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Arquinsiel posted:You're gonna want to link that video. Yea i got the rulebook. I thought you had to have the vehicle commander model be the commander. Also video http://youtu.be/FwzCu7BYvjc
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Nah, it's just a BMP. The formation commander is actually the dude on the infantry base that goes with it. The five BMPs you have will do your "army" commander and one full platoon. I don't know if that platoon needs a commander same as it would in FoW, but again it'd be a dude in the mans and not the vehicle itself. ETA: looking at the video you could do a Soviet colourscheme with it, but I think it might be later than 85. Invest in some Vallejo Model Colour 70.894 "Russian Green" TBH.
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Would you say that's not the right green for Soviet uniforms in the summer of 1985? 
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Honestly I don't see ANY green in the video so... yeah.
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I was gonna use khaki for uniforms and citadels loren foredt green for tanks. It look like 90s/modern in that shade though
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Really after a while I've just come to the conclusion that Battlefront is basically made up of giant idiots who accidentally made a good game That's a tad strong
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Serotonin posted:That's a tad strong Yeah, calling Flames of War a good WWII game is a bit of a stretch..... In other news, I now have Chain of command, some markers and some Churchill tanks, so if I can get them undercoated today, I may well be able to try some WWII skirmishing!
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I think FoW should get credit for pulling Historicals, kicking and screaming, into the modern tabletop gaming world. By that I mean by packaging a system (and a period!) in a way that is more approachable to other types of gamers: a rulebook, sourcebook expansions with clearly described army lists and a points system suitable for pick-up games, and most importantly: selling boxes of miniatures based on formations in the game, not "here's a bag of 100 German infantrymen, you should know the rest". FoW was the first historical game around here that got any traction at all among the GW gaming crowd, and a lot of stuff that came later built on that traction. I don't think Bolt Action would have been quite as popular now if it wasn't for the work done by Battlefront to introduce the idea to many people that miniature games can be something else than sci-fi or fantasy. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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I've always liked FoW as a gateway drug. It got me to be more serious about historicals (I had British Grenadier but never played it), and it certainly allowed me to get friends involved.
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I think for me one of the things that helped spark my interest in historicals was a simplification of the rules. Rivet-counting grognardia is all well and good if you have the time and energy to devote to it, but in my current state of life (job, house, wife, two small kids). I don't have the time to invest in spending 8 hours playing a game. Simpler rulesets (or ones like CoC that focus on smaller units) mean that I actually get to PLAY a game as opposed to just looking longingly at it and thinking it might be cool. FWIW, the same transition has happened in my RPG tastes - I have eschewed crunchier, more "realistic" games for stuff like Apocalypse World, which delivers story (the part about which I care) at a breakneck pace without dwelling on the mechanics of simulating whatever. Gettysburg Soldiers might be more simplistic than Regimental Fire and Fury, but I can set up and play that poo poo in minutes. More importantly, I can teach one of my friends how to play it in minutes.
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Arquinsiel posted:Nah, it's just a BMP. The formation commander is actually the dude on the infantry base that goes with it. The five BMPs you have will do your "army" commander and one full platoon. I don't know if that platoon needs a commander same as it would in FoW, but again it'd be a dude in the mans and not the vehicle itself. Yea my main question was if each platoon/company needs an HQ as well. So basically for what I have now, would my BMP company need a command unit in addition to my rifle company HQ? Reading the rules it says every formation needs a commander, but it doesn't make it clear what a formation counts as. Is a formation a platoon, company, or your whole force on the table?
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Phi230 posted:Yea my main question was if each platoon/company needs an HQ as well. Formations are company equivalents, yeah.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Formations are company equivalents, yeah.
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Phi230 posted:One tging im confused about in the team yankee rules us what constitutes a formation. YMMV but the Citadel paints are too bright and cartoony for painting historicals. I would check out the Vallejo or Mig line of paints. Mig actually sells packs of paints for common stuff, one of them being post-WWII soviet vehicles. Phi230 posted:Yea my main question was if each platoon/company needs an HQ as well. Check page 72 and 73 of the rule book, it explains the difference between your Force Diagram and your Formation Diagram and what counts as a formation and what doesn't. But page 92 is the Formation you are concerned about. Any units you take from that Org Chart make up your formation and the HQ from it is your formation HQ. For the soviets "Battalion" and "Formation" are basically the same but the rules will only mention the word "Formation" as the US uses a different terminology.
