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Sedisp: Jun 20, 2012

Atheist Sunglasses posted:

not clicking

its safe for work

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:25

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Damn Dirty Ape: Jan 23, 2015; I love you Dr. Zaius

ManofManyAliases posted:

Under UCC 2-207, it simply requires that the end user is made aware of the terms before agreeing to them. And you're analogy is not 100% accurate either in that we're discussing commercial law. In current common law, it is up to the court to decide which is more applicable, StepSaver v Arizona Retail or the ProCD decision. There's no clear-cut decision either way.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:26

ideate: Aug 20, 2002

ManofManyAliases posted:

Under UCC 2-207, it simply requires that the end user is made aware of the terms before agreeing to them. And you're analogy is not 100% accurate either in that we're discussing commercial law. In current common law, it is up to the court to decide which is more applicable, StepSaver v Arizona Retail or the ProCD decision. There's no clear-cut decision either way.

if you out yourself before derek does we'll like you better

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:27

Beet Wagon: Oct 19, 2015

Colostomy Bag posted:

Can you give us some concept art?

I call him Kevin, because I think he looks a little bit like a young Kevin Spacey... except all screamin' in pain from something terrible happening to him.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:27

Xaerael: Aug 25, 2010; Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Atheist Sunglasses posted:

not clicking

It's not as bad as you'd expect. It's quite witty, actually.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:27

A Neurotic Jew: Feb 17, 2012; by exmarx

ManofManyAliases posted:

Under UCC 2-207, it simply requires that the end user is made aware of the terms before agreeing to them. And you're analogy is not 100% accurate either in that we're discussing commercial law. In current common law, it is up to the court to decide which is more applicable, StepSaver v Arizona Retail or the ProCD decision. There's no clear-cut decision either way.

Did Sandi mass email this or do you guys have like a LotusNotes where you pool generic responses?

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:28

Ponzi: Feb 21, 2016; DEPORTED FROM FLAVOR TOWN

ICSA 67 LOSER; Fun Shoe

Xaerael posted:

Shut up, Croberts.

Sounds more like Ortwin to me.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:28

JainDoh: Nov 5, 2002

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

Also Sandi's listed her weight at 100 lbs, which if true gives her a BMI of 16.1

Stop stealing Sandi's food Ben, you're not doing either of you a favor

I don't know poo poo about Sandi's health or diet but I do know druggies. She looks like a stimulant abuser who's had some work done. Fits her personality like a glove, too.

I'd guess adderall or something similar, via "legit" Rx. Keep the weight down for her acting career, so that she can eat krispy kremes without worrying, and taunt those who cant.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:28

Samizdata: May 14, 2007

Sedisp posted:

Secret Smartler is a social deduction game where 5-10 people try to figure out who is trying to ruin the Best drat Space Sim Ever.

Ooooooh, so Mafia, but with Goons and Backers and you have to kill the prophet?

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:29

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

ManofManyAliases posted:

Under UCC 2-207, it simply requires that the end user is made aware of the terms before agreeing to them. And you're analogy is not 100% accurate either in that we're discussing commercial law. In current common law, it is up to the court to decide which is more applicable, StepSaver v Arizona Retail or the ProCD decision. There's no clear-cut decision either way.

Sure is handy that US law governs the entire world I guess, especially when we're talking about a company who's primary development now happens in the UK and Germany.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:29

orcinus: Feb 25, 2016; Fun Shoe

Samizdata posted:

Okay, I kinda lied with my "no issues dual monitor with Nvidia" line. I do have ONE moderately annoying issue with my rig. My main screen is a 31" Sony Bravia connected via HDMI. My second monitor is a 19" Acer via DVI (sometime I will figure out WHY I can NEVER remember DVI).

When my machine boots, none of the POST data shows up on the main screen, only the DVI monitor (which wouldn't half suck if I only had the HDMI monitor). Once Windows gets mostly booted (about half way through the loading screen), the second monitor goes black and everything moves to the main monitor. Once I log in, the secondary screen comes up.

