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Halman posted:In middle school we spent a full month on the war of 1812 learning about our poor press-ganged sailors I grew up IN greater Washington, DC and we barely touched on it. But we spent eight goddamned months on (our) Civil War. The sample is skewed, though, since my teacher was a re-enactor and brought his musket etc.
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Halman posted:You probably don't learn more about it because outside of occupying New York and burning the White House it mostly went pretty badly. As soon as DC was sacked and set on fire a giant rear end storm broke out and doused all the fires, a tornado touched down and killed a bunch of british troops and they retreated back to their naval support. It was occupied for all of 26 hours. Um, well, more of a no-score draw. It's not going 'pretty badly' when you torch the enemy capital while London remains unmolested, not to mention the whole war kicked off with an attempted US invasion of Canada where the Americans were pretty much rounded up and arrested by the local police. The whole thing was a bit of a sideshow compared to the Napoleonic Wars in any case. As for 'our' sailors - well, that's down to the rather uncertain status of nationality law in the early 19th century. At the time, the position of the British government, like most governments, was that if you were born in Britain you were British and remained British for the rest of your life, even if you happened to be a sailor who hopped on an American ship and was all like 'yes I'm totally an American now you can't conscript me'; meanwhile America pretty much said 'if you come to America and say you want to be an American now you're an American citizen go you'. Bit different to how it works these days on both sides, really.
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nobodyssweetheart posted:I grew up IN greater Washington, DC and we barely touched on it. But we spent eight goddamned months on (our) Civil War.
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I'd always heard that the reason why the White House is white, and why it was eventually called it, was because it was painted white to cover up the fire damage from us setting fire to it. This is actually true? That's a weird bit of history I didn't actually know. Greg Proops got it right https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJYY1CFKzTg 
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nah we p much burned that motherfucker down to the ground
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nobodyssweetheart posted:I grew up IN greater Washington, DC and we barely touched on it. But we spent eight goddamned months on (our) Civil War. Do the US not have a set cirriculum for states/whatever DC counts as? Like we do, at least at the moment.
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feedmegin posted:Um, well, more of a no-score draw. It's not going 'pretty badly' when you torch the enemy capital while London remains unmolested, not to mention the whole war kicked off with an attempted US invasion of Canada where the Americans were pretty much rounded up and arrested by the local police. The whole thing was a bit of a sideshow compared to the Napoleonic Wars in any case. I was mostly being facetious, everything about early america was super super dumb. Also I'm still gonna chalk it up as a win for the US because the period after the war is literally known as the Era of Good Feelings whereas you guys just got more Napoleon.  fake edit: Taear posted:Do the US not have a set cirriculum for states/whatever DC counts as? We, in fact, do not! There is in a sense a de-facto curriculum because the size of California and Texas means those two states more or less dictate the content of textbooks published nationally, but I'm fairly sure the specific curriculum is determined by individual school districts. Our school district here covers like 3 small cities. America is still pretty dumb. Halman fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Halman posted:I was mostly being facetious, everything about early america was super super dumb. What, after 1815? P sure that's when we became the largest empire the world has ever seen, actually  (Not that that's actually, y'know, a good thing, especially for brown people all over the world, but still) Edit: this, by the way, is why we don't learn more about it in school. Britain has fought wars over like half the world's surface; relatively unimportant scraps with the locals in random (ex)-colonies are a dime a dozen. If we were really going to teach Imperial history it'd probably focus way more on India. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Taear posted:Do the US not have a set curriculum for states/whatever DC counts as? My European History teacher had a nervous breakdown made us watch a video on training courses to repair air-conditioners to cover the Industrial Revolution while tossing word salads about how the LED in the "on button" on the TV was Jesus reminding you he was real. He was one of three mad teachers I had that year; the most flamboyantly so. (Though one of the other had a dead eye that rolled independently in the socket and was thrown out of the seminary because he was too insane to be a Catholic priest.) So, feel better about your schools. nobodyssweetheart fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Apr 16, 2016 19:35
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So that's what Mad Eye Moody did after the Harry Potter books.
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feedmegin posted:What, after 1815? P sure that's when we became the largest empire the world has ever seen, actually It was a drat good thing for the British upper crust though!
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nobodyssweetheart posted:So, feel better about your schools. Hey now nobody is saying ours are the worst ever. It's just that everyone can see how they could be better. America is just like Australia where we can see that there's always more and always worse.
