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CJ posted:As for the flashback thing, the guy who saved them looked like he had been fighting and his chest and face (the two identifying features for josuke besides his hair) were obscured in shadow. It's suspicious as gently caress and a bit of a chekov's gun, so it not going anywhere is kind of weird like I feel you're really missing the forest for the trees here and trying to look for in-story reasons of events happening rather than what that event means for the story which is way more interesting and meaningful Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Bad Seafood posted:See, these are all reasonable posts, it's just something that sticks out in my mind like a splinter I can't shake. I mean, it's not one of my favorite fights in part 4, and I can understand why it's kinda weird to parse taking into account the rules of Jojoverse. Cheap Trick is almost a self-sufficient being, contrary to almost any other Stand, and it just so happens to be a deadly weapon against Kira's enemies? Johnny Joestar posted:there's literally no way for them to find out who the parents are and the parents sure as hell don't know where their kid went since it straight up turned invisible. they might as well adopt the kid, being stand users who understand what's going on, instead of trying to advertise how they've found a baby that makes everything around it disappear. Also the kid is fuckin' invisible, how would you even go about figuring out who her parents were? You can't really stamp a photo of that baby on a milk carton.
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Apr 16, 2016 19:41
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The loving flashback is just a flashback
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Apr 16, 2016 19:41
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if it was retconned to actually be josuke somehow saving himself then i feel that would lessen the impact it has on an overarching theme of the arc, that being 'morioh is full of kind people and being kind yourself is the way to go'.
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Apr 16, 2016 19:44
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Cicadalek posted:Why does Okuyasu have those lines on his face Yes and I want to see it in an OVA.
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Apr 16, 2016 19:44
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Baal posted:That being said if you don't like the Part 3 fights you're bad Personally, though, I like even those fights. Especially Dark Blue Moon, which has a lot of great stuff going on under the hood that might not be obvious your first time through.
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Apr 16, 2016 19:44
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Cheap Trick is good for having Rohan "Proudest man ever" looking and acting like a total dork.
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Bad Seafood posted:I will defend every fight in Part 3 but I could understand someone being less than enthused with Dark Blue Moon, Strength, Wheel of Fortune, and maybe the Sun (the latter only because of how the anime dragged it out). No, you are not allowed to be unenthused about the Sun
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As9ScybYxKY
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Baal posted:No, you are not allowed to be unenthused about the Sun
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Apr 16, 2016 19:45
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the anime pacing definitely didn't do some fights in SDC any favors, but even as someone who isn't the biggest fan of SDC i will say that it wouldn't be the same without those bits.
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I liked The Sun in the anime more cause I actually cared about the minutiae of How Did They Actually Travel and What Life On The Road Is Like way more than anyone should and having half the episode be Joseph Joestar buying a car to trade for camels and then teaching the rest how to ride them was cool worldbuilding
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Apr 16, 2016 19:46
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Also please do not call this thread a hugbox when I am here and making everyone mad at me all of the time for various reasons
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Apr 16, 2016 19:47
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Okuyasu has unlimited potential for accidentally hurting himself and I'd like to see him do it in a wide variety of places.
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Apr 16, 2016 19:48
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People have made google maps of The Steel Ball Run so you can actually sorta follow that path if you wanted and geopolitical conflicts aside, it'd be cool to do that for Part 3 if you ever really wanted to go to Egypt
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Apr 16, 2016 19:49
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I'm more than happy to accept new members in my "gently caress Kakyoin" club though.
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Apr 16, 2016 19:49
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I'm sure there are many who would gently caress kakyoin
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Baal posted:The loving flashback is just a flashback Sure, but it also seemed like it was building up to something in a series where time powers are a massive thing. It does end up looking like a dropped plot point, but even if it were, it's not like it's exclusively an Araki thing - planting seeds for a possible story hook is a pretty common thing for a serialized piece of fiction to do. Is there an Araki Said (TM) about that, by the way? The baby is just another little weird thing on Morioh, like the Possibly A Literal Alien. It would've been cool if she showed up in the future, but part 5 happens overseas and with almost no Joestar presence, and part 6 is part 6, ain't no time for invisible kids. It doesn't really matter if she disappears or not, she's already pretty...discreet as a Jojo thing (because she's invisible, get it?).