Yeah, that's the same �mechanism� at play.
Pre-login screen, at the login screen and post login screen are three different drivers, and your graphics card gets initialized before each one. Some of them are... Fucky in some driver releases. Some of them are Microsoft's fuckyness, some of them are Nvidia/ATI fuckyness, some of them are interactions.

Bottom line is - it can work perfectly fine at the desktop, in games, 3D accelerated apps, but be hosed up at the login screen init or before it.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:30

beep_boop: Feb 2, 2016

Tippis posted:

Too small.

omg so much fidelity

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:31

Mirificus: Oct 29, 2004; Kings need not raise their voices to be heard

What is the value of a ship?

Grand Admiral - $2500+

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6546803/#Comment_6546803

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/comment/6546913/#Comment_6546913

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:32

ewe2: Jul 1, 2009

Scruffpuff posted:

I like the "I don't mind the wait" mentality, which is a double-edged stimperial dildo of a comment implying the following:

- Even though I'm just one backer in an ocean of backers, I personally don't mind "the wait" and am therefore a better person than the backers who do mind because I am more patient and understanding.
- The game, regardless of promises, scale, progress, and all available evidence to the contrary, is absolutely going to release, and it's just an issue of time, which is why I don't mind "the wait".

Those two implications are at the heart of the "you modern kids want everything NOW" faux-maturity chest thumping argument common among the cultists. They attempt to present themselves as educated people presenting sage advice about understanding how long game development should take, and what the progress should look like. The reality has always been far simpler: they want to replace their vapid lives with Space Second Life, and they're willfully choosing to ignore reality in exchange for putting faith in a very obvious failure. There is some sunk cost fallacy here to be sure, but I don't think it's only about the money. To admit the game is a failure is also to admit they can't escape into it, and I think for a lot of these people, that's gonna hurt far more than the thousands they've already lost.

Toops posted:

This nails it right in the face. I agree it's not so much about money as it is the manifestation of a tragic miscalculation: That technology will somehow fulfill our deepest needs.

The looming dread they feel is the old urge for their lives to count for something before they die. The church has failed our technological generation, but our thirst for personal meaning hasn't waned. We've been given the gift of instant unrestrained access to the history of human information, but none of it quenches our thirst. We can contrive through our technology any number of convincing fantasies, but none of it quenches our thirst. We can digitally express every sexual fantasy, every mode of power and influence, we can fly, become God, build worlds, and still none of it quenches our thirst. The sheer number of conveniences and amenities triple every second, but none of it quenches our thirst. We're now standing at the highest vantage in human history looking out, seeing everything, still seeing nothing, and we don't feel any better. Because we don't know what we're looking for. None of it holds any meaning.

What do they want? What the gently caress do they think Star Citizen is going to give them that they don't already have?

They want someone or something to tell them they're OK. That their lives matter. That there's a reason they're here now but won't be soon. But no one can tell them that. Other people can't quench their thirst. Technology, gadgets, VR, convenience, porn, none of that will quench their thirst. Star Citizen sure as gently caress won't quench their thirst, and the more playable the game becomes, the more that fact will become obvious.

gently caress Star Citizen. Fulfillment comes from within.

This is weird, I was thinking about this in terms of libertarian.txt and you've managed to find a Shitizen analogy :psyduck:

Excellent posting. :pgabz:

Diatom posted:

Coming from the UK banking industry, the FCA is the UK banking regulator, they don't handle tax matters (HM Revenue & Customs) or fraud (The SFO or the police). Unless Cloud imperium is offering investment products, even if CR was pocketing all the cash, the FCA would not be involved.

Not sure what Derek was talking about.

Well gosh it took me only minutes to check out the FCA's own site and check on what businesses might come under their supervision. Can you say money-laundering? I think you can! They regulate payment services and e-money companies. Shonky stuff going on is entirely in their ballpark.

