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I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/720890542884671488

heh

https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/720886196021239809

https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/720887900427005952

https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/720888721134845952

https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/720889200522833920

https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/720889379766411264

https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/720889811918172161

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I would blow Dane Cook fucked around with this message at 10:16 on Apr 15, 2016

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Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
PSA: Katering show season 2 has started on iview.

Lizard Combatant
Sep 29, 2010

I have some notes.

Zenithe posted:

PSA: Katering show season 2 has started on iview.

Test result: it was good

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

Lizard Combatant posted:

Test result: it was good

Not as good as last season so far, still good though.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
:barf:

quote:

Talking Point: The best six happen to be men

AS a young female member of the Liberal Party of Australia, I am dismayed by some of the ill-informed commentary over the past days regarding our recently preselected senate ticket.

Our ticket, determined in anticipation of a double dissolution election in July, includes people who range in age, profession, background, interests and experiences — people who all happen to be men.

Since the confirmation of that ticket over the weekend, we have seen an array of failed female former candidates complaining that the Liberal Party does not support women to run for elected office.

To say that the party does not encourage female talent dismisses the significant contribution we see from women like Attorney-General Vanessa Goodwin, Speaker of the House of Assembly Elise Archer, Human Services Minister Jacquie Petrusma, and Senior Vice President of the Tasmanian Liberal Party Wendy Summers.

It does a disservice to our federal candidate for Franklin Amanda-Sue Markham, an intensive care nurse with an unrivalled sense of community connection and purpose, who I cannot wait to see elected come July.


And finally, it ignores the fact that, at the last Federal Election in 2013, the party preselected two new faces for our senate ticket, both of whom were female; and were it not for the senate voting system at the time and Clive Palmer’s resources in that same contest, we would have seen Sally Chandler representing us in Canberra.

Gender imbalance in politics is not a new story.

It is interesting to note that in Tasmania, the Greens have two male senators in the Federal Parliament, while in State Parliament the party is represented exclusively by females. The Labor Party, meanwhile, does not currently have any Tasmanian men in the Federal Parliament, although this may change at the upcoming election.

I cannot deny that a slight majority of Liberal Party members are male, and that the gender divide within the youth wing of the party is wider; these statistics were considered by the Menzies Research Centre in their Gender and Politics report published just last year.

This week, I have heard it suggested that the Liberal Party should implement quotas. The reality of the situation (as the MRC report concluded) is that the concept of quotas does not sit comfortably with liberal thinking, and as a woman, it certainly does not sit comfortably with me.

I am confident that the future of the party is in good hands in terms of engaging women and encouraging them as leaders.

As only the third woman to rise to the pinnacle of youth representation in my party as federal president of the Young Liberals (our current Defence Minister Marise Payne was the first and a fellow Tasmanian the second), I am proud to be in this position not on the basis of gender, but on the basis that I was the best person for the job.

I am also proud to have represented Tasmania on the federal Young Liberal executive in 2015 when three of the seven state and territory Young Liberal presidents were women — again, all three of us elected on merit, not because we were female.

Some of the most hardworking, intelligent, inspirational young women I know, I have met through the Young Liberals. At the same time, I would not be in my current position if it was not for the support, friendship and encouragement I have received from men in the Liberal Party, both the young and not-so-young — none more so than Senator Abetz, Senator Bushby and Jonathon Duniam. These men have always been exceptionally supportive of me as well as other women in the party. It fills me with pride to know that not only is our party fostering the female leaders of tomorrow, but also that our young male members are actively encouraging them.

I am confident that the future of the party is in good hands in terms of engaging women and encouraging them as leaders.

Could the Liberal Party, and particularly the youth wing, do more to engage with women at the grassroots level? Of course. In political movements, we are not in the business of stepping back and deciding that the job of engaging with the community is done and we need not bother anymore. We can always be doing more to engage with young people as well, and in that respect I could not be happier to see a fresh face like Jonathon Duniam preselected in a winnable spot over the weekend.

One factor that cannot be ignored is that politics is not an easy vocation to pursue — a sometimes difficult profession, as our first female Speaker Ms Archer put it earlier this week.

