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^^^ I see Josuke 1's experience with the Wall Eyes didn't result in as elegant a merger as his namesake's. I have a possibly dumb question about Enya to someone a bit better acquainted with Japanese culture and folklore than I am. Is she sort of based on some well-known trope or stock character from Japanese folk stories, popular culture, etc? I ask because I've noticed other Japanese media use the idea of "old witch character as confidante/mentor and second-in-command to younger male antagonist" in a way similar to what JoJo does with Enya in Part 3 (the Twinrova witches in Zelda games come to mind immediately, but I'm sure there are other examples), but I don't think it's as much of a thing in Western pop culture. Is this just a coincidence, or is she maybe a reference to something I'm unaware of?
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Apr 11, 2016 16:51
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Just struck me as a vanilla old crone archetype more than anything. Evil, a little mysterious, knowledgeable and experienced due to her years. It's plenty present enough in the West though, especially in fairy tales. I'd consider anything like the antagonists of Rapunzel, Snow White or The Little Mermaid to fall under the same archetype as Enya does though different thanks to cultural gaps.
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Apr 11, 2016 16:58
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The old witch archetype is definitely a common one in the West as well, yes. Instead of regular old villainous witches, though, I guess I'm more interested in secondary characters with a sort of mother-son-type of relationship to a male main antagonist like Enya has with DIO, since it's that specific idea that (it seems to me) gets played with more in Japanese works than Western ones.
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Apr 11, 2016 17:10
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Forktoss posted:The old witch archetype is definitely a common one in the West as well, yes. Instead of regular old villainous witches, though, I guess I'm more interested in secondary characters with a sort of mother-son-type of relationship to a male main antagonist like Enya has with DIO, since it's that specific idea that (it seems to me) gets played with more in Japanese works than Western ones. Do you know of examples that predate SDC? It could be one of those tropes that JoJo invented.
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Apr 11, 2016 17:15
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Forktoss posted:The old witch archetype is definitely a common one in the West as well, yes. Instead of regular old villainous witches, though, I guess I'm more interested in secondary characters with a sort of mother-son-type of relationship to a male main antagonist like Enya has with DIO, since it's that specific idea that (it seems to me) gets played with more in Japanese works than Western ones. There are Western examples, like Grandmother Sengir from Magic: the Gathering.
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Apr 11, 2016 17:37
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Oh, that's interesting! Thank you, I'll look that up.hoobajoo posted:Do you know of examples that predate SDC? It could be one of those tropes that JoJo invented. I can't think of any, no, so it's entirely possible you're right. I'd be interested to hear if anyone can think of any other similar examples (before or after SDC), though.
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Apr 11, 2016 17:37
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The closest example I got that could def be have inspired by Stardust Crusaders is Kammy Koopa from some of the Mario RPGs where she's basically a Mom Advisor to Bowser's dumb rear end the entire time, soothing his ego and anger while trying to guide him, but also not realizing he's not all that smart or good at this.
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Apr 11, 2016 17:46
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I always did find it kind of interesting that Dio took her really seriously, and might have even gotten super into the Tarot and the occult because of her, even if he didn't really have any problems with offing her if he had to. How he interacts with other people depending on his interests at the time and how he segments them off into their own friend or acquaintance categories was always interesting to me. And yeah, she does feel like the really Western archetype of "old hag or crone who is wise and helpful" but also blended with the Vizier or court wizard archetype. It's cementing the royal imagery that Dio has going for himself.
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Apr 11, 2016 17:58
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I'm around chapter 40 something in SBR and I think I've seen like one stand, I mean like an actual proper stand with a form of its own and not just abilities, did Araki replace them? do people just have abilities now?
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Apr 11, 2016 20:09
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El Hefe posted:I'm around chapter 40 something in SBR and I think I've seen like one stand, I mean like an actual proper stand with a form of its own and not just abilities, did Araki replace them? do people just have abilities now? Part 7 features a lot more ability stands instead of punchghosts. There's only a handful of actual punchghosts, but I dunno, I don't mind the lack of them that much. Part 8 goes back to punchghosts though if you're worried that punchghosts are gone for good.
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Apr 11, 2016 20:10
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El Hefe posted:I'm around chapter 40 something in SBR and I think I've seen like one stand, I mean like an actual proper stand with a form of its own and not just abilities, did Araki replace them? do people just have abilities now? The punch ghosting is sparse, but when it does turn up it is worth the wait
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Apr 11, 2016 20:13
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I do like the punchghosts because their designs are usually really cool. Thinking about it there have been a few non-punchghost stands since way back because I don't remember Yukako having one back in part 4 for example.
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Apr 11, 2016 20:26
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Tusk Act IV, the culmination of Gyro's teachings and the ultimate expression of Super Spin! It's ... it's ...!