Also welcome back AnusMan! We...missed you. Also, goodbye apparently! :pgabz:

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:32

ManofManyAliases: Mar 21, 2016; ToastOfManySmarts

Can't post for 3 hours!

quote:

Samizdata posted:
No - you're right (on both fronts), which is why I hate my cell-phone carrier for the terms they included just so that I could keep my unlimited data plan.

And that is really why I have a dog in this race and have chosen a side. (No, no money.)

I originally just jumped in for shits and giggles. As time has passed, I have seen CIG, in my opinion, become a machine for leeching money from seriously damaged people and pour as much of it into meaningless frivolities and luxuries as actually productive work (and I AM being kind here). I have seen a company show more and more disregard for their clientele as anything other than a resource to be strip mined to oblivion, and, unlike most other companies, they really don't even make a real effort to pretend to be otherwise. I have seen a company that has inculcated a level of doublethink in both it's staff and clientele a level of doublethink that would stagger Orwell. (If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot clipping through a human face � forever.) I have seen a company fronted by people that have a completely inability to accept their poor life choices and failures and have engineered a machine to fight the world's inevitable proof of their irrelevancy, and will happily game the legal system to the bitter end.

I don't bear a grudge against the poor schmucks in the trenches that are just trying to pay their bills. Getting a new job is not as easy as some of you say. I am angered by the disconnected idiots helming this ship of fools headlong into rocks while spouting jingoistic slogans about there being no rocks in their dreams.

This why I am becoming more public with my distaste for this whole thing. As each day passes, I see the hope of this ever actually becoming a real product that will offer at least a glimmer of joy in the lives of these broken people slowly fade farther and farther into the horizon, and I wonder how they can delude themselves they still have souls.

Let me step back, take off the troll hat and be completely, 100% honest for just a minute:

I am invested in the SC project - I professed that since day one. I also professed that I am a member of multiple message boards (public and private) as well as a redditor and now.. I guess, SA? CiG is not managed well at all. As open as they claim to be, there are too many facades and walls held up with duct tape to consider them completely open to the public. I do believe that CR is making a good-faith effort to deliver a game. But, there has been enormous scope creep that he, himself, probably did not anticipate and is now trying to play catch-up to salvage. I also think that with 300+ employees including contractors, and a mild turnover that's not uncommon in other companies, there is not enough red flags to have the employees en masse conclude that the project is a failure. Sure - people want a paycheck and sure people want experience. But, faced with facts, people are not so unintelligent as to say, "Well - we're going down, but I think I'll stay for the cash" or "Hrmm - management says everything is ok, so I must believe them." In other words - people can make their own deductions.

Public distaste - as you say - is becoming more each day. CiG can't possibly be blind to it. They have to react or else they'll suffer consequences. It's an extremely ambitious project that I'm sure none of them want to see fail, which is why I'm willing to stick it out. If it takes longer to come to fruition - fine.

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Samizdata: May 14, 2007

Kakarot posted:

In b4 moma is doxxed!!

Too late. I doxxed your momma last night!

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:33

ManofManyAliases: Mar 21, 2016; ToastOfManySmarts

Can't post for 3 hours!

Chalks posted:

Sure is handy that US law governs the entire world I guess, especially when we're talking about a company who's primary development now happens in the UK and Germany.

And is headquartered in LA.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:33

Xaerael: Aug 25, 2010; Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

ManofManyAliases posted:

I am a fish I am a fish I am a fish I am a fish I am a fish I am a fish I am a fish I am a fish I am a fish I am a fish I am a fish I am a fish I am a fish I am a fish

Shut up, Croberts.

e. also stop breaking your loving quotes, you uneducated troglodyte.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:33

Beer4TheBeerGod: Aug 23, 2004; Exciting Lemon

ManofManyAliases posted:

Under UCC 2-207, it simply requires that the end user is made aware of the terms before agreeing to them. And you're analogy is not 100% accurate either in that we're discussing commercial law. In current common law, it is up to the court to decide which is more applicable, StepSaver v Arizona Retail or the ProCD decision. There's no clear-cut decision either way.

