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XMNN posted:that's all a bonus but if literally the only thing they did was fight violent racists in the street because they enjoy it that would actually be pretty ok and positive imho because violent racists seem p bad, to me "Thats just like your opinion man" -a piece of poo poo liberal coward
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My great grandparents didn't fight in World War two so a bunch of punk antifascists could beat up fascists.
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Some people ITT need to actually do some critical thinking about what violence/force actually is and how it applies to society and laws. IE a law is forced upon you via the threat of violence. Most people are ok with this setup. Why? Because violence works. You can say it doesn't but no one will hear you because violence has made you A) Exiled B) Imprisoned C) Submissive or D) Dead. Now you can fight society and laws with your own violence and if you win, congratulations you're now the king. Strangely enough those fields full of dead liberals aren't saying violence doesn't work anymore.
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Apr 15, 2016 18:18
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As if Truro isn't a shithole in its own right.XMNN posted:if the anti fascists stick to beating the poo poo out of fascists id ont give a gently caress if theyr thugs
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Apr 15, 2016 18:25
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Gonzo McFee posted:My great grandparents didn't fight in World War two so a bunch of punk antifascists could beat up fascists. Your great grandparents? Did England conscript loads of old people during WW2?
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Apr 15, 2016 18:28
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Also this is bad for... Cameron? http://www.lingscars.com/
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Regarde Aduck posted:Some people ITT need to actually do some critical thinking about what violence/force actually is and how it applies to society and laws. IE a law is forced upon you via the threat of violence. Most people are ok with this setup. Why? Because violence works. You can say it doesn't but no one will hear you because violence has made you A) Exiled B) Imprisoned C) Submissive or D) Dead. Now you can fight society and laws with your own violence and if you win, congratulations you're now the king. Strangely enough those fields full of dead liberals aren't saying violence doesn't work anymore. I find that a bit patronising, I've analysed critical and thought about violence and its effectiveness quite a bit and completely aware of state monopolisation of violence and yes of course violence is effective. I know that and simple dont like violence in any form be it physical or symbolic and I cant support its use at all, if you people want to say that makes me a coward I dont give a poo poo but I fully understand the arguments around this.
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Apr 15, 2016 18:30
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big scary monsters posted:Also this is bad for... Cameron? What the hell is this? 
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That's only bad for Cameron if you manage to get him to click the link and he has to look at it.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Some people ITT need to actually do some critical thinking about what violence/force actually is and how it applies to society and laws. IE a law is forced upon you via the threat of violence. Most people are ok with this setup. Why? Because violence works. You can say it doesn't but no one will hear you because violence has made you A) Exiled B) Imprisoned C) Submissive or D) Dead. Now you can fight society and laws with your own violence and if you win, congratulations you're now the king. Strangely enough those fields full of dead liberals aren't saying violence doesn't work anymore.
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StoneOfShame posted:I find that a bit patronising, I've analysed critical and thought about violence and its effectiveness quite a bit and completely aware of state monopolisation of violence and yes of course violence is effective. I know that and simple dont like violence in any form be it physical or symbolic and I cant support its use at all, if you people want to say that makes me a coward I dont give a poo poo but I fully understand the arguments around this. Equating those people with fascists or dismissing them as thugs makes you sound like a gigantic piece of poo poo.
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Miftan posted:Your great grandparents? Did England conscript loads of old people during WW2? Dunno how old Gonzo is but WW2 started nearly 80 years ago. At one generation every 20 years that would work out fine (especially if you're properly working class and/or from a military family).
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Apr 15, 2016 18:37
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Pesmerga posted:What the hell is this? It's a work of art the likes of which have been in sad decline ever since Geocities shut down.
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Apr 15, 2016 18:43
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Kegluneq posted:Dunno how old Gonzo is but WW2 started nearly 80 years ago. At one generation every 20 years that would work out fine (especially if you're properly working class and/or from a military family). I'm in my mid-20s and my grandfather served for England. Granted he was young at the time, but a whole generation up seems weird.
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Miftan posted:I'm in my mid-20s and my grandfather served for England. Granted he was young at the time, but a whole generation up seems weird. Your grandfather sounds like a real fascist.
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Apr 15, 2016 18:45
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Miftan posted:Your great grandparents? Did England conscript loads of old people during WW2? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkssturm
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Miftan posted:Your great grandparents? Did England conscript loads of old people during WW2? England?! how dare you. Now that's just mean.
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He was actually Polish and signed up to kill nazis. You guys wouldn't have liked him.
