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Starshark posted:Hey guys, what voice do you have in your head when you read LC posts? AMU's, obv.
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LibertyCat posted:As fun as this is I have stuff to do atm. See you tomorrow thread. *LolololololCat sticks fingers in ears at first sign he's not intelligent as he thought*
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LibertyCat posted:As fun as this is I have stuff to do atm. See you tomorrow thread. time to interact with my hot wife at the gym which is also a club, later losers
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Starshark posted:Hey guys, what voice do you have in your head when you read LC posts? My own 
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Apr 9, 2016 09:53
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I think the progress towards class warfare is actually closer than we thought. Turdbull keeps asking business to be agile so they can dodge the incoming rounds. It all makes sense now!
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Starshark posted:Hey guys, what voice do you have in your head when you read LC posts? An extremely thick and nasal nerd accent
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Apr 9, 2016 10:00
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Starshark posted:Hey guys, what voice do you have in your head when you read LC posts? Tony Martin does a great impression of a particular kind of drug addicts voice, a kind of weaselly nasal whining dumb fucker. I imagine all Young Liberal IPA libertarian types to talk that way though.
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I'm glad we agree on that point LibertyCat because I think that the below disagreement comes from a similar place.LibertyCat posted:This is a good example of the fundamental difference between our viewpoints. They took a risk. It went well for some, not others. It's no-ones fault that mining is no longer bringing in the big bucks. Life has risks. Who took a risk though? The people who took on HELP debt and 4 years on an engineering degree, or the government who lent out that HELP debt and enabled a citizen to opt out of the workforce for 4 years? Mining engineers were desired, and so wages were raised to encourage people to study in the field. The desired outcome was to produce more mining engineers. All those people who took on those degrees were doing exactly what the economy/government/mining companies wanted them to do. If every single party involved wants the outcome, why is the risk placed on the individual? The companies don't lose out because they didn't spend any money or time training those engineers. The universities don't lose out because they got paid regardless. The government might lose out if the person does not earn enough to trigger repayments, but they're now trying to get out of that risk. Why does the buck stop at the person who has the degree, and not the industry that encouraged that degree, or the universities that provided the degree, or the government that enabled the degree? If you want something you need to put in the work to get it, right? I agree with this completely. The fundamental difference in our viewpoints is not that responsibility is a bad thing or you should be entirely free from risks, but that ALL parties need to take responsibility and shoulder their share of the risks. If we as a society want a highly educated workforce then we need to put in the work and shoulder the risks inherent with having people take off several years to undertake that education. If we want a supply of the unemployed so business can more easily fill new positions then we need to support the unemployed. Etc. If we want things we need to actually do the stuff necessary to support those things. In this case the government took on the risk that HELP recipients will never be able to pay it back, and they need to own that, not look for ways to weasel out of their portion of the risk.
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LibertyCat posted:If the policy encourages more people to enter the workforce - isn't that a success?
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LibertyCat posted:In turn, how many of you are on Centrelink? I am since 2012 when I was made redundant and then shortly after got leukemia. FWIW, I had a shitload of transfusions that saved my life and I think your idea is horrendous garbage.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Engineer or IT worker?  Don't lump me in with LibertyCat! #notallengineers/itworkers ... well to be fair, there is usually a vocal minority making the rest of us look bad.
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what's that, a month before they asked who was on welfare
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Apr 9, 2016 11:18
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a helpful tip for all future welfare haters: nigh on everyone has some form of welfare if you hate that fact you definitely do
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The richer you are the bigger the benefits you get from the government in terms of actual dollars between negative gearing, CGT discount, private medical discount and reduced super taxation. Someone on centrelink getting 15k a year is a drop in the ocean compared to the massive massive benefits the rich draw from. Especially when you consider a lot of income is drawn from shares from big companies which are also propped up by massive government subsidies (diesel fuel rebate etc. etc. etc.) despite being hugely profitable. Most of that profit is then offshored screwing Australians out of even more money by tax avoidance. The rich take far far more from the system than the poor ever could. Hey Libertycat, based on our discussions and interactions what would you guess my field of study, earning power and employment status are?
