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While I think Irenicus' best line is "Do you cling to the past or can you see through the pain?" for basically encapsulating the series as a whole, my favorite lines of his have to be this one: "I... I do not remember your love, Ellesime. I have tried. I have tried to recreate it, to spark it anew in my memory, but it is gone... a hollow, dead thing. For years, I clung to the memory of it. Then the memory of the memory. And then nothing. The Seldarine took that from me, too! I look upon you and feel nothing. I remember nothing but you turning your back on me, along with all the others. Once my thirst for power was everything. And now I hunger only for revenge - and I WILL HAVE IT!" David Warner just knocked these lines out of the park.
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Apr 13, 2016 13:55
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There's no restocking, and yeah Arrows of Detonation and Dispelling in particular are in short supply.
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Milky Moor posted:While I think Irenicus' best line is "Do you cling to the past or can you see through the pain?" for basically encapsulating the series as a whole, my favorite lines of his have to be this one: Oh, absolutely. I especially love the part I highlighted. I just find the phrase very poetic, it creates a pretty haunting image of just how much of a broken man Irenicus actually is. But my absolute favorite part is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdy-k_qLdQg&t=33s. It's not often that you have a villain announce that he only cares for power and it actually makes him more emphatic. Sadly, Ellesime's part is not nearly as good. I find the reveal that they would actually have allowed him back in if he had used his mortal years to redeem himself pretty interesting, though that is the kind of thing you might just want to tell someone, but the rest of dialog is pretty generic when it comes to good guy speeches.
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I just killed Yxunomei and thought that's a good time to write something about the classes I've been using for this IWD:EE playthrough in case anyone cares: Blackguard: I really like this kit, but there are a lot of Undead early on that don't give a gently caress about most of its special abilities. A Blackguard can technically turn some them, I guess, but even my Cleric could only successfully turn the weaker ones most of the time. Dark Moon Monk: Monks of all kinds suck for a long time, although the Dark Moon one is a bit less of a liability than the regular one at least. IWD takes forever (until the halfway point of Dragon's Eye) to give you a face item Monks can use, too, so crits are an issue. As a result I've mostly had the Monk use throwing daggers and kept her away from melee. Dragon's Eye had some decent loot for her, though, and her AC is not completely terrible anymore, so things are looking up. Dragon Disciple: The Breath Weapon doesn't do enough damage, it falls off really quickly. Apart from that, losing spell slots isn't worth it, but it's also not a total deal-breaker since Sorcerers still get enough. So, not unplayable by any means, but the bonuses also aren't fun/relevant enough to take one. Unless it's for some gimmicky build that makes regular use of the kit's fire immunity, but it'll take a long time to get there. Fighter/Illusionist/Thief: A cheat character because Gnomes usually don't get to triple-class, but the extra spell has rarely come up. Also, IWD specialists lose two schools, so this guy doesn't get Abjuration, which might be a problem down the line. Anyway, he's been surprisingly good. Mirror Image has a longer duration in this, which helps a lot, and Sneak Attack instead of Backstab is also an overall buff especially in IWD which is usually less about eliminating one key enemy quickly. Being only 1/3 Thief has never been an issue wrt traps and locks either, and I think he might reach Mage level 7 just in time to be able to use Stoneskin as soon as the game finally hands you a scroll of it. Priest of Talos: Lightning Bolt is really good in IWD. I've only remembered that the Priest has it half the times it would have been relevant, and even so it's still been very helpful. Storm Shell kinda hasn't come up at all so far, though. Totemic Druid: The spirit summons are good but will often bounce off of things that need magical weapons to hit. Still, a lot better than the alternative. Druids in IWD in general are a bit less lovely early on than in BG because they get some actually helpful spells at low levels, but IWD definitely gives with one hand and takes away with another. Some spells are just outright missing (no Defensive Harmony for Druids in this), some aren't as good (Insect Plague is an AoE enemies can escape from and isn't party-friendly). e: I also like that you can pick what summon you want. I don't think that was possible in the non-EE versions, and they do all have their niches. Wizard Styles fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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e X posted:Oh, absolutely. I especially love the part I highlighted. I just find the phrase very poetic, it creates a pretty haunting image of just how much of a broken man Irenicus actually is. But my absolute favorite part is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdy-k_qLdQg&t=33s. It's not often that you have a villain announce that he only cares for power and it actually makes him more emphatic. Absolutely. Memory of the memory is such a powerful line and it is one that's stuck with me, and one that tends to show up in my own writing as a consequence, time and time again. Irenicus is a great tragic character, really, which is made all the more apparent by the fact that all he had to do was try to be a good person - but he couldn't. And that, of course, raises the point that maybe he never could have honestly been able to, given what was done to him. I think Ellesime's lines are weakened by Kath Soucie. She's great, don't get me wrong, but she's one of those talents whose voice is so distinctive that it's too recognizable. I guess it's a rough line to walk, to have a distinctive voice but one that isn't too recognizable that it feels strange. It's kind of like Steven Blum, in that sense.