It certainly is not a 9am to 5pm job, significant travel and time away from family and friends is required, and the constant scrutiny from other politicians, the media, and the broader public can take a significant personal toll.

To that extent, I think a broader conversation needs to be had across the political spectrum as to how we can make the prospect of parliamentary service not only more attractive but also more accessible for women.

But to single out a senate ticket to support a complaint that the Liberal Party neither values nor appreciates women? That simply denigrates the broader contribution our women continue to make.

Claire Chandler is a former Tasmanian Young Liberals president and the current federal president of the Young Liberal Movement of Australia.


Futuresight
Oct 11, 2012

IT'S ALL TURNED TO SHIT!
If the Liberals adopt a quota that might mean unqualified people get selected

Lizard Combatant
Sep 29, 2010

I have some notes.

Zenithe posted:

Not as good as last season so far, still good though.

Oh there's more than one ep out? Back to it then

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

Lizard Combatant posted:

Oh there's more than one ep out? Back to it then

Nah, just the one so far. Just don't think it's on par with the first seasons episodes.

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

Zenithe posted:

Nah, just the one so far. Just don't think it's on par with the first seasons episodes.

Nope. I have watched 3 eps so far today.

Lizard Combatant
Sep 29, 2010

I have some notes.

Frogmanv2 posted:

Nope. I have watched 3 eps so far today.

Yeah, ep 2 was intense.

Nothing's ever going to top the sugarless song though

Seagull
Oct 9, 2012

give me a chip
episode two was the closest i've come to vomiting in months

Pickled Tink
Apr 28, 2012

Have you heard about First Dog? It's a very good comic I just love.

Also, wear your bike helmets kids. I copped several blows to the head but my helmet left me totally unscathed.



Finally you should check out First Dog as it's a good comic I like it very much.
Fun Shoe

Higsian posted:

If the Liberals adopt a quota that might mean unqualified people get selected
And how is that any different to the current system?

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Pickled Tink posted:

And how is that any different to the current system?

:thejoke:

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Episode 2 was ... well, lets just say that it's comparable to some of the people I've met in the past who won't shut the gently caress up abut how good placenta tastes.

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
if Bill Shorten becomes prime minister i will move to cambodia

(he is not going to become prime minister)

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

tithin posted:

Episode 2 was ... well, lets just say that it's comparable to some of the people I've met in the past who won't shut the gently caress up abut how good placenta tastes.

Did these people ever bisect themselves and sprout wings? If so it sounds like you're dealing with a Manananggal

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.
After that Baileys gag, all is forgiven.

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Anyone know what their policy on nuclear is? Could be a game changer.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Cartoon posted:

Anyone know what their policy on nuclear is? Could be a game changer.

I imagine their position is contingent on whether it lowers their power bill or not. They would likely support waste generated power using the bodies of newstart recipients if it would cut $10 off their quarterly bill.

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

Tokamak posted:

I imagine their position is contingent on whether it lowers their power bill or not. They would likely support waste generated power using the bodies of newstart recipients if it would cut $10 off their quarterly bill.

We should look into this.

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Zenithe posted:

After that Baileys gag, all is forgiven.

GF and I marathoned the series last night and by the end I'm of the opinion that it is even better than the first season.

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe
I like both Cruz and Trump. I’m not as passionate about them as some; I’m merely pragmatic: I like anyone who can stop America’s descent into socialism or, better yet, reverse the course entirely. I also realise that America has come to a point when having big ideas is no longer enough; in order to shake up the system and get the economy moving the next president must also be a bigger-than-life mover and shaker.

Wheezle
Aug 13, 2007

420 stop boats erryday

Skellybones posted:

I like both Cruz and Trump. I’m not as passionate about them as some; I’m merely pragmatic: I like anyone who can stop America’s descent into socialism or, better yet, reverse the course entirely. I also realise that America has come to a point when having big ideas is no longer enough; in order to shake up the system and get the economy moving the next president must also be a bigger-than-life mover and shaker.

:barf:

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

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Senor Tron posted:

GF and I marathoned the series last night and by the end I'm of the opinion that it is even better than the first season.

