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ManMythLegend posted:These clowns ran their MRG without lube oil in it until it failed. How long does that take, roughly? Is it gonna mulch the gearbox within seconds of starting up, or would it run for a while with enough time to say "hey, I don't think that sounds right" before finally failing? The closest thing I can compare it to is aircraft RGBs, which are designed to run for like 30+ minutes even if you dump all your oil; you may not have a usable gearbox at the end, but it'll get you back on deck safely.
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It's even more entertaining when you realize that all crew members are on at least there second sea tour, so they should at least know how to do maintenance.
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Apr 10, 2016 01:11
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I don't even run my junk without proper lubrication. Such good gently caress ups
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Apr 10, 2016 01:40
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bengy81 posted:It's even more entertaining when you realize that all crew members are on at least there second sea tour, so they should at least know how to do maintenance. That's a problem with the class. The ships have three rotating crews, so there's no real ownership. Also lol at maintenance. I was looking through the 43p1 and its pretty thin, most maintenance is done by tech reps. It's funny seeing all of the lcs hate by old retired guys that don't know anything about the program on facebook though.
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Apr 10, 2016 03:57
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PneumonicBook posted:...three rotating crews... Holy poo poo, I bet they still bitch about the amount of time they are on the boat. God drat, gently caress them. Now perma-liberty in Singapore. They did it on purpose!
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Apr 10, 2016 04:00
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Null Integer posted:Holy poo poo, I bet they still bitch about the amount of time they are on the boat. God drat, gently caress them. Now perma-liberty in Singapore. They did it on purpose! Or perma-"you fuckers have put me on the front of Navy Times you will be working three section no overnight as long as we're here until my ship is fixed"
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Apr 10, 2016 04:25
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Wingnut Ninja posted:How long does that take, roughly? Is it gonna mulch the gearbox within seconds of starting up, or would it run for a while with enough time to say "hey, I don't think that sounds right" before finally failing? It really depends on the class of ship and what you're doing with it. Generally for shipboard gears they'll run for a good long time without oil. Sure they're hosed beyond repair if you do it but the gears are large, and the teeth robust enough, that they can take a lot of abuse before they physically fail to the point they no longer mesh and stop turning the shaft. Granted I'm not privy to the actual investigation, but my understanding is that the FORT WORTH guys ran it dry for at least a few weeks.
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Apr 10, 2016 05:41
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ManMythLegend posted:Granted I'm not privy to the actual investigation, but my understanding is that the FORT WORTH guys ran it dry for at least a few weeks. Weeks? LOL. loving SWOs man... Weeks?
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Apr 10, 2016 06:07
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ManMythLegend posted:It really depends on the class of ship and what you're doing with it. Generally for shipboard gears they'll run for a good long time without oil. Sure they're hosed beyond repair if you do it but the gears are large, and the teeth robust enough, that they can take a lot of abuse before they physically fail to the point they no longer mesh and stop turning the shaft. Wouldn't something like that require log gaffing on a huge scale? like the entire engineering department making up numbers and various supervisory watches not questioning anything?
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Apr 10, 2016 06:29
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Wouldn't something like that require log gaffing on a huge scale? like the entire engineering department making up numbers and various supervisory watches not questioning anything? While this is all true, the crew size is 25ish so the entire engineering department is like 7 people. Granted that's no excuse, but keep in mind a lot of watches and watch stations are truncated, and who knows the technical level of the people manning them.
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Apr 10, 2016 07:36
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Yeah, I'm not sure the details. But the automatic logging system that LCS uses should have still caught it from the temp alarms alone. Even if their sensors failed they still should have taking oil samples regularly enough to realize there was none. It's a massive gently caress up all around.
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Apr 10, 2016 08:37
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ManMythLegend posted:Yeah, I'm not sure the details. But the automatic logging system that LCS uses should have still caught it from the temp alarms alone. Even if their sensors failed they still should have taking oil samples regularly enough to realize there was none. It's a massive gently caress up all around. I've heard rumors that they were taking oil samples and there was liquid in the sump: mostly dirty black water. So the reduction gearboxes weren't DRY, they just had no OIL. Training, experience, something something what oil looks like.
