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Goddard was going to be the showrunner for season one, he wrote the pilot and was supposed to direct. But he left because he got the Sinister Six gig from Sony. He was still a producer for both seasons.
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Is there an obvious reason why season 2 was a bit of a ... mess? I want to think it's because DeKnight wasn't there, but that's just assuming.
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Apr 15, 2016 19:34
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I thought it was much stronger than season one.
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ufarn posted:Is there an obvious reason why season 2 was a bit of a ... mess? I want to think it's because DeKnight wasn't there, but that's just assuming. I think there was more prep-time for season 1 also.
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X-O posted:I thought it was much stronger than season one. But they didn't explain the hole 
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I can't be the only one who saw the hole as a tie in for next season/iron fist/defenders can i?
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X-O posted:I thought it was much stronger than season one. Parts of it were stronger, there other parts that were flat out incoherent. The scripts desperately needed another editing pass. And no, they didn't explain the hole, which is emblematic of the whole season really.
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Apr 15, 2016 20:22
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Those courtroom scenes 
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redbackground posted:Those courtroom scenes it's okay the courtroom scenes are Defenders tie-ins
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redbackground posted:Those courtroom scenes I guess they were bad for a legal drama but they weren't trying for tactical legal realism. I will add that I've read reviews, discussions and recaps all over the place and the only place where anyone has even mentioned an unresolved hole is on these forums. No one else cares becaue they don't have to have immediate resolution to what is obviously an ongoing plot. zoux fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Apr 15, 2016 20:44
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The courtroom scenes were great though, so I don't get the complaint. I kind of wished there were more of them in fact.
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X-O posted:The courtroom scenes were great though, so I don't get the complaint. I kind of wished there were more of them in fact. I have a journalism background so all the paper stuff was utterly ridiculous to me but I was like "this isn't a documentary about writing for a newspaper so I don't expect the narrative to suborn itself to boring rear end reality"
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X-O posted:The courtroom scenes were great though, so I don't get the complaint. I kind of wished there were more of them in fact. It was slightly annoying if you are actually a lawyer because of how ridiculous it was. But I move past that stuff quickly. "You're honor, permission to treat the witness as hostile." *Turns and gives a speech to the jury that would be shut down in 2 seconds by an objection from the prosecutor*
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I don't know how doctors or cops can watch anything. There's all kinds of poo poo like that you have to give a pass if you want narratives to work. No you can't bring people back to life with CPR, no you can't safely incapacitate someone for as long as you need by knocking them in the head, no you can't blow up propane tanks by shooting them, no you can't catch a car on fire and make it blow up with a gasoline trail. So either you let that poo poo bother you and never ever enjoy watching anything and make fidelity to reality your number one enjoyment priority or you can suspend your freaking disbelief.
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As someone who underside law well enough to know how nonsense declaring a witness hostile in order to give closing statements when you should be questioning your witness is, I still really like the Daredevil courtroom drama. I kinda hope Marvel adds She Hulk to the TV world so we can get more courtroom drama.
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X-O posted:The courtroom scenes were great though, so I don't get the complaint. I kind of wished there were more of them in fact. Mind you, I am the furthest thing from a lawyer in real life (I have an arts degree for gods sake) but here are my Courtroom Bothers: - Just the whole "she's pulled strings to move the trial up to next week!" "What strings?" "ALL OF THEM" - the court allowing protesters, with signs, in the courtroom, during testimony, in front of a jury. - Clancy Brown's testimony, while awesome because Clancy, delivered in 3rd person because I guess he expected an actual record scratch to play when he revealed the truth at the end. - that Reyes had no idea about that twist. They handwave it with the redaction but it couldn't be that classified if he's talking about it in front of everyone - Reyes in general. Ugh. - "I'd like to treat this witness as hostile! So, my closing arguments then..." - It was all so stupid.
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Courtroom realism is probably near the bottom of the list of things I care about about in any fictional work. The protesters in the courtroom with signs is the only thing I even partially agree on there. That was kind of dumb.
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The thing about the hostile witness/closing argument, which was on the face super dumb even to a person who's legal knowledge is gleaned entirely from watching Law & Order, is that Matt knew he was hosed because he heard the paid off guard tell Frank to throw the case.
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zoux posted:I will add that I've read reviews, discussions and recaps all over the place and the only place where anyone has even mentioned an unresolved hole is on these forums. No one else cares becaue they don't have to have immediate resolution to what is obviously an ongoing plot. The Hole isn't even the most interesting subplot. Karen mentions a brother and later we find out he's dead. Her reaction to the newspaper clipping immediately makes her cry. I understand it's a sad memory for her, but immediately tearing up? Something about this has traumatized her and it's not mentioned again. But no let's talk about The Hole some more. I feel a deep connection with all that dirt I don't see.