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Taear posted:Hey now nobody is saying ours are the worst ever. It's just that everyone can see how they could be better. Look pal, ain't nobody gonna be better at being the worst at schools than America ok? Seriously look up Detroit public school's twitter, they post pictures of classrooms with mushrooms growing through the walls and poo poo. And I don't think the teachers have been paid in a month or two. If the forced academy thing goes through you might be able to give us a run for our money though. Halman fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Halman posted:Look pal, ain't nobody gonna be better at being the worst at schools than America ok? Seriously look up Detroit public school's twitter, they post pictures of classrooms with mushrooms growing through the walls and poo poo. And I don't think the teachers have been paid in a month or two. This sounds very educational if your desired specialism is mycology or sociology/economics.
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Well that's somehow more terrifying than the other theories I've heard - allegedly the rumour among Tories is the reason Hunt won't give in over the junior doctors strike is that he sees this as his "Thatcher moment" - he feels if he can face them down like Maggie did the miners, it will vastly improve his leadership prospects with the right wing of the party, who think he's a bit wet.
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They all want their Thatcher moment, because she's the last truly successful leader that they've had.
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Shame for Mr. Hunt that you can't stockpile good health like you can coal then.
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big scary monsters posted:Shame for Mr. Hunt that you can't stockpile good health like you can coal then. You don't think he can leverage that into backlash against the doctors, then?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Well that's somehow more terrifying than the other theories I've heard - allegedly the rumour among Tories is the reason Hunt won't give in over the junior doctors strike is that he sees this as his "Thatcher moment" - he feels if he can face them down like Maggie did the miners, it will vastly improve his leadership prospects with the right wing of the party, who think he's a bit wet. Sadly, he's probably not wrong. But the thing is, Maggie didn't hide in the loos when the miners came calling. Darth Walrus posted:You don't think he can leverage that into backlash against the doctors, then? He's done his damnedest so far and the evidence remains pretty firmly in favour of the JDs. But there's still a lot more time left, and there really aren't many things that the JDs can do that don't play into his hands one way or the other.
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Guavanaut posted:They all want their Thatcher moment, because she's the last truly successful leader that they've had. Success for these people is highly subjective.
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Not relying on a hair thin majority, a coalition with the Lib Dems, or being John Major.
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The Jeremy Corbyn 4 PM Facebook page tried to post a big lump of pictures from today's protests. When you do this, Facebook does a little summary with one big image and a bunch of smaller ones tiled underneath it. And this happened.  I must have missed that policy announcement.
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Trin Tragula posted:The Jeremy Corbyn 4 PM Facebook page tried to post a big lump of pictures from today's protests. This is terrible for Corbyn. Brutal.
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Trin Tragula posted:
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Extreme0 posted:I agree with this policy. Trotskyite splitter.
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John Whittingdale is a very naughty boy (Daily Mail warning): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...als-affair.htmlquote:Cabinet Minister John Whittingdale had a two-year relationship with a former porn star who claims he showed her confidential Government papers at his constituency home.
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Trin Tragula posted:And this happened. Eagerly awaiting Corbyn's "no more peeing in the pool" mandate.
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LemonDrizzle posted:John Whittingdale is a very naughty boy (Daily Mail warning): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...als-affair.html Guess Dacre decided he's no longer a useful asset.
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Darth Walrus posted:Guess Dacre decided he's no longer a useful asset. What bad news is this distracting us from?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnH-Pc6MicM I have missed this somehow over the past few weeks and don't recall it appearing in this thread before. Apologies if it ends up being a repost, but it is exceptionally well done.
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Guavanaut posted:They all want their Thatcher moment, because she's the last truly successful leader that they've had. I'll say this, she never backed down from anything which must have made it difficult to fit her in the coffin. \/ Edit: drat, that's good. FinalGamer fucked around with this message at 04:19 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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FinalGamer posted:I'll say this, she never backed down from anything which must have made it difficult to fit her in the coffin. 
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Darth Walrus posted:Guess Dacre decided he's no longer a useful asset. Whittingdale is now totally powerless to do anything with press standards, as it will just look like a revenge attack. If they'd published the first scandal, he would have been replaced with someone squeeky clean who would be free to do what Whittigdale couldn't. Now that's probably going to happen anyway, they may as well take him down a notch.
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Alan BStard posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnH-Pc6MicM This owns.
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Thanks Ants posted:What bad news is this distracting us from? The fact that the 150,000 people protesting in London yesterday have barely scratched the headlines.
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New ComRes poll: https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/721405481760223234 https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/721406292112338945 https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/721407603994193920 https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/721408597758976001 https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/721408057922756608
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LemonDrizzle posted:New ComRes poll: This is bad for Corbyn.
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