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Miftan posted:Your great grandparents? Did England conscript loads of old people during WW2? my great grandad was in a Nazi pow camp, although tbf my grandma was 17-18 when she had my dad
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Apr 15, 2016 19:04
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Oberleutnant posted:Principled pacifism is a legitimate choice for a person to make but you should have the awareness to accept that it must be a personal choice and you can't impose it on those who might wish to defend others, or on those who might wish to be defended from violence. That's fair and I was unfair in how I put what I meant. Edit: Apparently Farage has described Obama as the most anti-British president in history, I would have gone for George Washington for the whole independence thing. StoneOfShame fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Apr 15, 2016 19:13
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big scary monsters posted:Yeah same. That whole discussion seemed like a bunch of people going "Well of course I support fighting fascists, but only if the people doing it are a mismatched, ragtag group of plucky underdogs who don't enjoy it at all." That may have applied to others, but my opinion clearly expressed is that I'm fine with people who are prepared to fight fascists so long as they're not seeking out violence. Or as Marx would have put it: from each according to his ability...  ... to each according to his needs. 
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StoneOfShame posted:Edit: Apparently Farage has described Obama as the most anti-British president in history, I would have gone for George Washington for the whole independence thing. Andrew Jackson was probably the most anti-British president. Him or James Madison.
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Apr 15, 2016 19:32
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Guavanaut posted:George was more than happy to increase trade with Britain after he'd made it clear he wasn't going to pay taxes. He'd fit right in with modern patriotic British businessmen. Didn't Adams like, borderline pathologically despise the British crown? He's got to be up there.
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StoneOfShame posted:Edit: Apparently Farage has described Obama as the most anti-British president in history, I would have gone for George Washington for the whole independence thing. Not white enough no doubt.
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It turns out I know nothing about early 19th century history, I didn't even know there was an Anglo-American war of 1812! Edit: Yeah actually you're right I forgot how anti-British not being white was my mistake, Obama is the worst.
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Apr 15, 2016 19:50
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CoolCab posted:Didn't Adams like, borderline pathologically despise the British crown? He's got to be up there. Nah, that was Jefferson. Adams was one of the Federalists, who were generally pro-Britain, while Jefferson was the head of the Democratic Republicans who were pro-French. Jefferson's Secretary of State James Madison was also the President immediately after Jefferson & lead the US into the War of 1812.
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Apr 15, 2016 19:59
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Jedit posted:That may have applied to others, but my opinion clearly expressed is that I'm fine with people who are prepared to fight fascists so long as they're not seeking out violence. Or as Marx would have put it: from each according to his ability... Nice bum-bag that bleeding thumb person has.
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StoneOfShame posted:It turns out I know nothing about early 19th century history, I didn't even know there was an Anglo-American war of 1812! It's one of the great British battles of the 19th century which wasn't "and then the British went to Africa/Asia/Oceania and stole all their poo poo."
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Apr 15, 2016 20:07
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happyhippy posted:Not white enough no doubt. George Washington and the other Founding Fathers were more self-hating Britons, really.
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Apr 15, 2016 20:12
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My Great Grandad was in the international brigades. He wanted to bash the fash so much he went to fight for a different country to do it.
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Apr 15, 2016 20:15
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Going back a couple of pages to that little argument about whether Australia or Britain have a more terrible government? I think we're still slightly better than them right now.
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That's probably only because there aren't any offshore not-really-British islands with stupid backwards laws that Britain can build camps on that aren't already being using as tax havens or feudal fiefdoms or both. At least until Cameron's Jamaican Supermax is complete. Unrelated, I enjoyed this article: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...d-a6984411.html
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Guavanaut posted:British troops sacked Washington DC and set the White House on fire. I'm surprised it isn't covered more. Napoleonic wars at the same time stole all the limelight; the War of 1812 gets roped into that as a proxy war or a outlier brand extension We got a cool song out of it though. Thanks, Francis Scott Key.. (Two songs if you like country music: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_of_New_Orleans) nobodyssweetheart fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Apr 15, 2016 21:34
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nobodyssweetheart posted:We got a cool song out of it though. Thanks, Francis Scott Key..
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Guavanaut posted:It was Johnny Horton who wrote The Battle of New Orleans though. You quoted me before I edited while I was looking for a link. drat. edit edit: Jimmy Driftwood wrote Battle of New Orleans; Horton covered it. Ha! I still win
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Guavanaut posted:offshore not-really-British islands with stupid backwards laws I can't tell if you've forgotten about Guernsey or if that's the joke.
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big scary monsters posted:I can't tell if you've forgotten about Guernsey or if that's the joke. He mentioned the ones that are tax havens. Can't be stashing undesirables there. (It's full)
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big scary monsters posted:I can't tell if you've forgotten about Guernsey or if that's the joke. efb
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big scary monsters posted:Also this is bad for... Cameron? Ah man, I haven't seen Ling's site for a few years. I'm glad to see she's keeping it up/down to standard.
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