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Apr 13, 2016 14:46
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I screwed up a proficiency is there a good mod to fix this?
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Apr 13, 2016 14:50
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does shadowkeeper/eekeeper still work? because that's what I always used to customize npc proficiencies
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Milky Moor posted:I think Ellesime's lines are weakened by Kath Soucie. She's great, don't get me wrong, but she's one of those talents whose voice is so distinctive that it's too recognizable. And David Warner isn't? 
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Hollismason posted:I screwed up a proficiency is there a good mod to fix this? Use eekeeper. It's a save editor with a pretty easy interfaces that let's you edit your characters.
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Wizard Styles posted:Shouldn't Dynaheir's level more or less match the PC's at least when she's first picked up? No, not if she was previously recruited, I killed her off at the gnoll stronghold so when she returned from the dead, she was level 4. I couldn't find Baeloth at all, so Edwin seemed to be the only choice. I just like to think my PC did something devious to him to ensure that breaking his promise of a year of service would have immediate and dire consequences. Also, Not Jon Irenicus isn't fooling anyone. I find him annoying because all he does is "HELLO, I AM NOT JON IRENICUS, HONEST I'M NOT. I WILL NOW FORESHADOW THE GAME YOU PLAYED 16 YEARS AGO." Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:And David Warner isn't? He walks the right side of that line. It's like, I immediately recognise Shohreh Aghdashloo but her voice doesn't take me out of things like Kath Soucie or Steven Blum's growly voice does.
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e X posted:Use eekeeper. It's a save editor with a pretty easy interfaces that let's you edit your characters. Thanks a bunch now I can get rid of some lovely proficiencies.
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So, my party is chugging along nicely. I'm gradually remembering stuff from when I played years ago. I'm in the process of picking up magic weapons for all my characters. The one i'm currently stuck on is Minsc. I know there are a few magical 2H Swords around - I specifically remember the very strong (+4 maybe?) sword that gives you free movement, spiders something and the one that has made Brage go nuts , but i'm really looking for something I can get now, realistically a +1. Anyone able to point me in the right direction? Spoilers are probably unnecessary, but just in case.
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Rahzmataz posted:So, my party is chugging along nicely. I'm gradually remembering stuff from when I played years ago. I'm in the process of picking up magic weapons for all my characters. The one i'm currently stuck on is Minsc. I know there are a few magical 2H Swords around - I specifically remember the very strong (+4 maybe?) sword that gives you free movement, spiders something and the one that has made Brage go nuts , but i'm really looking for something I can get now, realistically a +1. Anyone able to point me in the right direction? Yeah there's a plain ol +1 Two-handed sword on this map, held by some scrub-easy half-ogre or whatever named Arghain. Paste him and it's yours. If you don't recognize the map, it's the wilderness area north-east of Nashkel.
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Mzbundifund posted:Yeah there's a plain ol +1 Two-handed sword on this map, held by some scrub-easy half-ogre or whatever named Arghain. Paste him and it's yours. Perfect! I knew there was one around somewhere, I just couldn't for the life of me remember where. That should tide him over for now. Cheers!