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Apr 10, 2016 14:09
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This surprises me not at all. During our last deployment, Engineering basically said gently caress everything. One of the A/C machines was literally spewing oil all over the space it was in for a good 5 months before they finally did anything about it. They just kept refilling it with more oil. They finally had to fix it when it poo poo the fan, because someone forgot to refill the oil. The sounds it made without oil was one of the most disturbing noises I've ever heard from a machine.
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Apr 10, 2016 14:23
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Hobolicious posted:This surprises me not at all. During our last deployment, Engineering basically said gently caress everything. One of the A/C machines was literally spewing oil all over the space it was in for a good 5 months before they finally did anything about it. They just kept refilling it with more oil. They finally had to fix it when it poo poo the fan, because someone forgot to refill the oil. The sounds it made without oil was one of the most disturbing noises I've ever heard from a machine. That sounds like the Enterprise's last deployment, when we came back into port, the vast majority of our poo poo was hilariously broken, jokes on them though, they had to fix it all before they turned it over.
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My experience in the reserves for these first three months has been so laughable. I rescheduled my July and August drill weekends in order to come in this week to: - Primarily: Correct the myriad IT related issues I've been having with NMCI, DTS, NROWS, etc... while the support is still there (weekdays) - Do a billet search and application - Search and schedule AT As of today, Thursday, none of this has been accomplished as I was informed Monday morning that my NMCI account had mysteriously disappeared... entirely. The re-creation and activation still hasn't been done and I've literally just been surfing the forums and doing all the NKOs required for the year. It's basically everything is hard because nothing works, no one really wants to help or cares, and everything external is done on the "when I feel like it" schedule. If I was still on staff I would have called someone and yelled at and this would have been taken care of by Tuesday afternoon, but since I'm just a dirty reservist it'll have no impact or probably hurt. FFS
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Apr 14, 2016 16:10
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Sounds about right.
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Apr 14, 2016 16:58
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If things were done in a timely manner in the reserves no one would have anything left to do.
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Apr 14, 2016 18:45
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11 months until the nightmare ends and SELRES begins. You make it sound so appealing.
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Apr 14, 2016 18:51
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The closer I approach my eaos, the more time slows down.
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Gray Matter posted:11 months until the nightmare ends and SELRES begins. You make it sound so appealing. I mean, cheap as dirt healthcare/dental that is pretty good, monthly checks for barely any work, periodic full paychecks for AT or ADT, and the option to do next to nothing and retire with some pretty great benefits. But goddamn is majority of the time worthlessly spent.
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Apr 14, 2016 21:16
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Boon posted:I mean, cheap as dirt healthcare/dental that is pretty good, monthly checks for barely any work, periodic full paychecks for AT or ADT, and the option to do next to nothing and retire with some pretty great benefits. You get to do the required NKO courses at home for points, too. You just need to save two or four drill periods: two PFAs a year, and two advancement exams (if that applies). I did this as a 2nd class for about three years, and it was awesome. Then I made 1st, and I'm expected to have "leadership" and "mentoring" with the unit. So one weekend a month and two weeks a year it is....
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Navy Thread: goddamn is majority of the time worthlessly spent How are PFAs handled in the reserves, same biannual cycles as AD?
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All these posts about the reserves make me question why one would ever inflict that on themselves.
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Apr 14, 2016 23:46
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Null Integer posted:All these posts about the reserves make me question why one would ever inflict that on themselves. Cheap healthcare I guess.
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I have three kids myself and my boo has four I need healthcare yo because they all have fetal alcohol syndrome, autism, and other debilitating diseases
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Apr 14, 2016 23:54
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Boon posted:I mean, cheap as dirt healthcare/dental that is pretty good, monthly checks for barely any work, periodic full paychecks for AT or ADT, and the option to do next to nothing and retire with some pretty great benefits. Yeah, I've purposely selected units that have an actual mission but it's not easy to find them. And it makes it extra frustrating when the NOSC makes you come in for stupid admin bullshit when you've actually got real work to do for real active Navy units.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Yeah, I've purposely selected units that have an actual mission but it's not easy to find them. And it makes it extra frustrating when the NOSC makes you come in for stupid admin bullshit when you've actually got real work to do for real active Navy units. From what I've read it looks like there are actual reserve units that support LCS. It would be nice to get to do things on Navy time that directly relate to my big boy job.