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Genderblob Ponynomics/None/None
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Skellybones posted:Genderblob Ponynomics/None/None 
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Skellybones posted:Genderblob Ponynomics/None/None i resent that, i can get maybe 10k a year
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AgentF posted:An update on this. I've read correspondence betweeen the union and the employer and it looks like they are right on the case, specifically mentioning the fiance's mum as well as two other employees who are in the same situation, and insisting that they be instated as permanent. The language is very firm and legalese and indicates to me that they know what they're doing, which makes me happy. Fiance's mum looked through her work e-mails and hasn't found any that discuss permanency at all, as I suspected the promises of permanency were only ever made verbally. She is certain these conversations happened and is willing to sign a stat dec to this effect. She's surrounded by very supportive workmates and has a good case, so hopefully she will come out of this with her job, but either way I am happy that as much as possible is being done. Glad to hear it, it sounds good. The last thing I can think of is have the union or union rep or union lawyer spoken face to face or on the phone with your mum? It helps reassure people and be a comfort if they can put a face to a name doing the things. Thanks for the thought with the money, please donate it to Medecins Sans Frontieres
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LibertyCat should factor in that young adults are extremely easy to convince that they're making the right decision. Despite all warning in the media; HECS scam colleges still get students. Why? Because no matter how much logic you apply to a particular situation, Timmy Teenager still is curious enough to be convinced that pursuing a degree in Gaming or Animation or Fine Arts is a good idea but fields such as these only pay off for an extremely small amount of people who'd need the disposable income to gently caress off to America and do further study at CalArts or something. For the Majority of people they take up their hobby, realize there's no work, waste 4-8 years figuring it out and then heading back into the system to take up Nursing or Business, giving themselves more debt. The current education system absolutely will crush your dreams but it's designed so that it doesn't exactly warn you and makes it easy for education cabals to set up colleges with the sole purpose of convincing students that the job market isn't as brutal as it is.
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Negative gearing alone was like $14 billion last year.
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Ok LibertyCat, this is a serious question: what are you even doing here? I'd like an honest answer, it's an honest question. I can't imagine why someone like you would even bother with dregs like us, so there has to be a reason you're posting at all. Is there some badge you have to earn, or is it a project you have to do - if it's something like that, we could help you, just tell us what's required, and we can spit out whatever answers you need and job done. Cos otherwise, this is just going to drag on and I don't see what you get out of it. Are you working for a politician who needs some grabs for the election? Maybe we can help, Anidav's done some stuff in that regard, we've got experience. Or is it something more serious? Is your life a real bummer and you just want a laugh? How is that possible anyway, you think we're all loser welfare cheats? How could we be better company than the awesome people you live with day to day? Oh poo poo, are you going through a breakup? No I can't see that happening. Do you not have friends to talk about this stuff with? Just put us out of our misery and tell us, it's gotta be something more interesting than these "talking points". ewe2 fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Apr 9, 2016 |
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Starshark posted:Hey guys, what voice do you have in your head when you read LC posts? 
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Starshark posted:Hey guys, what voice do you have in your head when you read LC posts? A dial tone If y'all don't adopt "PissCat" I'm going to need a new user name
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Lizard Combatant posted:A dial tone Lizardy Combatant
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https://twitter.com/haydencooper/status/718748741902012418
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LOL what way to find out I'm blocked from Cliev's twitter. I must have forgotten that.
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BCR posted:Thanks for the thought with the money, please donate it to Medecins Sans Frontieres Done 
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Hey, my old high school made the news. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/8/cyber-bullying-earns-suspensions-more-50-students-/ quote:An Australian high school suspended more than 50 students Thursday for being involved in social media posts the principal described as abusive to other students.