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Not sure whether to post this here or in the scale model thread but for highlighting Russian Green/Vallejo Camo Olive Green, what shades do people use? I know Soviet armour had a lot of varied tones but I'm trying to plan out ahead on what it would look like depending on certain shades, anyone here have any examples and advice on painting Russian WW2 tanks?
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I'm mixing together vallejo's uniform green and feldgrau and getting a colour that looks pretty similar to the T-34-85 in bovington.
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Isopropyl alcohol mixed with grass.
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From a grog perspective how did I do. I know it looks mostly like poo poo but I don't wanna continue painting if it doesn't look soviet enough.   
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Flipswitch posted:Not sure whether to post this here or in the scale model thread but for highlighting Russian Green/Vallejo Camo Olive Green, what shades do people use? I know Soviet armour had a lot of varied tones but I'm trying to plan out ahead on what it would look like depending on certain shades, anyone here have any examples and advice on painting Russian WW2 tanks? Vallejo Russian Green is actually the modern armour colour. WWII era 4BO was noticeably lighter.
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To be fair, that code has multiple names. It looks decent on my FoW stuff when given a hilight of it with a teeny drop of deck tan anyways.
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I took some photos of my new Marder III tank destroyer. It's a pre-painted die-cast 1:48 toy, bought from China for less than 10 buck including shipping. Straight out of the box:  Pretty nifty! The tracks desperately needed to be painted, but after that it was just a matter of putting on some black wash, add some rust pigment around the rivets, and finally smudge some sand and mud pigments around the roadwheels and tracks. So about 10 bucks and 30 minutes of work, for a pretty cool looking Marder III. Incredible value for money IMHO.  
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Ensign Expendable posted:Vallejo Russian Green is actually the modern armour colour. WWII era 4BO was noticeably lighter. I own too many bloody paints.
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Just sieged a Confederate town: Union army:  Confederate positions:   Battlefield:  Ended up being a really close one- we played Black Powder and decided the Union would win if they could end a turn with a unit in the town while the Rebs tried to keep them out for 6 turns plus a 7th turn on a 4+, rolled at the beginning of turn 6. I played the Union and dawdled too much, the extra turn wasn't rolled and everything came down to a suicide charge from some of my infantry to try and grab the town...they got blown to pieces from the cannon. The Confederate forward trench, manned by horse artillery and dismounted cavalry, lasted way longer than it had any right to and I sort of got sucked in trying to kill the artillery instead of just massing my infantry in the field and pressing his defenses. All in all a fun battle though.
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lilljonas posted:I took some photos of my new Marder III tank destroyer. It's a pre-painted die-cast 1:48 toy, bought from China for less than 10 buck including shipping. That's awesome! What's the company and do they make anything Polish?
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Managed to get in a 1420 point game of Flames of War today with my freshly painted M4A2s! How'd it go, you ask? uhhhhh  ...it could have gone better
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Endman posted:That's awesome! What's the company and do they make anything Polish? "21st century toys". The weird thing is that they primarily do larger stuff, like barbie-sized ww2 stuff. There's almost nothing in 1:48, except three differen czech chassis vehicles: this, a marder III aufs M, and a pz. 38(t). I've been told they made others before, so it could be worth checking ebay now and then for 1:48 diecast tanks.
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lilljonas posted:"21st century toys". The weird thing is that they primarily do larger stuff, like barbie-sized ww2 stuff. There's almost nothing in 1:48, except three differen czech chassis vehicles: this, a marder III aufs M, and a pz. 38(t). Hmm, that's bizarre. Oh well, I'll keep an eye out anyway
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Salute was pretty cool, not as many clubs doing games as I thought there'd be, but lots of big retailers and a few extra companies were there with some cool stuff. I was taking video of all the stands and tables and was really surprised to see a 3mm battle in the same row of tables as a 54mm battle. Also got a bit of swag:  Not shown is my second Saga force with dice, Renedra terrain for Frostgrave/fantasy, Dark Deeds game from Games & Gears and second Dungeon Saga game I picked up for a friend. The books at top left were brought to get signed, got loads of luck/fame rubs for my dice! And apparently I won a KR Multicase Backpack4, that'll teach me to not look through everything in the swag bag! Now I gotta pay 20 quid for postage, what a ripoff!