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Didn't they cover some of that in the first season? Like she probably caused it and that's why she can shoot Wesley because it's not the first time she's "killed"? And maybe it was covered up so she wouldn't go to jail or something?
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I'm gonna go with abusive junkie brother who she shoots in self-defense, as a twist the whole comic book junkie Karen angle.
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He died in a car accident. Unless you're saying the tree shot him. Does Groot have an alibi?
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Anybody have a decent screen grab of the article? I don't even remember it saying anything about a car accident, hell I don't remember them showing the article at all. Why would she be all "Does anybody else know?" about a car accident?
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SirDan3k posted:Anybody have a decent screen grab of the article? I don't even remember it saying anything about a car accident, hell I don't remember them showing the article at all. From the Netflix thread: Heathen posted:2x09
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Season 3 Karen going to become a porn star? I mean, she was in True Blood so it's not too far off.
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X-O posted:The courtroom scenes were great though, so I don't get the complaint. I kind of wished there were more of them in fact. So did I which is why Elektra is just The Worst©
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For me season 2 was okay going on good but the finale fell apart under its own weight. Everything to do with Punisher before the finale was really good but it felt like they tried to shoehorn a redemption for him at the end that fell flat.
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The whole Hand storyline in DD S2 feels like they spent most of the season going in one direction, and then abruptly jettisoned whatever their original plans were when they started writing the last couple episodes. I don’t even primarily mean stuff like the hole or the creepy kids being completely unexplained, though that’s frustrating. It’s more that very little about the Black Sky makes sense. First of all, it’s bullshit to treat Elektra being Black Sky as a big revelation, when you haven’t given us anything to go on other than “it sounds ominous” and “the Hand is evil, so whatever they want must be bad.” We don’t need to know absolutely everything, but we do need a better idea of what the actual stakes are. Secondly, the developments in the last few episodes seem to completely contradict what little exposition we’d gotten previously about Black Sky. In the S1 episode and in the earlier episodes of S2, Black Sky seems to be merely a type of mystically superpowered person that the Hand has been attempting to cultivate and/or hoard (albeit without much success), but in the final episodes of S2, suddenly it's treated as a prophecy that only refers to a singular individual. It’s just plain weird.
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It's disappointing that Daredevil season two was promoted as "Daredevil vs the Punisher" but that's only really in the first "act" of the season (i.e. first four episodes). After that, Daredevil's more concerned with the Hand, and the Punisher storyline more or less switches over to Karen. Then again, I'm not sure whether you really can stretch "Daredevil vs the Punisher" to 13 episodes.
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Wheat Loaf posted:It's disappointing that Daredevil season two was promoted as "Daredevil vs the Punisher" but that's only really in the first "act" of the season (i.e. first four episodes). After that, Daredevil's more concerned with the Hand, and the Punisher storyline more or less switches over to Karen. No, that's what people on the internet decided what it was going to be. The two trailers released before the season had one about the Punisher and one about Elektra. Barry Convex posted:Secondly, the developments in the last few episodes seem to completely contradict what little exposition we’d gotten previously about Black Sky. In the S1 episode and in the earlier episodes of S2, Black Sky seems to be merely a type of mystically superpowered person that the Hand has been attempting to cultivate and/or hoard (albeit without much success), but in the final episodes of S2, suddenly it's treated as a prophecy that only refers to a singular individual. It’s just plain weird. You guys need to watch the season again, Elektra is one of the Black Sky candidates, Stick captures her, so later when DD thwarts their Black Sky Plans they turn to Elektra once they realize what she is. zoux fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Apr 18, 2016 |
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zoux posted:No, that's what people on the internet decided what it was going to be. The two trailers released before the season had one about the Punisher and one about Elektra. Fair enough, but I'm almost sure one of the showrunners said it was going to be Daredevil vs Punisher. 
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Seriously, this Black Sky poo poo is the most basic kind of "evil chosen one" poo poo, I can't believe how many people are getting thrown by it.
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zoux posted:Seriously, this Black Sky poo poo is the most basic kind of "evil chosen one" poo poo, I can't believe how many people are getting thrown by it. Maybe it would help if we knew what a Black Sky is supposed to do or be.
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Apr 18, 2016 15:28
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A Black Sky is very mysterious and powerful. And its mystery is only exceeded by its power.
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Lurdiak posted:Maybe it would help if we knew what a Black Sky is supposed to do or be.
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Lurdiak posted:Maybe it would help if we knew what a Black Sky is supposed to do or be. Oh I'm sure they just want a kid around, the pitter patter of little feet. What the gently caress do you think the magic ninjas want with the special there can be only one child? You need to know if they are going to be the VP or the EVP of the Ushering in the Final Days Department? I think some of yall are being willfully obtuse so you can be mad at the show.
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