We're torn; they're both awesome and I can't wait till season three, assuming they don't kayfabe kill each other.

Bifauxnen
Aug 12, 2010

Curses! Foiled again!


Imagine being someone alive today who thinks neoliberalism isn't doing well enough. Imagine living in this world and thinking socialism has gone too far. Wow.

Negligent
Aug 20, 2013

Its just lovely here this time of year.
Imagine Justin Trudeau's dreamy face ... unf

LibertyCat
Mar 5, 2016

by WE B Bourgeois
Greens plan to raise refugee intake to 50,000

quote:

The number of asylum seekers resettled in Australia would rise dramatically under a new Greens proposal.

Under the plan, to be launched on Saturday, 40,000 asylum seekers would be resettled on humanitarian grounds every year - an increase by about 26,000 taken in by Australia in 2014-15.

A further 10,000 would be taken in as part of a skills program, while offshore detention facilities on Manus Island and Nauru would be shut.


'Australia doesn't need to respond to people seeking our protection by turning our backs or locking them up,' Greens leader Richard Di Natale said in a statement.

Greens immigration spokesperson Sarah Hanson-Young said closing offshore detention facilities enabled the program to be 'cost-neutral'.

'Closing down Manus and Nauru would save almost $3 billion dollars,' she told Sky News on Saturday.

'That is an awful lot of money to keep 2000 people - men, women and children - detained on those island camps.'

'Our nation has been built of the back of migrants coming here for a better life, we've had such a positive history in this,' she said.

'Sadly the last few years that has gone to the wayside and we've been tarnished with the children in detention and the issues of scandals inside our detention centres and this kind of cruel policy.

Senator Hanson-Young said the proposed plan is different because it does not simply involve closing offshore camps, but puts in place a 'proactive strategy' to help people arrive in Australia safely.

'Our current policy uses the abuse of children in detention centres as a deterrent,' she said.

Labor has expressed concern with the policy, saying it could lead to an opening of seaways.

Federal Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said a clear message had to be sent to people smugglers against sending people to Australia by boat.

'There is no compassion in rewarding people smugglers and their business model to entice vulnerable people onto unsafe boats, then they drown at sea,' he said.

This certainly won't hurt jobs and encourage people smugglers, resulting in more deaths at sea. How many terrorists will this bring into the country?

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/DavidLeyonhjelm/status/721191805392277505

LibertyCat
Mar 5, 2016

by WE B Bourgeois
While the dude in my av is growing on me I really want my Leyonhjelm's Cat av back

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

LibertyCat posted:

Greens plan to raise refugee intake to 50,000


This certainly won't hurt jobs and encourage people smugglers, resulting in more deaths at sea. How many terrorists will this bring into the country?

Greens supporting a big Australia always strikes me as a bit strange.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

LibertyCat posted:

This certainly won't hurt jobs and encourage people smugglers, resulting in more deaths at sea. How many terrorists will this bring into the country?

Come on, man, you can do better than regurgitating the playbook. I'll grant that pulling the 'jobs' card is a new one for this, but it really is irrelevant since much of the detention center employment comes from the local area (or is part of Transfield, which I'm sure can find other places to put them since they're a huge company).

As for a potential increase in terrorists coming here? Unlikely. People smuggling is loving hard and has too low a chance of success, especially given our penchant for offshore detention, our reputation for which wouldn't go away overnight.

Then we've got the increase in refugee intake by 26k, which is a decent increase--more than double. We'd be increasing our chance of terrorism from this by over 100%! ...Which would be a compelling increase if it weren't for the fact that our count of refugee terrorists so far is approximately zero. The only terrorist we've had in recent history at all is Monis, who was a very long-term problem person who got radicalized.

So logically, we're actually more at risk of terrorism by radicalized citizens than refugees by a factor of approximately infinity%. So what we need to be wary of is radicalization, and finding ways to curb it... and as it happens, we know that treating people who might potentially be radicalized like actual human beings substantially reduces the chance of them becoming radicalized. It's almost like, if you don't treat people like poo poo, they won't turn to people who offer a horrible way out.