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Dias posted:Sure, but it also seemed like it was building up to something in a series where time powers are a massive thing. It does end up looking like a dropped plot point, but even if it were, it's not like it's exclusively an Araki thing - planting seeds for a possible story hook is a pretty common thing for a serialized piece of fiction to do. Is there an Araki Said (TM) about that, by the way? Araki drops plot threads, but that never particularly came off to me as a hook for time travel shenanigans because it was brought up once and only once. Like I can sort of see how people would get that impression, but saying it's a dropped plot thread is jumping to conclusions.
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One day I will make my big huge effort post about how every fight in Part 3 is good and you will all simply scroll past it because it'll be way too long, seriously, even if you wanted to meet me halfway or humor me cause I'm the mod, who cares about Part 3 this much.
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It's me. I care.
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Dias posted:Sure, but it also seemed like it was building up to something in a series where time powers are a massive thing. It does end up looking like a dropped plot point, but even if it were, it's not like it's exclusively an Araki thing - planting seeds for a possible story hook is a pretty common thing for a serialized piece of fiction to do. Is there an Araki Said (TM) about that, by the way? Bear in mind that at the time of publication, " Final Boss Time Powers" weren't a massive thing, they weren't even a thing. Kira's time power is something that is added to his skillset after the the fact and the all final villains have time power stands is established from Kira onwards, rather than DIO, who was the first (DIO is the first and Kira makes it a trend.) You can sort of guess by this point that JoJolion's final boss is going to gently caress with time. You couldn't at the time of Diamond is Unbreakble's Rohan intro. (Kira wasn't introduced even by this point). There's no Araki Said™ I've ever seen about the flashback. The closest you'll get is the voice actor for him in the anime but that's not much either. I hope it's Wataru Hatano. When you're considering theories like these, it's important to consider your viewpoint. Are you considering it as someone with hindsight of the entire part and series' trends as a whole? Josuke Higashikata fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Dias posted:Sure, but it also seemed like it was building up to something in a series where time powers are a massive thing. It does end up looking like a dropped plot point, but even if it were, it's not like it's exclusively an Araki thing - planting seeds for a possible story hook is a pretty common thing for a serialized piece of fiction to do. Is there an Araki Said (TM) about that, by the way? I've seen so many other people use that flashback as way to say Araki Is A Trash Writer Who Leaves So Many Plots On The Table And Everything Is Incomprehensible and man....sometimes a flashback explaining a character's ethos is just a flashback
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Bad Seafood posted:It didn't need to go anywhere. Ok, but don't depict it in a way that makes it look like a setup for a payoff in a story that ends with a villain who can send people back in time. Drawing it so his face is always in shadow with little detail and this panel where there is a heart shaped shadow obscuring his chest is just setting people up to be disappointed, or at least confusion due to a fridge moment when reflecting on it. 
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Bear in mind that at the time of publication, " Final Boss Time Powers" weren't a massive thing, they weren't even a thing. Kira's time power is something that is added to his skillset after the the fact and the all final villains have time power stands is established from Kira onwards, rather than DIO, who was the first. You can sort of guess by this point that JoJolion's final boss is going to gently caress with time. You couldn't at the time of Diamond is Unbreakble's Rohan intro. (Kira wasn't introduced even by this point). Okay, massive is overstating it, but part 4 comes off the heels of both the main villain AND the protagonist in part 3 being able to manipulate time. I was kinda guessing there would be some time shenanigans again when I got to that part in the manga (keep in mind I wasn't aware of Diavolo or Pucci by then). Baal posted:Araki drops plot threads, but that never particularly came off to me as a hook for time travel shenanigans because it was brought up once and only once. Like I can sort of see how people would get that impression, but saying it's a dropped plot thread is jumping to conclusions. Well, yeah, that's why it feels like a dropped thing to some people, it comes up once and never again. In hindsight, it was probably just a quick justification for Josuke's quirk, but I can't blame people for reading too much into it because, well...I sorta did. Also Bad Seafood, I like the Sun fight. I understand. All Jojo fights are precious, even the ones that end with Jotaro fingerbanging people.