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Apr 11, 2016 20:28
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And one's just a giant padlock and such, yeah. There are some incredibly cool Stands coming up for you in SBR and once it gets rolling it's going to be really hard to pace yourself; SBR is often the favorite/second favorite arc people name with good reason. (it's actually my 3rd favorite sshhhh)
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Apr 11, 2016 20:28
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Ugh I don't pay attention to JoJo for a few days and I miss the chance to clown on some dipshit obsessed with the idea that Stardust Crusaders is bad
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Apr 11, 2016 20:28
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Okuyasu Nijimura posted:And one's just a giant padlock and such, yeah. It's A Mad Mad Mad Mad World As Written By Araki was such a can't-miss concept. And it 100% lives up to that potential 
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Apr 11, 2016 20:35
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2yEx7qJlE8
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Apr 11, 2016 20:36
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SBR is like getting invited to a party by an old friend and they don't tell you before hand it's going to be the sickest party you've ever seen
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Apr 11, 2016 20:40
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And then your old friend dies, their kid dies of a cold and you get crushed by a rock.
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Apr 11, 2016 20:41
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Josuke Higashikata posted:And then your old friend dies, their kid dies of a cold and you get crushed by a rock. Look if you feel good the next day that party wasn't sick, was it
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Apr 11, 2016 20:42
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Even Part 3 had ability only stands in Khnumm and Tenor Sax.
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Apr 11, 2016 20:42
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Never been to a party in real life where someone wasn't killed by the prez. hell yea
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Apr 11, 2016 20:43
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Never been to a party in real life where someone wasn't killed by the prez. Speaking of D4C, can you loving imagine if another, hosed up Obama fell from the sky and told the other to grab the napkin then ours disappeared Like during a press conference
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Apr 11, 2016 20:45
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Speaking of D4C, can you loving imagine if another, hosed up Obama fell from the sky and told the other to grab the napkin then ours disappeared Even just Obama slamming himself between a wall and a door and straightup disappearing would be loving impressive.
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Apr 11, 2016 20:47
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I always wondered what Enya would have been like sans flesh bud. I mean, given her son's winning personality I wouldn't exactly expect much but still. I'm one of the waiting-for-part8-to-finish losers, all I really know about it is that it is a gold mine of out-of-context panels.
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Apr 11, 2016 20:48
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I want Obama's final speech as president to begin with "Dojyaaa~n"
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Apr 11, 2016 20:49
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hoobajoo posted:I want Obama's final speech as president to begin with "Dojyaaa~n" And then Michelle absorbs the skeleton of Jesus
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Apr 11, 2016 20:51
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Yinlock posted:I always wondered what Enya would have been like sans flesh bud. I mean, given her son's winning personality I wouldn't exactly expect much but still. Her loyalty was sans flesh bud, Steely Dan only placed one in her at the start of his encounter as a means of killing her. Her devotion to DIO was genuine and freely given.
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Apr 11, 2016 20:51
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hoobajoo posted:I want Obama's final speech as president to begin with "Dojyaaa~n" Or Rasen Kaidan Kabuto Mushi Haikyou no machi Ichijiku no Taruto Kabuto Mushi Dolorosa e no michi Kabuto Mushi Tokuiten Giotto Einjeru Ajisai Kabuto Mushi Tokuiten Himitsu no kotei and then he just jumps into the window of the Oval Office and is never seen again as he floats off into space.
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Apr 11, 2016 20:55
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multijoe posted:Her loyalty was sans flesh bud, Steely Dan only placed one in her at the start of his encounter as a means of killing her. oh what a mean old lady 
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Apr 11, 2016 20:57
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Or JJBA: Eyes of Lenin
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Apr 11, 2016 20:57
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Tell him to go eat poo poo, Biden. Tell him yourself. Eat poo poo, rear end in a top hat! Fall off your horse!
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Apr 11, 2016 20:58
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 Instead of Love Train, it's D4C - Hope and Change.
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Apr 11, 2016 21:11
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「Ｃｈａｎｇｅｓ」 vs. 「Ｔｈｅ Ｗａｌｌ」
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Apr 11, 2016 21:15
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"Senator McConnell...why are you on a horse?"
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Apr 11, 2016 21:39
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This video helpfully reminded me that Part 7 is loving literature and one of the greatest pieces of media ever made.
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Apr 11, 2016 23:27
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El Hefe posted:I'm around chapter 40 something in SBR and I think I've seen like one stand, I mean like an actual proper stand with a form of its own and not just abilities, did Araki replace them? do people just have abilities now? I think you see hints of Sandman's stand in like the first or second chapter, no?
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Apr 12, 2016 00:00
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Moltrey posted:This video helpfully reminded me that Part 7 is loving literature and one of the greatest pieces of media ever made. The final stage of the race is possibly the greatest segment in all of JoJo's.
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I don't know if I ever felt a moment as intense as clicking to the next page and seeing the last enemy of SBR in a huge double page spread.
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