So, to answer your question: No, no, very no, you're an idiot.

LibertyCat
Mar 5, 2016

by WE B Bourgeois
I meant the increase in skilled migration. Why? It's not like we have massive skills shortages any more. The boom is over.

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

remember, friends

LibertyCat posted:

I am not kidding when I say I was more moved during the events of the Mass Effect series than I ever was by the works of Beethoven or Leonardo da Vinci.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

BBJoey posted:

remember, friends

I can't disagree with this.

Rage and frustration are emotions I felt very strongly about Mass Effect 2, moreso than any emotion I've felt while looking at artwork and listening to music. I wouldn't say that's a positive for Mass Effect 2, though, because it's part of a very exclusive club of things I can talk your ear off about why they suck.

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe

LibertyCat posted:

I meant the increase in skilled migration. Why? It's not like we have massive skills shortages any more. The boom is over.

The free market will sort it out.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

LibertyCat posted:

Greens plan to raise refugee intake to 50,000


This certainly won't hurt jobs and encourage people smugglers, resulting in more deaths at sea. How many terrorists will this bring into the country?

lol

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]




get the two kates to host

Pickled Tink
Apr 28, 2012

Have you heard about First Dog? It's a very good comic I just love.

Also, wear your bike helmets kids. I copped several blows to the head but my helmet left me totally unscathed.



Finally you should check out First Dog as it's a good comic I like it very much.
Fun Shoe

LibertyCat posted:

While the dude in my av is growing on me I really want my Leyonhjelm's Cat av back
Quit asking for a handout like some useless welfare bludger and buy it yourself.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Economic Inequality Complaints Are Just A Cover For Anti-Rich Prejudice
It’s not fair to blame individuals for other people’s wrongdoing. Yet we let envy-peddlers get away with it when unfairly attacking rich people.
APRIL 14, 2016 By Don Watkins
In the wake of the endless controversies surrounding Donald Trump’s campaign, it’s easy to forget that most of us rightfully pride ourselves on our opposition to racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, and other forms of unjust discrimination. But we rarely even discuss another prevalent form of prejudice: the demonization and dehumanization of the successful. This prejudice is central to today’s chief economic concern: the campaign against economic inequality.

Not everyone worried about our economic challenges is bigoted, of course. There are real problems we all should be concerned about, whether it’s declining opportunity (especially for those starting at the bottom), slowing economic progress, the pitiful state of education, or the political favors bestowed on some businesses.

In our new book on inequality, “Equal Is Unfair: America’s Misguided Fight Against Income Inequality,” my co-author Yaron Brook and I address those problems and many others. But whatever one’s view of our challenges, nothing can justify the way many—including presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders—are treating those who have achieved economic success.

The Double Standards for Rich People
Consider just a few of the behaviors that inequality critics apparently consider acceptable when dealing with wealthy Americans.

Collective Judgments. Virtually everyone agrees we should judge people by their actions and the content of their character, not by the (real or manufactured) sins or shortcomings of other members of whatever group they happen to belong to.

Replace ‘the rich’ with ‘Hispanics’ or ‘women’ or ‘Jews’ in that sentence, and ask yourself: isn’t this precisely the sort of prejudice we object to when it is targeted at other groups?
Regarding businessmen, for example, we should condemn those who lie, cheat, and steal. But we should condemn them as individuals for their dishonest and predatory actions. By the same token, we should praise individuals who earn their wealth through ingenuity and effort—not make them pay for other people’s sins.

Yet what we hear from today’s inequality critics is across-the-board denunciations of successful businessmen. Sanders contends “the business model of Wall Street”—which employees hundreds of thousands of productive Americans—“is fraud.” A headline for a Sean McElwee article in Salon tells us “Rich white people are ruining the planet.” Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett write in their popular book “The Spirit Level” that “Rather than adopting an attitude of gratitude toward the rich, we need to recognize what a damaging effect they have on the social fabric.” Replace “the rich” with “Hispanics” or “women” or “Jews” in that sentence, and ask yourself: isn’t this precisely the sort of prejudice we object to when it is targeted at other groups?