I miss the days when you were a likable guy, Toast. Your time at CIG seems to have brought out the worst in you.

ManofManyAliases posted:

You are SO enamored with the fact that over 500k individuals are giving money to a venture that, in your eyes, is a fraudulent enterprise.

Thanks for clarifying how many backers there actually are.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:33

SerCypher: May 10, 2006; Gay baby jail...? What the hell?

I really don't like the sound of that...; Fun Shoe

ManofManyAliases posted:

It's an extremely ambitious project that I'm sure none of them want to see fail, which is why I'm willing to stick it out. If it takes longer to come to fruition - fine.

It has already failed.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:34

big nipples big life: May 12, 2014; Can't post for 6 hours!

ManofManyAliases posted:

Under UCC 2-207, it simply requires that the end user is made aware of the terms before agreeing to them. And you're analogy is not 100% accurate either in that we're discussing commercial law. In current common law, it is up to the court to decide which is more applicable, StepSaver v Arizona Retail or the ProCD decision. There's no clear-cut decision either way.

Watch out guys! He has a google!

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:36

a whole buncha crows: May 8, 2003; WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHO TO HATE, WE HATE OURSELVES.-SA USER NATION (AKA ME!)

ManofManyAliases posted:

And is headquartered in LA.

which one??? there are like 30 shell companies at this point

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:37

moveable shape: Oct 18, 2015

MedicineHut posted:

Meanwhile over at the international community...

The recent discussions about ships not available at release sparked by Ben Lesnick among the international community have triggered a round of schizofrenia and acceptance/"negotiation" among the brown sea. Curious enough to see the slow but sure capitulation even at the top cultists levels... Some more balanced cultists are starting to see the light though.

As I have mentioned before Top Head Cultist No1, the main cultist and transcriptor of CIG news at this community, "forgot" to transcribe the RtV part where Ben Lesnick explained about the ships not available at launch... But someone else posted it after me tipping them.

Comments in between [ ] are mine.

It is so funny seeing THC No2 now having to go to the Pledge in order to justify changes to scope when during years they had been the most adamant white knights of a pure and intact game scope that would never compromise and would always deliver as promised. Especially when CIG has reneged of The Pledge and it is now hosted in a completely isolated url to which there is no direct link whatsoever in the main RSI website menus.

It starts to feel like their last ditch defense and I am enjoying it every step.

The poor thing does not realize that he has just excused a potential non delivery of CIG of the full translation of the game, which was promised by CR back in 2013, and that THC No2 had always defended as 100% no doubt confirmed. Schizophrenia at its best.

Everything is subject to loving change allright. Delivering a game will be actually changed to not delivering a loving game.

This is awesome thanks for translating

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:37

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I miss the days when you were a likable guy, Toast. Your time at CIG seems to have brought out the worst in you.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:37

a whole buncha crows: May 8, 2003; WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHO TO HATE, WE HATE OURSELVES.-SA USER NATION (AKA ME!)

remember when cig customer support were telling people who asked for refunds that chargebacks were fraud lmao

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:38

JainDoh: Nov 5, 2002

its almost as though someone thinks we are unclear that he spent money and has since wised up

we know, but youre a douche, so

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:38

ManofManyAliases: Mar 21, 2016; ToastOfManySmarts

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Nation posted:

which one??? there are like 30 shell companies at this point

Any smart, private company divests assets and maximizes opportunities for tax incentives and liability reduction.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:38

Stick100: Mar 18, 2003

ManofManyAliases posted:

I am invested in the SC project - I professed that since day one.

...

CiG is not managed well at all.

...

I do believe that CR is making a good-faith effort to deliver a game. But, there has been enormous scope creep that he, himself, probably did not anticipate and is now trying to play catch-up to salvage.

...

I also think that with 300+ employees including contractors, and a mild turnover that's not uncommon in other companies, there is not enough red flags to have the employees en masse conclude that the project is a failure

...

