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FoolyCharged posted:The best part is that the game is pretending along with him. It would be nice to have some thug chatter mocking him. Or scarecrow for that matter. The militia are hired mercs and yet they just keep sucking these wierdo's dicks instead of whining about how dumb their bosses are like normal employees. This is why he's annoying instead of funny or interesting. You get the Poochy/Scrappy factor out of the little prick and everyone around him talking about how awesome he is when he doesn't cash any of the checks they write him. It's also why the Militia are so incredibly boring next to the colorful Actual Thugs who are used to needing Batman Insurance and other ridiculousness from being a professional mook in Gotham. Also I don't have a link, just a friend of mine when I was younger was super into comics and so I got to hear a lot about Jason Todd getting whacked with a crowbar because fans voted for him to die.
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Bruceski posted:Nah, it's Star City now. They rebranded in honor of And then he proceeded to embark on a time-travelling journey to get rid of Vandal Savage 
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NGDBSS posted:I'm guessing the results of this vote were a significant rebuke to the character? I can understand why - his identity seems to be so heavily telegraphed that Claude Chappe has been rolling in his grave, and his character arc has been in a near-constant state of claiming to win while losing. (Oracle's kidnapping is the only major exception here.) Have a link? Wikipedia covers it decently well: A Death in the Family.
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What kind of cutscene plays if the batmobile explodes while you're controlling it remotely? I mean, I get how from a gameplay point of view it's essentially a death sentence, but "story-wise", Batman could still save the day without it, right?
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Apr 11, 2016 20:20
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GimpInBlack posted:It would be interesting, I think, to experiment with a game that inverts that power curve: You start off the best Batman you can be, but every fight, every predator challenge, takes a little more out of you. An element of strategic gameplay would then be finding the most efficient way to deal with every encounter to minimize the stuff you lose access to, and possibly making difficult choices about what abilities you're willing to lose early on vs. what you hang on to as dearly as possible (though admittedly that would be a bear to design a UX for that isn't really jarring). That way by the end you're really feeling the fatigue and the punishment Batman has taken over the course of the game. Just have From Software make a Batman game and you're golden
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Be careful talking about who the Knight could be, but do remember that he is intended to be a mystery. A mystery with seemingly no possible suspects presented even now despite how many times batman widened the search of criminals in Gotham. Almost like he's avoiding the idea that this is a different kind of problem tied to him.
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Crabtree posted:Be careful talking about who the Knight could be, but do remember that he is intended to be a mystery. A mystery with seemingly no possible suspects presented even now despite how many times batman widened the search of criminals in Gotham. Almost like he's avoiding the idea that this is a different kind of problem tied to him. I don't understand the mystery of the Knight's identity. I played the earlier Arkham Games, so I know about Batman's villains as they're portrayed there, but it's pretty obvious that it's not the Riddler or Two-face or any of the villains I've seen in the earlier games. But I haven't read any of the comic books, so all this yammering on about oh who could this mysterious person be is just meaningless to me. Whoever it is it's going to be some guy I've never heard of that I'm sure is going to be either super significant or painfully obvious to anyone who's read batman comics, but to me it's just going to be some name. I mean I get that the game can't really win with this, if they had a foreshadowing cutscene in the prologue or something then it would be super obvious that the Knight is that prologue cutscene kid whose dad Batman ran over with his
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Crabtree posted:Be careful talking about who the Knight could be, but do remember that he is intended to be a mystery. A mystery with seemingly no possible suspects presented even now despite how many times batman widened the search of criminals in Gotham. Almost like he's avoiding the idea that this is a different kind of problem tied to him. The problem with all this foreshadowing is that it seems to indicate some individuals that a potential player wouldn't know about if they didn't read batman comics who'll look at a potential reveal and go "Great, and who's that guy?" and rightly at that. Basically the Arkham Knight is a bad villain, badly written and also badly chosen for this game.
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There's also the part where he's another villain's errand boy to the point of stamping his feet and going 'BUT SCCCAAAARRECROWWW! I could've had my VENNNNNNNGEANNNNNCE!' but still backing off when told.