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PneumonicBook posted:From what I've read it looks like there are actual reserve units that support LCS. It would be nice to get to do things on Navy time that directly relate to my big boy job. There are. Unfortunately, the billets I see most often that I would fill are ESG staff, numbered fleet staff, or Korea Det and those are all worthless positions.
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Hobolicious posted:This surprises me not at all. During our last deployment, Engineering basically said gently caress everything. One of the A/C machines was literally spewing oil all over the space it was in for a good 5 months before they finally did anything about it. They just kept refilling it with more oil. They finally had to fix it when it poo poo the fan, because someone forgot to refill the oil. The sounds it made without oil was one of the most disturbing noises I've ever heard from a machine. Sorry for going back a few days, but it's more nuanced then leak=fix on stuff in the plant, especially AC's and especially on a deployment.
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Speaking of the reserves, can anyone explain to me what an engineering duty officer does? I'm going through the process to direct commission and I've read the literature they've given me on the subject but I'm still a little unclear. Does it depend entirely on what your local NOSC "handles"? Do all NOSCs handle the same things or are some dedicated to servicing some specific parts of the Navy? Not sure of the terminology to use here. I was also told that you can choose the projects you want to work on?
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IratelyBlank posted:Speaking of the reserves, can anyone explain to me what an engineering duty officer does? I'm going through the process to direct commission and I've read the literature they've given me on the subject but I'm still a little unclear. Does it depend entirely on what your local NOSC "handles"? Do all NOSCs handle the same things or are some dedicated to servicing some specific parts of the Navy? Not sure of the terminology to use here. I was also told that you can choose the projects you want to work on? I have literally no idea what an EDO in the reserves does, but all NOSCs handle the same thing in one sense (medical, GMT, PFA) but in another sense each reserve activity has a certain set of units geographically. Like, NOSC Bumblefuck could have a Seabee unit, a Korea det, and an Intelligence unit whereas NOSC Cootermunch has an ESG staff unit, an engineer unit, and a Transcom unit. And if you live near Cootermunch and are a Seabee, you get to either a) travel at your own expense b) do something that has nothing do do with your rate, or c) deal with cross assigned bullshit and sometimes travel at the Navy's expense and mostly do something that has nothing to do with your rate and also get your admin all hosed.
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Goddamn I'm getting pissed at all of the bullshit around the Russian jets buzzing the Cook. So much "Ugh we should have blown them up herp" with a side of "This administration has made our Navy weak!". When it comes from civilians it's whatever, they don't understand watch standing in theatre or ROE, and they're pelted with jingoism everywhere. Fine. It's the veterans or other guys currently serving. Like gently caress off, they should know better.
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Ya we should have totally shot down those unarmed airplanes who gave us a free airshow! rear end in a top hat COMMIE RUSSIAN BASTARDS!
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PneumonicBook posted:Goddamn I'm getting pissed at all of the bullshit around the Russian jets buzzing the Cook. So much "Ugh we should have blown them up herp" with a side of "This administration has made our Navy weak!". I personally am thrilled that I wasn't on watch when that happened. Can you imagine that loving nightmare? MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN RADAR CONTACTS SO WE CAN EVALUATE FOR TRAINING!!!! Fake edit: I know it would be more dramatic than that but 1. I'm drunk on a business meeting and 2. I don't want to spill into OPSEC. bengy81 fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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If the Russian birds used any of their attack radars or ECM it would have been great stuff for us. ANNOTATE THE TAPE!!! ded fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Kerry: Shooting down Russia jets 'would have been justified'quote:"It is reckless. It is provocative. It is dangerous. And under the rules of engagement, that could have been a shoot-down." 
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If they publish permissive ROE against Russia then I'm heading back to a cruiser ASAP.
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Apr 15, 2016 12:20
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I think we should let foreign policy be driven by letting pilots do increasingly stupid and dangerous poo poo attempting to out Danger Zone other nations pilots. Strong first move, Russia
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Seriously though, the idea of getting on a NIFCCA boat and putting an SM-6 up the trail pipe of a MiG is giving me a raging SWOner right now.
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ManMythLegend posted:If they publish permissive ROE against Russia then I'm heading back to a cruiser ASAP. yikes
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