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Guavanaut posted:I think Guernsey is covered by both the tax havens and private feudal fiefdoms bit. Yeah sorry, I can't read. Green Wing posted:The site map with all current users is a communist reeducation facility. e: I hadn't even spotted that, incredible. big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Apr 15, 2016 |
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Guavanaut posted:That's probably only because there aren't any offshore not-really-British islands with stupid backwards laws that Britain can build camps on that aren't already being using as tax havens or feudal fiefdoms or both. Oh yeah? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/21/refugee-families-marooned-raf-base-cyprus I don't think anyone was fined for trying to kill themselves, but we did try to evict them
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Green Wing posted:The site map with all current users is a communist reeducation facility. e: Good to see they can bring the rules lawyers out in force whenever it comes to keeping a handful of desperate people out.
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nobodyssweetheart posted:Napoleonic wars at the same time stole all the limelight; the War of 1812 gets roped into that as a proxy war or a outlier brand extension My American in laws used to love to play this one when I was at their house 
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Anythting to do with refugees reinforces what spiteful pieces of poo poo we are Anytime the news talks about how the picture of that kid drowning ”changed the conversation" or whatever bullshit really pisses me off, it never even for a moment caused people to go oh these people are desperate and in deep poo poo, it just temporarily embarrassed some politicians because they didn't want to seem like they don't care even though they didn't don't and never will
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I too am feeling emotions, fellow humans!
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In the truly Private Eye sense, I am getting rather tired and emotional
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I've been very tired and emotional for the past few hours, paid for by the tax payer.
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Pissflaps posted:As one of the few authentically working class voices in this thread I don't like it one bit. I agree. The people in this thread treat members of the working class with scorn unless they agree exactly with everything they think, it is what I have had to put up with for 13 years. Shameful stuff.
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Is not liking racism a middle class thing now?
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Alan BStard posted:I agree. The people in this thread treat members of the working class with scorn unless they agree exactly with everything they think, it is what I have had to put up with for 13 years. Shameful stuff. Pish. You can still be working class & notice that racism is bad & that immigrants aren't to blame for every ill. I don't treat the working class with scorn, but I certainly will treat members of the working class who fall into reactionary views with scorn, no different than if they were middle or upper class. I manage to be working class & not a racist, you probably can too! It's not a difficult thing to be.
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Now I'm a racist. Never stop UKMT.
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Alan BStard posted:Now I'm a racist. Never stop UKMT.
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nobodyssweetheart posted:Napoleonic wars at the same time stole all the limelight; the War of 1812 gets roped into that as a proxy war or a outlier brand extension There was a Canadian comedy song group that made one about it too
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forkboy84 posted:No, you just seem to be joining Flaps in justifying & defending racists purely based on class. Which is pretty patronising & lazy. I'm joining flaps in being one of the few working class posters in this thread. Everything else is just your hatred of "the proles" revealing itself.
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Are you working class if you have a plastic lunchbox or does it have to be one of those rattley old tin ones?
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I've not seen any evidence that posters ITT are overly middle class. What were the results of that UKMT census a while ago? Anyway I'm working class and still think racists are dumb.
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tooterfish posted:Does the lunchbox have Superman on it? Superted.
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Artisanal hammered metal lunchboxes, with ironic retro 80's designs? From some kind of kickstarter???
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Alan BStard posted:I'm joining flaps in being one of the few working class posters in this thread. Everything else is just your hatred of "the proles" revealing itself.
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Miftan posted:Your great grandparents? Did England conscript loads of old people during WW2? WW2 was 70 years ago, to fight in it you'd need to be about 90 now. Are they making shaun of the dead 2? E: Working class people are good and I would generally rather hang out with them than nobs, but it's annoying when they vote against their economic interests and are racist twats. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Loved Whittingdale getting a caning (hehe) on have i got news for you last night.
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forkboy84 posted:No, you just seem to be joining Flaps in justifying & defending racists purely based on class. Which is pretty patronising & lazy. When the gently caress did I 'defend racists'?