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WFGuy posted:Also, he goes with them to 'secure' it, but leaves as soon as Batman actually appears. If this was competently written I'd think he was actually terrified of Batman and trying to hide it. Honestly, I would have adored it if he interrupted your Fear Takedown on the second or third henchman, just putting himself in-between, and if their grapple ended with one of the Brutes pulling Batman off and telling the Knight to book it "per your orders, sir" or something like that. It's basically impossible to avoid the really weird, anticlimactic feeling of this not-a-boss-fight. Come to think of it, why didn't the Knight have his dudes distract Batman while he went to smash the control computer? One would think that this would have prevented Batman from using the controls for the defensive shield, which the Knight knew that Batman was there to do. Or if he knows Batman's tactics so well, why didn't he bring dudes with guns to cover all possible vents and grates? Now, I know that this is mostly griping about small stuff, but at this point the game really has ran out of its quota for handwaving ahit away.
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A series of unfortunate plot decisions.
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Mzbundifund posted:I mean I get that the game can't really win with this, if they had a foreshadowing cutscene in the prologue or something then it would be super obvious that the Knight is that prologue cutscene kid whose dad Batman ran over with his Funny you should mention that... Actually if this is the same char that everyone in yammering about it is the kid that tried to steal the bat-mobile's tires.
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(In reply to how the widening net of criminals is foreshadowing that batman knows the answer and is reluctant to act on it) Plus it isn't foreshadowing. People saying things like that are using hindsight to see something expressed that the text is not expressing, and will not be there for people who don't read batman comics and are playing for the first time. Nothing shows that he even has a hunch, certainly one he's not acting on. Hemingway To Go! fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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PhazonLink posted:Also Bats is an rear end in a top hat. "Cure my Rogues Gallery?!? Pffff." In most settings, including this one, Wayne enterprises does exactly this to the broadest extent possible that still gives players the opportunity to have a game. The hospital in AC was a Wayne setup, remember. Fries isn't someone who would respond very well to a wealthy philanthropic businessman offering to set up a lab for him. Crabtree posted:Be careful talking about who the Knight could be, but do remember that he is intended to be a mystery. A mystery with seemingly no possible suspects presented even now despite how many times batman widened the search of criminals in Gotham. Almost like he's avoiding the idea that this is a different kind of problem tied to him.
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I assume it's going to be Warden Quincy.
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Maybe it's Nightwing and this whole thing is a giant sting operation? 
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It's gonna be the Joker. Because, come on, it's an Arkham game, the villain is the Joker. The ultimate plot twist.
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Alexeythegreat posted:It's gonna be the Joker. While we try to come up with the worst plot ideas: He's an AI created by mixing the thoughts of all of Batmans enemies. You see, that's why they needed to work together. Seriously though, he's kinda pathetic and doesn't really deserve being the title of the game. Batman: Scarecrows Henchman #73
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Remember that one black guy at the beginning of Arkham City who got his rear end kicked just like Ryder did? Yeah, that's right, you forgot all about him didn't you motherfucker?
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berryjon posted:Maybe it's Nightwing and this whole thing is a giant sting operation? I could believe Robin. Bats is running around with Nightwing, treating him as an equal, while his actual sidekick is stuck being an errand-boy. Tries to make a threat that means Bruce will HAVE to ask him for help, and it's not working out.
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These APCs have way too much loving health.
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I just can't help being reminded that this is all taking place in the DC Universe. I know, I know, Arkham's it's own little side-continuity, but "literal army of tanks occupies an American city" is so far out of Batman's bailiwick it seems like exactly the sort of reason he's friends with demigods and warrior-princesses and space cops and superspeedsters.