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Except Araki didn't make it look like setup for payoff in a story about a villain who can send people back in time cause the villain wasn't introduced yet, there was zero context for the setup and Bites the Dust doesn't even send people back in time If Kira had been introduced before Rohan and we saw him use Killer Queen to send a girl back in time and keep her hand then it would be foreshadowing. I totally see why people instantly latch to the idea that Kira was going to send Josuke back in time, but I dunno, I feel that idea totally gets all the air deflated out of it when you look at the time in the story it happened and the themes is strengthens. Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Apr 16, 2016 |
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Or he drew it that way because it was loving night and Wee Tot Josuke couldn't see his face very well.
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Though there's no hard evidence of any of this, I kind of see DiU's flow in the same way I see Stardust Crusader's in regards to Kira's/DIO's power. It's pretty apparent that Araki hadn't settled on DIO's Stand power at the beginning but once he had, he set it up with Shooting DIO!?. I don't think we'd have seen DIO's Hermit Purple at all had he decided that DIO can stop time at the beginning. I don't think he'd decided on Bites The Dust for Kira until he decided Kira needed a new set of tricks as a whole to make a final battle against him truly interesting. Bites the Dust and Stray Cat fit that bill. If he had settled on a time power for Kira from the very beginning, there'd probably have been hints of it during Sheer Heart Attack. I think that's also why Kira has a feeling of power creep and that Killer Queen has too much in his arsenal (I love KQ though, I wouldn't change a thing about it). Basically: I don't really think time travel ever crossed Araki's mind because I'm not convinced he had settled on time travel for Kira at that point.
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Only one person in the world has a pompadour.
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Waffleman_ posted:Only one person in the world has a pompadour. Pompadours are extinct in the SBRverse then  Unless Josuke's rocking one under his hat
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Josuke saving himself would ruin the entire point of that flashback. There was no particular detail on that dude because who he was did not matter in the slightest, so why bother designing a new character. You may as well get mad we never saw the dude who inspired Giorno again.
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BlitzBlast posted:Josuke saving himself would ruin the entire point of that flashback. There was no particular detail on that dude because who he was did not matter in the slightest, so why bother designing a new character. my theory is that guy is Gold Experience Requiem.
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Hell if anything, it's important that we never find out who he was. Some random dude decided to ignore his own injuries to help out some complete strangers out of the goodness of his heart. That is far more impactful than Gangster McPompadour helping out some strangers because they reminded him of his past, or because he really liked pushing cars, or some other silly personal reason.
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BlitzBlast posted:Hell if anything, it's important that we never find out who he was. Some random dude decided to ignore his own injuries to help out some complete strangers out of the goodness of his heart. That is far more impactful than Gangster McPompadour helping out some strangers because they reminded him of his past, or because he really liked pushing cars, or some other silly personal reason. Exactly. It's important he's just some random good samaritan who took it upon himself to help some total strangers. So Josuke would go on to be inspired to also be the random good samaritan. Josuke Is A Good Boy.
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Alt Universe where DIO is the one who pushed his car out of the snow while palling around with some ladies when exactly???
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Bad Seafood posted:It's me. I care. Only if you do the Jonathan write-up first. 
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The guy in the flashback looking like Josuke is a visual metaphor more than anything. He is the guy Josuke looks up to and aspires to be.
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CJ posted:heart shaped shadow waht
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