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Totes jeallous on the Salute loot. Thanks to the help in the scale modelling thread, and watching some youtube tutorials, todays airbrush session went much better:  They're going to be commonwealth forces in Sicily 1943, so I'm going for a mid stone brown and blue-black camo, that should still look relatively ok if we ever play North Africa or early Italy. I didn't go for a khaki green colour since we have tons of Soviet tanks already, so a second force with green tanks would be a little bit boring. Either way we have some green Shermans for later war, so if we get more late war tanks I'll paint those green. Now I need to decide if I should do a highlight, or if Mid Stone on a dark grey pre-shade is enough. Then I'll try out making some sharp border camo. Is modeling clay the best way to stencil small blobs of camo with sharp edges, like this? 
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lilljonas posted:Is modeling clay the best way to stencil small blobs of camo with sharp edges, like this? That first picture looks really similar to one that's posted in the Chain of Command Facebook group. For sharp lines, modeling clay isn't what you want, you'll need to use good modeling tape. Just make sure your base coat is fully cured (a couple of days, not just until it's touch-dry) and matte varnished.
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krushgroove posted:That first picture looks really similar to one that's posted in the Chain of Command Facebook group. Yes, mysteriously similar indeed! So modeling tape (I have some tamiya tape), that I cut the round patterns into? And curse my clubmates for making me do these in 1/56. The thin exposed resin barrels are just breaking and falling off non-stop, and I can't find anyone that makes suitable metal barrels in 1/56. In the meantime, there's tons and tons of secondary market 1/48 barrels for my German tanks. But they are plastic kits, and not falling apart like these inferior resin 1/56 tanks. lilljonas fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Man Salute is on my list seeing all the photos the last few years. Saw they were selling the new SAGA book, looks amazing
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I was looking into going this year but it seems that Cityjet are poo poo at actually flying on weekends and going anywhere else requires way more cash and way more travel time. Next year (or more likely the year after) I might manage to book far enough in advance to not get shafted on flights.
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Here's my Salute walk-through: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jXsRKW3Of0 Just about every table, vendor and club is in there, so you can see what it was like. No commentary from me in it, mostly because I don't know most of the historical games but if you're wondering what it was like there you go.
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Were you wearing the Tiny Spaceman hoody or was that another goon. Coz if so I walked past you but felt it would be a tad awkward to say hi then explain to my son who this random person was? In other post Salute decisions I've decided that since my regular playdate has lots of 15mm Naps I should get another period so after seeing all the Warlord 28mm AWI stuff I want to do that. Just in 15mm. I also realise I know nothing about the AWI other than something about tea leaves and Boston. Any suggestions guys, especially ColonialAF?
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Serotonin posted:Were you wearing the Tiny Spaceman hoody or was that another goon. Coz if so I walked past you but felt it would be a tad awkward to say hi then explain to my son who this random person was? That was me! And it's the only Tiny Plastic Spacmen hoody that exists so it was definitely me  You should have said hi, there were several goons in attendance, one or two from the Dropzone thread and a couple of from the 40K thread. I *may* go to the UK Games Expo but not sure yet, tbh Salute is too short I think and there were a few stands I missed checking out (McVey, Red Box and several old school British companies like Aintsy and Perry). But I'll see most of the ones I missed in Derby anyway.
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Played my first game of Team Yankee today. It was fun! I used to play FOW quite a while back now but dropped out as I always found it played a little clunky and counter-intuitive. Happily, I'm pleased to report that the TY version of the ruleset has been tidied up nicely and the game is fast and Killy. Found the different types of units pretty balanced too - air power didn't seem too OTT to us, as that other poster commented earlier in the thread. I really like the unit cards - no more looking through the books trying to remind yourself what the actual umpteen different special rules mean. Card says you need a 4+ to cross the river, then you need a 4+. Only issue is that it seems very, very difficult for the Americans to stand a fighting chance, with their expensive tanks and small units. The Abrams is double the cost of a T-72, for which you get another dice of shooting and slightly better armour.
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