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I prefer to believe the Knight is actually Commissioner Gordon. Now that's a sting operation.RareAcumen posted:These APCs have way too much loving health. They take like 4x damage once all of their escorts are destroyed. Ghost of Starman posted:I just can't help being reminded that this is all taking place in the DC Universe. I know, I know, Arkham's it's own little side-continuity, but "literal army of tanks occupies an American city" is so far out of Batman's bailiwick it seems like exactly the sort of reason he's friends with demigods and warrior-princesses and space cops and superspeedsters. It's a weak explanation, but the road bombs are the reason there hasn't been outside intervention. Despite appearances, they're not supposed to be landmines- they each have a blast radius of a couple blocks. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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I think the correct choice of options here is everybody shut the gently caress up about who the Arkham Knight is. Speculation, foreknowledge, who cares? This isn't the games thread, there hasn't been anything outside of "ALFRED CAST YOUR NET WIDER" to implicate anybody, and Scruffy hasn't outright said "by the way the Arkham Knight is actually the non-Joker Tyler Durden." So instead of dragging out a conversation between people who obviously do, and other people who obviously do NOT, know who the Arkham Knight is, why don't we couch this discussion on whether or not the Arkham Knight is a good character until the inevitable thread post-mortem, much like the female-characters-being-portrayed-halfway-well conversation?
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Discendo Vox posted:It's a weak explanation, but the road bombs are the reason there hasn't been outside intervention. Despite appearances, they're not supposed to be landmines- they each have a blast radius of a couple blocks. It's interesting though - a couple videos ago while Scruffy was flying around, we could see a bridge leading from Founders Island to the mainland - and there are a lot of cops on the other end of the bridge, but the bridge itself is raised and a non-access point. This isn't an invasion of the whole of Gotham, it's just the equivalent of Manhattan under attack while everything on the other sides of the Hudson River is secure.
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Alexeythegreat posted:And then he proceeded to embark on a time-travelling journey to get rid of Vandal Savage What, again? Rip Hunter, Time Master already tried in his own solo miniseries (which was pretty well-written!). Went all the way back to caveman times. Anyway, as far as Superman not helping: I'd hand-wave it by saying he needs to push a comet out of the way of hitting earth right now and Diana's on tour in Hades fighting off undead Greek warriors. Everyone else is also having a bad day.
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The idea of Batman coming up with a plan to drive his villains into bankruptcy so that they can't terrorize Gotham for a while sounds pretty cool, actually. I think there was something like that in The Long Halloween.
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That's something that always surprises me: How quickly and effectively the villains in these games get the capital together to go on expensive lunatic binges or eccentric heists.
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Lotish posted:That's something that always surprises me: How quickly and effectively the villains in these games get the capital together to go on expensive lunatic binges or eccentric heists. They do regular, boring crime so they can do fun, crazy crime later.
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Penguin seems to have pretty well for himself by being a nice, quiet gun runner in this game, until he got too big and Nightwing noticed. But then I think of the Penguin from The Batman or similar cartoon outings and I realize how much I wish some of that fun-loving silliness was on display here. My kids found it on Netflix recently, and my favorite episode of that show so far, I think, was the one where Penguin watches an old heist movie a la Ocean's Eleven and decides to make a team with Killer Croc, Killer Moth, Firefly and Ragdoll to commit a super heist. It doesn't go anything like he plans, because he's just a fat, delusional dork. That's kind of how I'd expect it normally goes for a lot of these guys, but plot demands that villains make comebacks and have enough power to pose a threat, so they are improbably successful off screen so they can be beaten by the hero.
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berryjon posted:It's interesting though - a couple videos ago while Scruffy was flying around, we could see a bridge leading from Founders Island to the mainland - and there are a lot of cops on the other end of the bridge, but the bridge itself is raised and a non-access point. This isn't an invasion of the whole of Gotham, it's just the equivalent of Manhattan under attack while everything on the other sides of the Hudson River is secure. Which, still, you'd think the US military would have a thing or two to say about an armed occupation on American soil. ...I may be forgetting, but I feel like the only governmental response we've heard about so far was the evacuation at the very beginning - and even that seemed to be solely at the city government level.
