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lenoon posted:It's not over yet! The "purblind prank that fate could play" is sad indeed.
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lenoon posted:It's not over yet! The "purblind prank that fate could play" is sad indeed. Oh. At least we know he has a happy(ish) ending.
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lenoon posted:It's not over yet! The "purblind prank that fate could play" is sad indeed. oh nooooo 
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What could be worse than eyes like yours and like my mothers God made Browns for?
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lenoon posted:What could be worse than eyes like yours and like my mothers God made Browns for? I like that, since it was in the Whisperer, that poem was literally illegal, although not for the reason that it probably should have been. Maybe the end of the story is that he's put in poetry jail.
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Apr 15, 2016 21:35
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Everyone look at this cool picture of pike fencing
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Apr 15, 2016 21:41
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George's story is fascinating. Thank you so much for posting it.
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pthighs posted:I prefer the very special episode where someone dies, forcing them to learn the true meaning of friendship
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Just FYI, in the Civil War, whenever anybody mentions Longstreet, I laugh.  this is your fault thread
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HEY GAL posted:"don't you see? the real fortune is the one we made in our hearts." the spirit of the age was friendship
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pthighs posted:I prefer the very special episode where someone dies, forcing them to learn the true meaning of friendship It seems that Clone High is basically the sitcom this thread would write. Including this very episode.
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lenoon posted:the spirit of the age was friendship Voltaire is the guy with the best catchphrases in that show.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:you're the guy who doesn't saw off the bottom three feet of his pike Well, duh! You can keep the enemies further away with a longer pointy stick.
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lenoon posted:To You Oh my god.
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Apr 16, 2016 01:01
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Shall I compare thee to my mom
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swamp waste posted:Oh my god. What exactly does "browns" mean in this context
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Apr 16, 2016 01:19
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Ainsley McTree posted:What exactly does "browns" mean in this context shades of brown, of which there's a bunch i bet it was all he could do not to list them
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Apr 16, 2016 01:21
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Ainsley McTree posted:What exactly does "browns" mean in this context The color of their eyes. "Your eyes are why God made the color brown."
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Oh freddled gruntbuggly, Thy micturations are to me, As plurdled gabbleblotchits, On a lurgid bee, That mordiously hath blurted out, Its earted jurtles, Into a rancid festering confectious organ squealer. [drowned out by moaning and screaming] Now the jurpling slayjid agrocrustles, Are slurping hagrilly up the axlegrurts, And living glupules frart and slipulate, Like jowling meated liverslime, Groop, I implore thee, my foonting turling dromes, And hooptiously drangle me, With crinkly bindlewurdles, Or else I shall rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon, See if I don't.
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He's better than William Rees McGonagall. I was out recently and went slightly out of my way to go see this again, which I think is appropriate after Edward Mousley and Don Juan.  Now that is a killer of an epitaph.
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Dear George, most women are not flattered by comparing them to your mother. I hope this advice helps you in your future endeavors. Also, if I had to guess what happens next to George, it's that the brown slip of a girl has moved on, quite possibly to a handsome war hero
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ArchangeI posted:Dear George, most women are not flattered by comparing them to your mother. I hope this advice helps you in your future endeavors.
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Apr 16, 2016 01:50
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Nah he was just crushed when van Morrison stole his idea with "brown eyed girl"
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Guys I just realised something George is literally the star of this popular music video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oofSnsGkops It's so perfect (well, apart from the "literally stopped WWIII" background)
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Rabhadh posted:Everyone look at this cool picture of pike fencing Are the guys in the background making parts for a palisade? Because then we've got two kinds of fencing going on in one picture.
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HEY GAL posted:shades of brown, of which there's a bunch Deteriorata posted:The color of their eyes. "Your eyes are why God made the color brown." Ohh, I see. I'm not much of a poetry person, so probably the problem was that it was such a rich and complex verse that it went over my head. Probably what it was.
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Trin Tragula posted:He's better than William Rees McGonagall. There's a case to be made that all the conscripted troops didn't have much of a choice either.
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Splode posted:There's a case to be made that all the conscripted troops didn't have much of a choice either. There were no prisons for horsey conchies
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Edit:HEY GAL posted:moved on from what? i'm not sure they've ever actually spoken He did kiss her, once! They have been quietly courting for a month or two, but he hasn't heard from her since he went to prison. He hasn't heard from anyone since he went to prison, except a brief polite letter from his father when he asked for the Oxford book of English verse in Winchester. My process for identifying George's poetry in copies of the Winchester Whisperer goes like this: Sussex mentioned? Little brown slip of a girl mentioned? Is the poem crap? Is it in his handwriting? I guess it should be the other way around, but I think those tortured rhymes are pretty obvious. I read his autobiography before the whisperer and had fully expected the poetry to be pretty good, just that self deprecating George was being overly harsh with himself, but.... Nope. "Curves like yours Sussex lovers prize their downs for" Ok, in my experience women don't particularly enjoy having their bodies compared to large hill ranges but I see your point George. "Eyes like yours and like my mother's God made Browns for" This is among the worst lines of poetry ever written. For all that his poetry is really quite poo poo, he probably was considered a bit of a firebrand artist in prison. The average age of men in Winchester in 1918 was around 28-30, and the majority of them were men like Charles Cobb with his "beautiful and apocalyptic" faith. So with George writing first off yearning love poetry, then clumsy politics and finally the sex-starved stuff he writes about winchesters female population, he must have been quite a shocking voice. There are, to my knowledge, only three surviving copies of the Winchester Whisperer, and one of them is very jealously guarded and extremely inaccessible - I've seen only the frontispiece. The copy with George's long poem is from October 1918, and the copy in Friends House Library is from December. The other one is the Christmas issue - and I'm sure there will be more that emerge in the future. According to one of the COs at Winchester all the copies were smuggled out and placed "in a library in London" - but which library and where they are now eludes us. The copy we have at work turned up on eBay, and I nearly had a heart attack when I saw it. Other copies with more delicious George Baker poetry, will be out there somewhere, I'm sure of it. lenoon fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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JcDent posted:There were no prisons for horsey conchies Yeah, but a choice between war and prison still isn't much of a choice, assuming you didn't get murdered on the way to prison.