Dehumanization. Prejudice encourages dehumanization—it encourages demonizing “the other” so they are seen as less than human and therefore unworthy of respect. This is precisely what inequality critics are trying to do to “the 1 percent.”

To take just one example, Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman has claimed that rich Americans are “less likely to exhibit empathy, less likely to respect norms and even laws, more likely to cheat, than those occupying lower rungs on the economic ladder”—they are, in short, “spoiled egomaniacs.” Well, if so, what concern should we have for their rights and their dignity?

The Wealthy Are People, Too
A common myth is that you cannot be a victim of injustice unless you are powerless or disadvantaged, or that an injustice is okay if it’s aimed at someone who isn’t powerless or disadvantaged. But those are nothing more than crude rationalizations for injustice.

Isn’t it an indictment of our society when good people are treated like villains?
We need to ask ourselves: Do we really think of rich individuals as human beings? Or do we view them as cartoon villains—one-dimensional stereotypes not dissimilar to the caricatures propagated by racists, misogynists, and Jew-haters?

When I discuss unfair treatment of successful businessmen, I almost always hear comments like, “Oh, boohoo. What do the rich have to complain about? Look at everything they have!” This reflects a crass materialism, which amounts to the notion that money solves everything, and that no one can be hurt by or object to mistreatment unless he’s poor.

But have we ever stopped to ask ourselves: What if a rich individual’s dreams mean as much to him as my dreams do to me? What if he wants to be respected for his achievements the way I want to be respected for mine? What if he has made himself into a moral human being—doesn’t he deserve respect and admiration, and isn’t it an indictment of our society when good people are treated like villains?

A Cynical Justification for Government-Sponsored Injustice
Exploitation. When prejudice gets injected into the political system, it leads to the government inflicting tremendous injustices on the victims.

All of it is aimed at erasing the knowledge that economically successful individuals are human beings and that exploiting other human beings is wrong.
More and more, our political system treats economically successful Americans as resources for “society’s” desires rather than as sovereign individuals with an inalienable right to their own pursuit of happiness. Witness, for example, the plans Democratic candidates have for this country. Free health care—paid for by “the rich.” Free college—paid for by “the rich.” Larger Social Security payments—paid for by “the rich.”

Of course, these demands are supported by the claim that “the rich” aren’t paying their “fair share.” Set aside the fact that affluent Americans bear the vast, vast majority of the tax burden. Do we ever so much as ask: Did they honestly earn their money? Did they gain it by dealing voluntarily with other people, through an incalculable number of win-win trades? Don’t they have a right to use their wealth to pursue their own hopes and dreams—the same way we each have the right to use our wealth to pursue our hopes and dreams?

No, we don’t ask those questions. Preventing us from asking those questions is the goal of the demonization and dehumanization of “the rich.” Whether it’s President Obama dismissing individual achievement when he declares “you didn’t build that,” or Sanders claiming it is immoral for some people to prosper while others are struggling, or Barbara Ehrenreich arguing that “To the extent that any demonization is going on, one can’t help thinking that the rich have been, perhaps inadvertently, asking for it”—all of it is aimed at erasing the knowledge that economically successful individuals are human beings and that exploiting other human beings is wrong.

Stripping the Rewards of Virtue
This is prejudice, plain and simple. What’s worse, it is not directed toward traits that have no bearing on a person’s character, it is directed at something that is in fact a moral achievement.

Business success—that is, making a profit through productive achievement, not special favors from Washington—is something that deserves our respect and admiration. As we argue in “Equal Is Unfair,” this kind of success is enormously difficult, and it is profoundly virtuous.

We live in an advanced technological society, and enjoy a level of wealth, health, comfort, and opportunity that our ancestors could not have dreamed of. What made it possible? The effort of producers, on every level of ability, but with the most credit going to the men and women of extraordinary ability: the inventors, entrepreneurs, and investors who drive progress—and earn a fortune in the process.

It’s time we stopped saying “screw you” and started saying “thank you.”

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BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Anidav posted:

Economic Inequality Complaints Are Just A Cover For Anti-Rich Prejudice

neoliberalism is super loving good

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