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Sheep-Goats posted:Put it Reddit and watch those autistic retards implode. *makes long argument against tipping saying greedy, awful employers are the ones to blame for not paying more* And *against minimum wage even existing* Seem to have a lot of overlap on Reddit
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mooyashi posted:*makes long argument against tipping saying greedy, awful employers are the ones to blame for not paying more* Surely the best way to ensure bar and restaurant staff are paid adequately is to pass 100% of the money you pay into the owner's hands and let them give back to their employees as they see fit.
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Sheep-Goats posted:Surely the best way to ensure bar and restaurant staff are paid adequately is to pass 100% of the money you pay into the owner's hands and let them give back to their employees as they see fit. They tried that poo poo in a few places in San Francisco. I think they ended up paying their employees $15/hr. then immediately lost all their good staff and ended up switching back. But not before complaining that the only reason it failed was because the market wasn't ready for it. There was a lot of "for the people" hipster talk that really just amounted to "loving over our staff with poo poo wages doesn't work if they can easily go next door and make better money." Edit: And the only thing worse is when they try to distribute tips amongst the whole staff. Why in the gently caress should I try to make money to split with a dishwasher? Pay your own staff you motherfuckers. CubanMissile fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Apr 9, 2016 |
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CubanMissile posted:They tried that poo poo in a few places in San Francisco. I think they ended up paying their employees $15/hr. then immediately lost all their good staff and ended up switching back. But not before complaining that the only reason it failed was because the market wasn't ready for it. There was a lot of "for the people" hipster talk that really just amounted to "loving over our staff with poo poo wages doesn't work if they can easily go next door and make better money." Worked at a place that got its rear end sued for operating an illegal tip pool by one of its former employees. Got a fat $32.28 check out of that one. Thanks for the change, cunts!
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It was probably a lot more than $15 an hour - that's minimum wage as of 2018, plus a lot of paid healthcare.
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CubanMissile posted:They tried that poo poo in a few places in San Francisco. I think they ended up paying their employees $15/hr. then immediately lost all their good staff and ended up switching back. But not before complaining that the only reason it failed was because the market wasn't ready for it. There was a lot of "for the people" hipster talk that really just amounted to "loving over our staff with poo poo wages doesn't work if they can easily go next door and make better money." I feel for the back of house guys, I really do, but the tipouts have to end somewhere.
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FaceEater posted:Worked at a place that got its rear end sued for operating an illegal tip pool by one of its former employees. Got a fat $32.28 check out of that one. Thanks for the change, cunts! That's alright, the lawyer that filed the papers made 9K on the deal. Gave about 550 (for that week) to the paralegal who actually wrote the case up.
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MAKE NO BABBYS posted:Kozy Kar is for real a shithole. This guy knows. It did not completely ruin my life. It helped catalyze the end of a serious relationship for me, so I wound up taking a train to New Orleans and have been happier ever since. How! fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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CubanMissile posted:They tried that poo poo in a few places in San Francisco. I think they ended up paying their employees $15/hr. then immediately lost all their good staff and ended up switching back. But not before complaining that the only reason it failed was because the market wasn't ready for it. There was a lot of "for the people" hipster talk that really just amounted to "loving over our staff with poo poo wages doesn't work if they can easily go next door and make better money." edit: One place just published that everything on their menu is now more expensive. twodot fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Apr 11, 2016 |
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How! posted:This guy knows. I am a woman. twodot posted:A significant portion of high end places in Seattle have switched to a "We don't expect tips, but we do a required 20% surcharge that gets distributed amongst the staff in interesting ways" model which seems to be working. I think most of the give some portion to the back of house. I manage multiple bar programs for a very large restaurant in SF. We openly calculate prices based on the cost of labor, not "food cost" any more. The price of the actual ingredients is the least important factor in the equation now.
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MAKE NO BABBYS posted:I am a woman. Sorry, couldn't tell through my computer screen. All the best.
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MAKE NO BABBYS posted:I am a woman. Is CA a tip credit state? Or do bars and restaurants have to pay min wage?
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MAKE NO BABBYS posted:It was probably a lot more than $15 an hour - that's minimum wage as of 2018, plus a lot of paid healthcare. Every article I've read about it says $15/hr. twodot posted:A significant portion of high end places in Seattle have switched to a "We don't expect tips, but we do a required 20% surcharge that gets distributed amongst the staff in interesting ways" model which seems to be working. I think most of them give some portion to the back of house. That's gotta create some serious tax complications. CubanMissile fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Apr 12, 2016 |
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navyjack posted:Is CA a tip credit state? Or do bars and restaurants have to pay min wage? Minimum wage.
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CubanMissile posted:That's gotta create some serious tax complications.
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So fellow bartenders: the bar I work at we bring our own tools. Shaker, wine key, bottle opener, strainer, jigger, pens etc. I need some recommendations on a bag. I've been using a crown bag which works, but I think it's kinda tacky, and am tired of people asking questions about it. Any advice?
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Old Man Pants posted:So fellow bartenders: the bar I work at we bring our own tools. Shaker, wine key, bottle opener, strainer, jigger, pens etc. I need some recommendations on a bag. I've been using a crown bag which works, but I think it's kinda tacky, and am tired of people asking questions about it. Any advice? Who asks questions? Customers? Friends? Random people on your commute, if you walk/take public transport? Personally I wouldn't be bothered by the questions about a CR bag, but if you're walking there or something, you could get one of those small drawstring backpacks just to make it a little easier. If it's just the CR logo - dye it black maybe?
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Shooting Blanks posted:Who asks questions? Customers? Friends? Random people on your commute, if you walk/take public transport? Bring back the fanny pack!