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forkboy84 posted:Pish. You can still be working class & notice that racism is bad & that immigrants aren't to blame for every ill. I don't treat the working class with scorn, but I certainly will treat members of the working class who fall into reactionary views with scorn, no different than if they were middle or upper class. I manage to be working class & not a racist, you probably can too! It's not a difficult thing to be. Guys, racism transcends class. I've seen just as much idiotic bile from my white collar peers as from anyone else. The argument just tends to shift depending on who you're talking to. I've never heard a middle class person talk about migrants undercutting pay, or taking jobs for example. The focus tends to be on their effect on public services or the economy (paying more taxes to support their benefits, etc). I suppose it reflects whatever justification for racism they've consumed through the media that's targeted at them. Actually I'm curious as to whether other people's experiences are the same. I feel like I can clearly categorise the arguments into working/middle class ones: Working class - community cohesion/'it's like it's not even my own country any more' - undercutting pay/taking jobs - don't speak the language Middle class - my taxes pay for their benefits/bunch of scroungers - 'we're full'/drain on public services - generally rejecting the idea that they're imigrants for anything other than 'economic' reasons. I very rarely hear the former arguments in the wild, and I wonder if that's a product of who I interact with on a daily basis. EvilGenius fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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TheHoodedClaw posted:Ah man, I haven't seen Ling's site for a few years. I'm glad to see she's keeping it up/down to standard. Of course she is the Viz Ethnic Business Ambassador ("Send me Ferrero-Rocher! Yum yum!")  Green Wing posted:The site map with all current users is a communist reeducation facility.
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OwlFancier posted:WW2 was 70 years ago, to fight in it you'd need to be about 90 now. My grandfather would be 94 today!
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EvilGenius posted:
This seems fairly accurate to my experience. I'd just add to the middle class one "why do they come to Britain when there's plenty of safe Europe between us and their homes" which also ties into why the last thing is a common perception. winegums posted:I've not seen any evidence that posters ITT are overly middle class. What were the results of that UKMT census a while ago? Do another census in May.
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Namtab posted:This seems fairly accurate to my experience. I'd just add to the middle class one "why do they come to Britain when there's plenty of safe Europe between us and their homes" which also ties into why the last thing is a common perception. What do you answer to that, anyway?
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Dabir posted:What do you answer to that, anyway? I wish I knew. I guess an argument about the relatively low amount of migrants we get in comparison to most of the rest of Europe, or the fact that without migration as it is we'd have a staffing crisis in the nursing/care industry, but that's more of a deflection than a direct answer. Some arguments are easier than others "why dont they show blitz spirit and help protect their country" can be countered with "we didn't have civil war on our streets", but it's trickier to justify the uk's draw factor for migration as that tends to play into the right's hands. "Would you want conditions to be worse for everyone, just to prevent migration" perhaps? The reason these arguments are pervasive is because there is no easy answer.
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forkboy84 posted:No, as explained, being working class isn't a magic method of avoiding responsibility for lovely, regressive views. I don't hate the working class, it'd be a bit loving daft hating myself & my family, but to pretend that working class people aren't capable of semi-informed decisions like "not being racist" is every bit as patronising towards them as you seem to think others are being. That's all great and everything but it bears no relation to anything I said. Thanks though 
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Even today the UK is still like 90% useless fields. This whole 'we're full' idea is just silly. Pave it all over and build a few more houses so I can afford to live in one, guys.
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Pissflaps posted:When the gently caress did I 'defend racists'? It seems you disagreed with a thread consensus and thus you are now a racist bigot for life. I'm sorry.
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I would think "why do you want to live in britain?" would probably be a fairly sensible answer. If you want to live here why wouldn't other people? As to why they should be able to, the answer is because no human is more or less valuable than another and they have as much right to live in a nice place as you do. Unless you're a: rich or b: a fascist in which case gently caress off we're full.
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Ddraig posted:lmao just lmao if you don't take your lunch to work in a carrier bag. I have a very nice leather satchel from John Lewis. I expect your plastic carrier bag isn't as durable, and will need to be replaced often.
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