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I just found the Two-Hander +3 in Durlag's and its glorious. Although right now I'm fighting so many loving ghouls that I'm still using Spider's Bane on Minsc as a kick rear end tag-team with my Kensai and the ring of Free Action.fong posted:Fighter 9->Druid multiclass is a really good combo the whole way through the game tbh. Fighter for BG1 is good, you hit druid level 10 and get your fighter levels back in BG2 almost right out the gate, bring the best mid-BG2 summons and have great tanking ability through BG2 with Ironskins, then late game you've got Nature's Beauty which is the best and most reliable crowd control for high level poo poo. Other than mage combos, fighter->druid is my favourite PC to use. This sounds like a really fun CHARNAME build. I might plump for this in my SOD playthrough as my other game (^^^) is on my iPad and I don't seem to be able to get the expansion on there yet. A fighter starts SOD at level 7 right? So I can stomp around as a scimitars fighter for a couple of levels and then dual? Squibsy fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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In BG2, I handed Minsc the Silver Blade and he went from a good melee fighter to a loving murder machine.
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fong posted:Fighter 9->Druid multiclass is a really good combo the whole way through the game tbh. Fighter for BG1 is good, you hit druid level 10 and get your fighter levels back in BG2 almost right out the gate, bring the best mid-BG2 summons and have great tanking ability through BG2 with Ironskins, then late game you've got Nature's Beauty which is the best and most reliable crowd control for high level poo poo. Other than mage combos, fighter->druid is my favourite PC to use. I've never Fighter-> Druid'ed before, do you have to respect druid weapon restrictions after you get your fighter levels back or can you go nuts? e X posted:In BG2, I handed Minsc the Silver Blade and he went from a good melee fighter to a loving murder machine. This is the correct choice indeed.
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Mzbundifund posted:I've never Fighter-> Druid'ed before, do you have to respect druid weapon restrictions after you get your fighter levels back or can you go nuts? I assume you have the Druid restrictions at that point, yes.
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Apr 13, 2016 17:32
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Yes, you are permanently stuck with druid weapons just like Jaheira. Invest points in scimitars.
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Milky Moor posted:While I think Irenicus' best line is "Do you cling to the past or can you see through the pain?" for basically encapsulating the series as a whole, my favorite lines of his have to be this one: Just seconding the love for this bit, and all things Warnerenicus really. I'd never played an RPG before, when I saw a review of BG2 and thought it sounded LOTRish enough to request as a Christmas present. His first lines totally sold me on the game, but there are some really fabulous bits of writing in there too, like the above quote. I was watching a Making of Oblivion video the other day that had a section on the voice acting and Terrence Stamp was trying to make sense of some guff he'd been sent a script for the previous night, and it just didn't come together, whereas the combination of Warner and the writing made all the Irenicus bits pure alchemy. (I'm not slagging Oblivion really, but the particular bit featured was very cringey writing)
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Woolie Wool posted:Yes, you are permanently stuck with druid weapons just like Jaheira. Invest points in scimitars. e: This was pre-EE, so no Wakizashis/Ninja-tos available, and weaker Grand Mastery meaning spreading out proficiency points was not much of an issue. Wizard Styles fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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Apr 13, 2016 18:38
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What level should I expect to be finishing SOD as a newly created fighter in the expansion?
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9 or 10. Fighters need to actually reach the cap to get their last level (which does next to nothing for them) and I got there just before the final battle with an imported character, playing with Insane difficulty enemy numbers. Berserker (9) -> Druid (10) needs less than 400k XP, though, you'll definitely get that.
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So, I had an odd encounter with Drizz't. I was wandering along and saw a Gnoll, pulled back, and it walked away and started attacking Drizz't. He didn't fight back, so I just waited around, and after a few minutes they killed him. I chopped them all up, now i'm trying to work out what to do with his loot. Minsc has his chain, and I think i'm gonna give one of his Scimitars to Jaheira. Not sure about the other one, I might have to sell it. With that, though, is it worth getting the Dagger of Venom for J?