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lenoon posted:more delicious George Baker poetry
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Can any of you nerds shed some light on the mistakes made in the first war in Chechnya, and why it brings tears to the eyes of any and all T-80 fans?
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JcDent posted:Can any of you nerds shed some light on the mistakes made in the first war in Chechnya, and why it brings tears to the eyes of any and all T-80 fans? If it's the one I'm thinking of, "never send tanks into cities, especially unsupported" is the gist of it.
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Splode posted:Yeah, but a choice between war and prison still isn't much of a choice, assuming you didn't get murdered on the way to prison. War, prison, or quietly deserting while on leave! At least 1,000 men deserted from the BEF every month of WWI, except for the few really bad ones when it went higher. Neither the introduction of conscription nor the vast increase in size of the Army changed this. Lots of them never got caught. When the State runs entirely on paper, a sizeable minority have no birth certificate, and many of its bureaucrats have already gone to war, there's plenty of cracks to fall down for someone who can live on their wits.
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JcDent posted:Can any of you nerds shed some light on the mistakes made in the first war in Chechnya, and why it brings tears to the eyes of any and all T-80 fans? spectralent posted:If it's the one I'm thinking of, "never send tanks into cities, especially unsupported" is the gist of it. Essentially this. Conscripts do extra poorly. From a purely technical level: The T-80 would guzzle fuel at a constant rate, even when sitting still so it wasn't possible to idle at combat readiness for long. Many a conscript found this out the hard way when he wanted to change position after waiting for a few hours to find that he was out of fuel. This is bad when angry Chechans are attacking you with RPG's. The fuel was also blamed for being more flammable compared to diesel when hit. Lastly, the vertical stowage of the propellant cases in the auto-loader means there is a much bigger cross-sectional area exposed to fire from the sides compared to the flat-disc arrangement of the T-72. Organizational fuckups: Don't sent tanks into combat without support. Don't send tanks into urban areas without infantry. If you do, you should also try to make sure that those ERA cases actually have their explosives and plates in them. All of which were the fault of the army being such a shambles in training/morale/readiness due to the economic/political situation. So all of the above technical issues being used as a scapegoat to cover for the organizational fuckups was the death knell of the T-80. It also didn't help that the Omsk plant was in the shitter commercially speaking, being utterly dependent on government funds (the Kirov factory had long since moved out of the tank biz). UVZ was always ready to play the political angle and the the bickering of sistema networks in the Russian government/military resulted in the T-80 network/faction/tank losing and getting poo poo-canned as a result. The T-80 wasn't really much long for the world in Russian service as it was a tank that they could only have when money was no objection. Once hard economic reality set in it was rather inevitable that the T-72/90 would become the new champion. The T-72 was almost or just as good while being cheaper and the business making the tank could support itself with private business when the government wasn't taking orders. The Ukrainians kept theirs going because the Kharkov plant had become the major design works of the type towards the end of the USSR and they had even worse economic problems than the Russians. So they had to just keep stuff notionally in service as they had no money for consolidation towards a single type of tank. Keeping them around also notionally helps sell them on the world arms market. Another factor is that they designed the T-80UD aka T-84 which is a T-80 with an improved diesel engine of the T-64 put in it that much reduced it's operating costs. They also arguably had no need to do anything for themselves up until Crimea happened.
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Trin Tragula posted:War, prison, or quietly deserting while on leave! At least 1,000 men deserted from the BEF every month of WWI, except for the few really bad ones when it went higher. Neither the introduction of conscription nor the vast increase in size of the Army changed this. Lots of them never got caught. When the State runs entirely on paper, a sizeable minority have no birth certificate, and many of its bureaucrats have already gone to war, there's plenty of cracks to fall down for someone who can live on their wits. What do deserters go off and do after desertion? Do they try to blend into a small hamlet and hope nobody questions the englishman in their midst? Do they try to live on their own out in the wilderness? Do they just sneak over the battle lines to plop themselves into a POW camp?
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SlothfulCobra posted:What do deserters go off and do after desertion? Do they try to blend into a small hamlet and hope nobody questions the englishman in their midst? Do they try to live on their own out in the wilderness? Do they just sneak over the battle lines to plop themselves into a POW camp? The genealogy show "Who Do You Think You Are" included someone with a forebear who was a WWI deserter. He returned to England and lived under two names. A fake "official" one for municipal records (to keep his military name off the books), while his family continued to call him by his birth name. The military didn't go door to door looking for deserters, they just consulted town registries to look for names. As long as his name wasn't there, they wouldn't come after him. The person was wondering why his ancestor was known by two names - one within the family, but another one on official records. It was his search to figure out why that he discovered he'd been a deserter. Given that all the records were written and proof of ID was rudimentary at best, hiding yourself in the general population wasn't too hard. As long as you kept your nose clean so no one started asking too many questions about you, you could stay hidden in plain sight indefinitely.
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lenoon posted:
God I loving hate it when stuff like that happens. What's the story here? Private collection? Someone who inherited it and thinks because it's rare they will sell it for megabucks or at least be able to publish it and make money? Tiny museum that has this as the only thing making it relevant?
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Copy 1: Private collection Copy 2: archive vastly overstates the fragility of it Copy 3: I need to get it published
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