But, faced with facts, people [ed. Employees] are not so unintelligent as to say, "Well - we're going down, but I think I'll stay for the cash" or "Hrmm - management says everything is ok, so I must believe them." In other words - people can make their own deductions.

...

It's an extremely ambitious project that I'm sure none of them want to see fail, which is why I'm willing to stick it out. If it takes longer to come to fruition - fine.

So are you confirming your a CIG employee? Reading between the lines it seems you are saying you're an employee and are willing to stick it out. Maybe if you confirm you are, Derek will save you the doxxing.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:38

Ragequit: Jun 1, 2006; Lipstick Apathy

Beet Wagon posted:

I call him Kevin, because I think he looks a little bit like a young Kevin Spacey... except all screamin' in pain from something terrible happening to him.

What the gently caress kind of nightmare factory do you work in?

Is the bleach for taking care of unwanted visitors while listening to that Taylor Swift album?

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:38

Colostomy Bag: Jan 11, 2016; C-Bangin' it

ManofManyAliases posted:

Public distaste - as you say - is becoming more each day. CiG can't possibly be blind to it. They have to react or else they'll suffer consequences. It's an extremely ambitious project that I'm sure none of them want to see fail, which is why I'm willing to stick it out. If it takes longer to come to fruition - fine.

Do you have a breaking point where you say this is really hosed? Is it 6 months from now and they really haven't accomplished much, or two years?

Just curious.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:39

a whole buncha crows: May 8, 2003; WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHO TO HATE, WE HATE OURSELVES.-SA USER NATION (AKA ME!)

ManofManyAliases posted:

Any smart, private company divests assets and maximizes opportunities for tax incentives and liability reduction.

shame that this is a publicly funded game then

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:39

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

ManofManyAliases posted:

And is headquartered in LA.

And we're expecting people to take ToS issues with an international company operating in the UK all the way across the world to LA because that's where their headquarters are? Not sure it works that way.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:39

ManofManyAliases: Mar 21, 2016; ToastOfManySmarts

Can't post for 3 hours!

Stick100 posted:

So are you confirming your a CIG employee? Reading between the lines it seems you are saying you're an employee and are willing to stick it out. Maybe if you confirm you are, Derek will save you the doxxing.

No - I am not a CiG employee.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:39

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

Chalks posted:

Sure is handy that US law governs the entire world I guess, especially when we're talking about a company who's primary development now happens in the UK and Germany.

https://youtu.be/nmsVwJZz0lo?t=1m16s

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:39

JainDoh: Nov 5, 2002

oh, right, i forgot -- you're really mature and intelligent, as well as educated and informed

cant tell youre trying to telegraph this with everything you say at ALL

not that this helps your case regarding douchedom

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:39

MarcusSA: Sep 23, 2007

ManofManyAliases posted:

Any smart, private company divests assets and maximizes opportunities for tax incentives and liability reduction.

LOL!

Come on now.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:39

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

ManofManyAliases posted:

No - I am not a CiG employee.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:40

revmoo: May 25, 2006; #basta

Steve Kam? Community moderater and paralegal? lmao

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:41

Tijuana Bibliophile: Dec 30, 2008; Scratchmo

Kakarot posted:

In b4 moma is doxxed!!

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

I miss the days when you were a likable guy, Toast. Your time at CIG seems to have brought out the worst in you.

Thanks for clarifying how many backers there actually are.

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ManofManyAliases: Mar 21, 2016; ToastOfManySmarts

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Colostomy Bag posted:

Do you have a breaking point where you say this is really hosed? Is it 6 months from now and they really haven't accomplished much, or two years?

Just curious.

�\_(ツ)_/�

I've always said by beta. Beta should be, for all intents and purposes, a semi release-candidate. We should see persistence, load scaling, fleshed-out movement mechanics, set flight mechanics and procedurally-generated planets and plaentoids that have seamless environments. If not by then, I sell off what I have and am on my merry way.

# ? Apr 13, 2016 20:42

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