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I never had a problem with the Cowled Wizards, I figured your teams inaction was simply the result of engine limitation. I mean, it's not like Gorion's last stand is exactly the stuff of legends.
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e X posted:I never had a problem with the Cowled Wizards, I figured your teams inaction was simply the result of engine limitation. I mean, it's not like Gorion's last stand is exactly the stuff of legends. They could've broken up the cutscene to allow the player to interject. I guess hammering cutscene stupidity in a game made a turn of the century is kind of unfair (Can't think of a lot of contemporary examples), but it still doesn't feel right to me. They could have revealed Irenicus had a deal of some kind with a high-ranking wizard that he made as a contingency, which would explain how he got all the stuff he needed together in Spellhold, though if you're a mage he would've just arranged for you to be captured too...
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Apr 14, 2016 22:39
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They specifically say Khalid's body and soul were so desecrated that he couldn't be resurrected. I just assume it's part of the weird, and dark experiments Irenicus did to you and Imoen. It also sorta fits with the game play since you can't use rods of resurrection on people who got gibbed.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:41
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Skwirl posted:It also sorta fits with the game play since you can't use rods of resurrection on people who got gibbed. Which is very much not true in pen and paper D&D and the game's lower difficulties, but I won't argue that point.
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Apr 14, 2016 22:48
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AD&D had a whooooole lot more restrictions on resurrection, remember. If I recall you had a chance for it to fail and make you dead forever, amongst other things.
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Apr 14, 2016 23:28
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They tried to implement that in Baldur's Gate but the stat isn't used. I think they realized nobody was not going to reload if it meant losing a party member forever.
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Apr 14, 2016 23:30
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I always really liked this fan made version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhL8iKN3rVA
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I like how much better the fan made Irenicus model is than the the borrowed models from the professionally made Dragon Age. EDIT: They had the opportunity to have the rest of the party be restrained by the Cowled Wizards or otherwise make an attempt to rescue Imoen, but instead they just...stand there. Minsc even crosses his arms like "Finally the annoying girl is gone! Come Boo, to the nearest bar!" Kavak fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Apr 14, 2016 |
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Apr 14, 2016 23:37
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"Interesting" bug I'm having, every time I get level drained (which, as I have no items that grant NPP, for obvious reasons, is often if I'm playing it quickly as vampires offer no particular challenge at the moment) all my level 4 cleric spells get unlearned. Level 4 cleric spells including Lesser Restoration and Negative Plane Protection!
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MrL_JaKiri posted:"Interesting" bug I'm having, every time I get level drained (which, as I have no items that grant NPP, for obvious reasons, is often if I'm playing it quickly as vampires offer no particular challenge at the moment) all my level 4 cleric spells get unlearned. Level 4 cleric spells including Lesser Restoration and Negative Plane Protection! It's always worked like that.
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Apr 14, 2016 23:59
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Yeah I'm still in Chapter 4 , apparently I can't go to Baldurs Gate  . However now that the party has leveled up some the game has become incredibly fun.
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Skwirl posted:It's always worked like that. What, has it? Never encountered it before, obviously!
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Apr 15, 2016 00:19
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Skwirl posted:It's always "worked" like that. Level drain will obviously remove spells you shouldn't have. And by 'remove' I mean grey them out, but still remember what you had slotted, until you get level(s) restored. Common sense suggests it should knock them off in the order you added them, right to left, so a sensible player would put restoration spells first in the list. Whether it should make them immediately cast-able after restoration is debatable, but I know the original game did none of those things, and was a huge pain in the arse. I thought EE had fixed that?
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^ Don't think he's playing the EEs. Also, patch out for Baldur's Gate EEs (not IWD).