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Just found out that my research centre is closing due to lack of Government funding. We spend 6 billion a year on general practice services a year. If you include the meds prescribed, tests ordered and referrals made - that number is multiple times larger. The fact that they don't want to know how that money is being spent both angers and saddens me. (That and also being out of a job in a couple of months with 20 other dedicated researchers)
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Four people have been evicted from the Western derby AFL match in Perth after displaying an anti-Muslim banner during Saturday night's game at Subiaco Oval. The spectators unfurled the "stop the mosques" banner and displayed it for a short time, before they were removed from the ground and handed over to police. A spokesman for the WA Football Commission confirmed the incident and said moves were underway to have the offenders banned from the ground. Last week, AFL boss Gillon McLachlan said he would not tolerate the game being used to vilify sections of the community after an anti-Muslim banner was unfurled during the Friday night match between Richmond and Collingwood at the MCG. After that incident a number of players, including West Coast's Nic Naitanui took to Twitter to condemned the banner. Following the latest incident, AFL spokesman Patrick Keane reiterated the league's stance in a tweet saying the anti-Islamic views did not in any way represent the game in any way. The United Patriots Front used Facebook to confirm the group's involvement. A spokesman said in a video post the group's members were "mobbed" by spectators and one was arrested after trying to stop another person taking the banner out of his hands. He said the member was hand-cuffed, but later issued a move-on notice and released. The banner was confiscated. Mosque banners at football seems to be a fascist meme.
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Anidav posted:Four people have been evicted from the Western derby AFL match in Perth after displaying an anti-Muslim banner during Saturday night's game at Subiaco Oval.  Muh free speech
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Isn't the Party for Freedom picketing some thing today in Sydney? For reference, these are the guys who got their poo poo taken (also a guy got hit with a pole) last week in Melbourne and THEN posted a victory video about it.
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This is going to end wellquote:It speaks volumes about the challenges facing the coal industry when most of the established players seek to exit while the value of their assets are depressed.
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The thing about libertarian arguments about markets and "risks" is that it ignores all the real-world fallout of what goes on in the meantime. Even if we accepted unquestioningly that nurses could easily earn what they're worth if they just choked back the supply for a while, and could coordinate that somehow, there would be consequences for people's health in the meantime. And the nurses would still have to earn a living somehow else in the meantime. People have to actually live their lives while all these risks and rational assessments are going on. If you want to treat the world like a drat video game where you can just minmax your way through everything, you need to at least account for the fact that it's got permadeath, and you can't just go "lol reroll" after making the wrong choices. If we want to have a human society where people can highly specialize instead of everyone having to be subsistence farmers, we need to have systems in place to keep our specialists alive even when they are not of immediate use. The reason libertarians or conservatives in general want people to choose profitable degrees instead of underwater basket cliche weaving isn't even because they want a better world or better society. They just want to keep their own bill down as much as possible, and cant look past that one myopic aspect of the world. They don't care what would happen if everyone did successfully predict the next boom and studied that, only to leave us with vast skill shortages elsewhere while their oversupply screws these graduates out of higher pay. They just assume they'll be fine, so why worry if overall society could be better. Just tell everyone else to work harder and figure it out themselves somehow, so they don't have to ever be bothered with worrying about it or paying a cent in taxes.
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Btw now that I'm all caught up, I gotta say this post was loving fantastic.
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'Family violence leave' seems like a really weird thing to request. People should be able to take leave when they're having trouble at home, but a special category for family violence is bizarre. Aside from appearing to normalise family violence, as if it's just like having to look after a sick kid or something, would anyone who is a victim of family violence be willing to use it? Isn't one of the main reason's it's so prevalent that people are unwilling to report it?
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I pushed for family violence leave to be in our EBA because it's better to have it and not need it, etc  It's a fact of life that there's going to be people in toxic relationships and if they have access to that sort of leave, they can take the time necessary to sort out their life that just seems a really weird loving hill to fight on, as though they needed to attack the ABC on SOMETHING, so might as well do that.
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