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I started my latest BG1 run before SoD and not even planning around it, aiming for a Berserker(9)->Cleric. Well, I realized I didn't want to spend all of SoD as a wimp and just stuck to Berserker throughout, so I guess I'll just use EEKeeper to set my MC back to level 9 and Dual once I continue into BG2. Not any time for that yet, now that DS3 is out!
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Acaila posted:Just seconding the love for this bit, and all things Warnerenicus really. I'd never played an RPG before, when I saw a review of BG2 and thought it sounded LOTRish enough to request as a Christmas present. His first lines totally sold me on the game, but there are some really fabulous bits of writing in there too, like the above quote. I was watching a Making of Oblivion video the other day that had a section on the voice acting and Terrence Stamp was trying to make sense of some guff he'd been sent a script for the previous night, and it just didn't come together, whereas the combination of Warner and the writing made all the Irenicus bits pure alchemy. (I'm not slagging Oblivion really, but the particular bit featured was very cringey writing) It is completely fine to hate on the writing for Oblivion and Skyrim, if only because it tends to not be all that good. At least when spoken. It has some great ideas but never quite hits the mark. And I say that as an absolutely terrible writer.
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I liked Oblivion's writing when it didn't take itself seriously, which luckily was most of the time. But the majority of the more serious bits were definitely cringeworthy.Rahzmataz posted:So, I had an odd encounter with Drizz't. I was wandering along and saw a Gnoll, pulled back, and it walked away and started attacking Drizz't. He didn't fight back, so I just waited around, and after a few minutes they killed him. I chopped them all up, now i'm trying to work out what to do with his loot. Minsc has his chain, and I think i'm gonna give one of his Scimitars to Jaheira. Not sure about the other one, I might have to sell it. What proficiencies does she have, anyway? There's an okay Club in the EE, too, although not as good as the Dagger.
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Guess I'll consult the thread again: When you come to the coalition camp, and you head into the woods near it, where can you find the cure for the disease in the camp? Edit: vvv Ah, the problem wasn't the location on the map, but that I was looking on the wrong dang map. It is located not in the main one, but the eastern forest. evilmiera fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Apr 13, 2016 |
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evilmiera posted:Guess I'll consult the thread again: When you come to the coalition camp, and you head into the woods near it, where can you find the cure for the disease in the camp? There's a weird tree in the center of the area, IIRC
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I may have found a bug in SoD as I got an achievement for rescuing all missing citizens in the forest when in reality I just smashed some statues to bits.
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gschmidl posted:I may have found a bug in SoD as I got an achievement for rescuing all missing citizens in the forest when in reality I just smashed some statues to bits. 
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Rahzmataz posted:So, I had an odd encounter with Drizz't. I was wandering along and saw a Gnoll, pulled back, and it walked away and started attacking Drizz't. He didn't fight back, so I just waited around, and after a few minutes they killed him. I chopped them all up, now i'm trying to work out what to do with his loot. Minsc has his chain, and I think i'm gonna give one of his Scimitars to Jaheira. Not sure about the other one, I might have to sell it. Doesn't bringing Drizzt's gear into BG2 cause you to get in trouble later, even if you didn't kill him yourself?
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Okay, How do I get to Urlags Beard. I'm I'm chapter 5
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Re. achievements, I ended up getting the "get a stat to 25" achievement....because of the story mode bug! Have just loaded up a new BG2 multiplayer game tonight to try out some new classes. Never actually rolled up a paladin before.
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Hollismason posted:Okay, How do I get to Urlags Beard. I'm I'm chapter 5
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Wizard Styles posted:Travel north from the bridge map. Thanks cannot find this place at all.
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Is there any disparity between the Steam versions of these games and GOG versions? I've already got the Steam version of BG1/2, but I probably don't want to be in a scenario like with some games where the GOG version gets more support and the steam version languishes.
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There's a distinction between the original games (available on GOG) and the EE (available on Steam and, confusingly, on GOG)
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