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This is just vanilla BG2TOB pretty much, fixpack + tweak pack + widescreen.xiansi posted:Level drain will obviously remove spells you shouldn't have. No, not the thing about it acting as if that was your max level so you have to relearn the spells you "get" at the levels you lost. Instantly unlearning all level 4 cleric spells specifically, wiping the learned spellbook, even though I have enough wisdom and levels to still have a million of em. ie going from this  to this 
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Skwirl posted:They specifically say Khalid's body and soul were so desecrated that he couldn't be resurrected. I just assume it's part of the weird, and dark experiments Irenicus did to you and Imoen. It also sorta fits with the game play since you can't use rods of resurrection on people who got gibbed. It's definitely part of it because Imoen says that Irenicus made her watch as he cut him open and showed her. That, to me, sounds like vivisection. When you find him, he's been "obviously experimented" upon, if I remember right. Kavak posted:*At least I think she is. Jaheira's comments about resurrecting Khalid would make more sense if there weren't Rods of Resurrection in the game and the spell description just mentions the caster needing bed rest, not draining their life force or anything. By "Aged Dead" I guess she means magically aged, because the spell can work on centuries old skeletons if you find the right dude. The comments you can make makes it feel like they were setting up a revelation for the romance that she had fallen out of love with him but wouldn't/couldn't get a divorce or something, or had trouble admitting it to herself. Shouldn't the party at least take the body and give him a decent burial, not leave him to rot in Irenicus' now inaccessible base? Jaheira is a bit mad with grief, yes. She's also headstrong and stubborn and refuses to listen to people. She's also pretty big on accepting things as they are as part of the Balance, as per her belief in Silvanus (I'm pretty sure her belief that death is part of life and something she should just accept comes up in the romance line). I don't think it's so cynical that she never loved him and couldn't admit it but more that she's behaving very irrationally and isn't the sort to be led by others, even when it'd be to her benefit ("Yo, let's go resurrect Khalid.") As for not taking him with you - who's going to carry him? Minsc? And then what happens if you run into trouble on the way out? Or the body is booby-trapped which, given everything else that's happened in the dungeon so far, could be a possibility?
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Hollismason posted:Yeah I'm still in Chapter 4 , apparently I can't go to Baldurs Gate
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Milky Moor posted:Jaheira is a bit mad with grief, yes. She's also headstrong and stubborn and refuses to listen to people. She's also pretty big on accepting things as they are as part of the Balance, as per her belief in Silvanus (I'm pretty sure her belief that death is part of life and something she should just accept comes up in the romance line). I don't think it's so cynical that she never loved him and couldn't admit it but more that she's behaving very irrationally and isn't the sort to be led by others, even when it'd be to her benefit ("Yo, let's go resurrect Khalid.") Yeah, after looking at the dialogue in Near Infinity it starts to make more sense. I've stopped seeing it as a plot hole. I have 19 Strength, I could potentially carry the whole party.  Jaheira would probably flip out and just order everyone to leave it alone in her state.
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e X posted:I always really liked this fan made version: Holy poo poo this game has aged terribly. Irenicus is the only recognizable character. Minsc is just Some Bald Guy, and Imoen is Leliana with a dye job and acute liver failure. Speaking of Minsc, Jim Cummings' performance in SoD bothers me. It's like seeing your favorite band back on tour, but the singer's voice is shot and he no longer has the range or sustain to perform his own material. When he uses his indoor voice (which he uses a lot more than in either BG1 or BG2, where he was shouting and DECLAIMING! all the time), he sounds OK but when he raises his voice he just...can't. Go for the eyes. Goooo for the eeeeeyes. Bwaaaah. 
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Apr 15, 2016 00:48
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Woolie Wool posted:Holy poo poo this game has aged terribly. Irenicus is the only recognizable character. Minsc is just Some Bald Guy, and Imoen is Leliana with a dye job and acute liver failure. It didn't look that good at the time either, I remember it took me like an hour with the character creator to get a Warden who didn't look like rear end. The biggest problem is that there's no emotion in the faces, they're all so lifeless, but not simple enough that a player can project onto them. That kind of helps with Jon since that's his general demeanor.
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Yeah, I noticed that when I replayed DA:O after finishing Pillars of Eternity. I got about 8 hours in and gave up because of the cutscenes, and the horrible, dead-eyed staring look of my Warden, even though I downloaded custom player face meshes from  and everything. He just stared into space like he had massive brain damage and I decided to play Baldur's Gate instead and here I am.At least the meshes made him look mostly human, which beats the male human faces from the vanilla game.I can't really imagine the combat with Dragon Age's mechanics, either. They're too shallow and the "we can't fully commit to either isometric or Mario 64-style" camera and controls make party control much more difficult than in the Infinity engine. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Apr 15, 2016 00:57
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Woolie Wool posted:Holy poo poo this game has aged terribly. Irenicus is the only recognizable character. Minsc is just Some Bald Guy, and Imoen is Leliana with a dye job and acute liver failure. That reminds me; Back when I was playing BGT, I noticed that in the transition from BG1 to BG2, the audio quality of the voice clips dropped off. Did they have to be compressed to fit on the disc or something? Also, am I the only one who thinks that the portraits in BG2 aren't very good?
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Some of them are better, some of them are worse. Jaheira and Aerie look horrendous, Minsc doesn't look so great, most of the others are improvements. I think subtler is better when it comes to elf faces. Aerie looks like a goddamn UFO gray alien and makes about as much anatomical sense (where are her brain and airway supposed to go?).