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So...what's stopping Bruce from disabling all the roadside bombs and the Justice League dropping in like the wrath of god to clean up? I mean 'Scarecrow is going to gas the entire East Coast' seems like the sort of thing that you call in an assist for. I mean I realise there'd be no game otherwise, but dang.Hobgoblin2099 posted:The idea of Batman coming up with a plan to drive his villains into bankruptcy so that they can't terrorize Gotham for a while sounds pretty cool, actually. He actually had some massively elaborate plan to take over all organised crime in Gotham in the comics, but he ultimately decided against using it. Unfortunately, due to bad writing, Spoiler (who Bruce had just fired from being Robin for finely-veiled reasons that ultimately were trying to get Tim back as Robin) decided to try and implement the plan. Unfortunately, Step #1 involved Matches Malone being in the right place at the right time. Matches Malone, who is Batman's cover identity for infiltrating the Gotham underworld - who he hadn't actually told Spoiler was his cover identity. Needless to say, things went...poorly.
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You are awful at spoiler context and should just wipe that post clean and instead talk about the minutae of that plot arc in the Arkham Knight Games thread
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death .cab for qt posted:You are awful at spoiler context and should just wipe that post clean and instead talk about the minutae of that plot arc in the Arkham Knight Games thread A good pun.
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Yvonmukluk posted:So...what's stopping Bruce from disabling all the roadside bombs and the Justice League dropping in like the wrath of god to clean up? Dammit, Clark, just because I'm turning into Joker and alienating my allies doesn't mean I didn't have everything under control. 
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The supposed reason he doesn't let the Justice League show up in Gotham is he's scared their villains will follow. Joker/Two-Face/Riddler/Croc/Penguin aren't all that destructive to be honest. But Bruce is scared that if Superman starts working in his city things like Brainiac or Doomsday might actually also show up. It's not logical but a lot of things about Batman aren't logical because he's literally a small child scared of guns dressing up as a bat because he watched his parents get shot. The Justice League do sometimes help out but they've been told they need to do it as if they don't have powers, so that people with powers don't show up that need them to stop them. Basically Batman is scared that if he brings in the Justice League then villains that need the Justice League members to solve will actually show up in Gotham and Batman hates the idea of a villain in his city he needs help to stop. It sort of falls apart in this case but the bombs are meant to be the reason nobody is helping out, funnily enough I don't think you can get all the bombs until nearly the end of the game.
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You know for a while watching this LP you had me fooled, Scruffy. You being so good at those races made me think "maybe I was just bad at Batmobile stuff all along and the game isn't that annoying with it" but then the APC chase (& Firefly) brought it all back. Man, gently caress Founders Island and every drat chase in this game. death .cab for qt posted:You are awful at spoiler context and should just wipe that post clean and instead talk about the minutae of that plot arc in the Arkham Knight Games thread Lookit this guy trying to stop goons from spoiling things in an LP thread. You need to at least purchase the Freeflow Mod Takedown upgrade before trying that.
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death .cab for qt posted:So instead of dragging out a conversation between people who obviously do, and other people who obviously do NOT, know who the Arkham Knight is, why don't we couch this discussion on whether or not the Arkham Knight is a good character until the inevitable thread post-mortem, much like the female-characters-being-portrayed-halfway-well conversation? I think the fact that the game keeps telling us what a hyper competent bad rear end he is, while repeatedly showing us that he's just a loser that's full of hot air and abandons his men at the first sign of batman is a pretty good sign that he is a terrible character and villain regardless of who the hell he is. Think about how many times scruffy has seen the knight. Now think about how many times the knight has delivered a villain monologue straight out of a teenager's idea of deep. Now think about how many times the knight flees once batman turns things into a combat encounter. He has done all of these things for the vast majority of his appearances and given that the map is fully open at this point, that would seem to be most of his appearances in game. And all the while the game is telling us that he is a super mean dude and only he was able to capture oracle and... His portrayal is inconsistent and not entertaining, offensive or threatening in the slightest. I don't care who he winds up as because he is bad and who he is won't change that he is bad. e: Also he is clearly alfred's evil twin that is also the joker because of joker blood. FoolyCharged fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Apr 12, 2016 |
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