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Shooting Blanks posted:Who asks questions? Customers? Friends? Random people on your commute, if you walk/take public transport? Customers ask questions (we don't carry apple cr), people on public transport stare at it and I have multiple people ask me "can I get a drink?" If I decide to go anywhere after work, I get (understandably) hassled about outside alcohol, I drive home from the train station and a CT bag might look suspicious to the law, so it's for a number or reasons really. Just using some rit to dye it is a good idea, but ideally I'd like something a little nicer. I should add, I keep a pint glass in my shaker since my bar has weird glassware, so I'd rather it not be banging around in a backpack.
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This is what I would use if I was a fancypants bartender and money wasn't an object: http://twelvetwentyfour-cocktails.myshopify.com/collections/traveler-series/products/traveler-2-0 Ive also seen this used: http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/ChowDown-Personal-Cooler-Large-p2321.htm Or this if I already had a bar tools roll and just needed space for a mixing glass and shaker: http://www.cocktailkingdom.com/all-barware/bags-case/leather-bar-tool-bag But all this poo poo is way too expensive so I'd probably just find a cheap thermal lunch bag with a washable liner.
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I don't know why I'm surprised that people are making specialty bags for bartenders, I really shouldn't be.
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I just chuck everything into a cheap-rear end jansport backpack. Like 4 sets of shakers, pourers, muddler, strainers, spoon, knife, tiny cutting board, tongs, etc. But I do have a Crown Royal bag for my pourers* inside the backpack. *and also my d20s
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Rotten Cookies posted:
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You bring your own pourers? Do you mean spillstop 285-50s or am I way off base? I can't imagine a bar that would allow, much less require a bartender to bring their own pour spouts.
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CubanMissile posted:But all this poo poo is way too expensive so I'd probably just find a cheap thermal lunch bag with a washable liner. Those bags are crazy expensive, the lunch bag idea is solid, thanks!
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Shooting Blanks posted:I don't know why I'm surprised that people are making specialty bags for bartenders, I really shouldn't be. I think I would order a small duffel bag off of Amazon in the OPs place but I don't know / don't care that much
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Old Man Pants posted:Those bags are crazy expensive, the lunch bag idea is solid, thanks! This looks like it'll do fine: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0176ZSEMW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awd_q2gexbX2DS19Y
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13 bucks http://www.amazon.com/Small-Overnight-Leatherette-Travel-Bag/dp/B00FC4ABD0 
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Get an old west doctor bag lol
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Sheep-Goats posted:13 bucks Ordered. Derail over!
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Shooting Blanks posted:You bring your own pourers? Do you mean spillstop 285-50s or am I way off base? The pourers are for myself, I just keep them in my bag with all my other poo poo because I will someones bring my bag to a friend's party and start making drinks n poo poo. The bar I worked at has their own pourers.
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Rotten Cookies posted:The pourers are for myself, I just keep them in my bag with all my other poo poo because I will someones bring my bag to a friend's party and start making drinks n poo poo. As someone who has never worked in the bar industry, is bartenders having to supply all of their own equipment a pretty common thing? It just seems weird to me.
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I'm guessing (and this is just a guess) that policy happened because some prima donna bartender(s) bitched about the provided equipment one too many times. Chefs use their own equipment all the time, so I don't think it's that weird.
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10 Beers posted:As someone who has never worked in the bar industry, is bartenders having to supply all of their own equipment a pretty common thing? It just seems weird to me. It's not particularly common. Bottle opener and wine key are about as far as it normally goes. The only time I pack my own gear with muddler and strainer and spoon and all is when I'm working a catered do of some kind. Because of where OMP works, they might not have a lot of storage or great places to stash bar tools where you can be sure they're still going to be there when you come back for the next shift because I think they totally or partially break down the bar after the last service of the day. Under those circumstances, I'd probably bring my kit just in case so I didn't have to share if something went missing. Btw: OldManPants, I'm starting at the Hilton around the corner from you this week!
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10 Beers posted:As someone who has never worked in the bar industry, is bartenders having to supply all of their own equipment a pretty common thing? It just seems weird to me. It depends on the sort of bar but in general no. Most bartenders bring a wine key and a bottle opener because if the bar supplies those people walk home with them and leave them home (on accident, any bartender will already have nine or ten of each in a drawer somewhere from previous jobs / liquor promoters / etc). You don't really need very much. A shaker tin and a wine key (that can open bottles) are enough to bruteforce anything.
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navyjack posted:
Nice! Drinks at corner office soon?
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Regionally big for their britches jam band played tonight in a college town on 4/20. Everyone had money for the cover and their tabs, no vomit or fights, talent didn't fuss over the take and we got out of there at a reasonable hour. Truly a Weed Christmas Miracle.
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Old Man Pants posted:Nice! Drinks at corner office soon? For sure. See what my schedule looks like after training.
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You guys keep saying "wine key" and "bottle opener" like both jobs aren't done by the one kind of wine key that everyone has and it's honestly freaking me out. Also I worked my first solo bar shift at the restaurant I've been at for 2.5 years yesterday and it went really well! We're a pretty big restaurant, around maybe 150-170 seats depending if the patios are open, as well as a ~30 seat bar, so it was intimidating at first. But I held down service drinks, bar guests, and changed a keg mid-shift with no trouble. We did 200 covers on the floor and the MOD said I did a fantastic job, plus it was his birthday so I freestyled a modified Martinez for his shift drink. 1.5 each Barr Hill Old Tom Gin, Bols Genever, Carpano Antica vermouth; 2 bar spoons Luxardo; 2 dashes orange bitters; toasted orange peel. A success all around. My first PM service bar shift is Saturday night, I'll report back with how much my butthole gets stretched.
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