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Minsc looks fine, but they confused "Elf" and "Alien". I think Aerie's portrait inspired the Na'vi.
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Woolie Wool posted:Some of them are better, some of them are worse. Jaheira and Aerie look horrendous, Minsc doesn't look so great, most of the others are improvements. What? Jaheira looks fine. It's way more fitting to her character than her BG1 portrait was. Aerie looks terrible, though. I like the whole alien elf thing but it doesn't fit her character. Minsc is great. Viconia's portrait is basically a photoshop of a Russian porn actress, though. I'd say that was a big reason behind SOD's portrait change. edit: 
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The new patch finally extends the new record screen to BG2. Wow, the BG2:EE UI looks atrocious compared to SoD. The layouts are now the same but the fonts and shapes are awful and the art is so busy. I hope someone reskins the SoD UI into a BG2-esque texture theme and drops it wholesale into BG2.
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I think the latest patch does just that.
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It does not. As I said, the layouts are pretty much the same but it doesn't have SoD's rectangular buttons, more legible fonts, and cleaner look in general. Although since the new UI supports TTF fonts, I have been monkeying with the SoD fonts:  Main UI font is Liberation Serif Semi Bold, dialogue/journal font is Palatino Linotype, window header is Hofstadter Fraktur, floating text font is Garamond Pro Display Semi Bold. I like it. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Apr 15, 2016 01:14
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Sorry, I misread you. Can you make a screenshot?
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I know that the BG1 portraits were done by Mike Sass, and the likenesses were all based off of Bioware employees and their relatives.
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The BG1 portraits are better as pictures, the BG2 ones are all passport photo style. But I imagine that's for usability reasons, much easier to tell the NPCs apart (which is what you'll be doing with the pictures most of the time, not appreciating their artistic quality).
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Kavak posted:Sorry, I misread you. Can you make a screenshot? OK, BG2 with new patch:  SoD (I removed my custom fonts, this is the vanilla look):  Everything is cleaner and more understated in the SoD UI, and vastly more user-friendly. Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Apr 15, 2016 01:25
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Huh, I actually prefer the new patch's look, just need to raise the font size. I think it was taking a 3-month break and then coming back to Siege of Dragonspear that made my brain decide "This is how it's supposed to look" and now I hate the old interface.
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Well I guess it would be better if one raised the font size and got rid of that godawful twee pseudo-uncial font. God I hate that font. But I really don't like any of it after seeing SoD, it looks very tacky and cluttered.
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Apr 15, 2016 01:40
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Since the SoD update I've been having problems with a few custom soundsets. The selection sounds aren't working for me, at least in BG1EE. BG2EE doesn't seem to have this problem. Soundsets that I've made where it has the format CUSTOM#a.wav, etc. work fine but any other format seems to not have working selection sounds. Anyone else have this problem?
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Ugh, I just remembered just HOW short ToB really is. Once you get passed Yaga-Shura and the quest about his heart, every other spawn really just get's one map to themselves. And even with Yaga-Shura, there is basically zero exploration involved.
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Woolie Wool posted:Well I guess it would be better if one raised the font size and got rid of that godawful twee pseudo-uncial font. God I hate that font. But I really don't like any of it after seeing SoD, it looks very tacky and cluttered. I don't see the problem with it, honestly. I find it interesting that an organization as draconian as the Cowled Wizards doesn't have a death penalty. The punishment for blowing up a chunk of the city, killing a bunch of thieves, then killing a bunch of your dudes is the same as casting a Magic Missile spell at the perpetrator without a license. I guess the game would be a lot shorter if Imoen got fined 6000 GP and Irenicus got crushed by a giant pillar, but they could have them try to kill him at the start of Chapter 3- they'd fail, he'd escape, then you get the "I cannot be contained" speech.
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And then you kill about 30 Cowled Wizards and then show up right at their doorstep and hand them 5000 GP to stop bothering you, and no one even cares that you murdered a whole shitload of them while flouting the law.
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Can you only have one Ankheg? Armour? I got one in a field gave it to my druid. However, I gave it to the smith in Beregos or whatever its called ,but it's been waaaaaaay past 10 days. Actually he just gave me 500 gold or something. What armour should I get Minsc? I got him in Full Plate right now.
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Woolie Wool posted:And then you kill about 30 Cowled Wizards and then show up right at their doorstep and hand them 5000 GP to stop bothering you, and no one even cares that you murdered a whole shitload of them while flouting the law. Kind of a game design necessity. You can't have the player harassed non-stop in the game's main city with no way out. It would have been better if they let you destroy their entire order as I intend to  .
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