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 wow excuuuuse meVague spoiler safe for you to read: it's more that he's impulsive than flat out stupid but yes, this comes up with him. Sometimes it works to his advantage.
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Raserys posted:I miss your old av I miss it too, it had a profound influence on my posting I feel
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Don't be so mean about Okuyasu. Actually his stand is loving amazing compared to kakyoin, he's really on the level with Josuke in terms of stand power, I'm not saying he's incompetent, I'm just hoping that he'll be super dumb and in your face like this cause it's entertaining.
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DORARARARA all who insult Okuyasu but yes he stays the same
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Al-Saqr posted:The only thing I know so far through cultural osmosis You mean the op? 
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Both Okuyasu and Kakyoin are good, pure boys. Kakyoin's a little bit better at using his head, but they both try their best
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Please don't bully Okuyasu, he does the best he can
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Moltrey posted:Both Okuyasu and Kakyoin are good, pure boys. Kakyoin's a little bit better at using his head, but they both try their best Kakyoin thought he was good at video games and could gently caress with my main man DIO and got owned he's objectively the dumbest
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:You mean the op? No I mean reading an Araraki artbook and seeing them together, not to mention I accidentally saw that ITS IN THE PASTA! *PUNCH* manga panel somewhere and I have no clue what's it about but I'm super excited to find out.
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Okuyasu is just A Good Boy Who Has Made Bad Choices
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Kakyoin thought he was good at video games and could gently caress with my main man DIO and got owned he's objectively the dumbest Also his plan to figure out DIO's Stand 100% worked like he knew it would.
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All I know about Okuyasu from osmosis is that he cries dramatically, often.
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He should have died on the plane home from Egypt after getting his fleshbud.
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Started to read part 7. I can't enter the manga thread since I haven't read other parts yet, and I can't say anything here lest I spoil something, so I'll just say that I'm enjoying it a lot.Question about part 4--does the Yo Angelo thing ever come up again?
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^^^ Spoiler I guess Not at all, Angelo is a just landmark until the heat death of the universe. Maybe, but having the entire group die to a small fly on their way to Egypt would have been a very controversial choice
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Kakyoin and Okuyasu are my strong, smart, perfect sons and I won't hear a word against either
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Something something more like Cuckyoin am i right
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I want to see the version of SDC where Kakyoin dies to the flesh bud and Tower of Grey joins their group after being beaten.
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All y'all who are hating on my main man Kakyoin need to get out. 
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Yo Angelo!Okuyasu Nijimura posted:
This, and I think someone upthread may have said it but in the same vein of the vague safe spoiler the blinders around his Stand's eyes are a hint at this. He's like a friend that can have anger management issues but isn't evil. Lots more spoilery for the next episode: actually reflecting back on SDC now, I think Okuyasu's transition to BroJo is more interesting than Polnareff's because there's no magic flesh bud that absolves him of responsibility for his actions. He looked up to his brother and followed him because he had nobody else, they were working to help their dad, and even admits his brother wasn't a good person when he dies. Character development rules. I still love Polnareff and SDC but, yeah. e: Al-Saqr posted:No I mean reading an Araraki artbook and seeing them together, not to mention I accidentally saw that ITS IN THE PASTA! *PUNCH* manga panel somewhere and I have no clue what's it about but I'm super excited to find out. You should be, I can't wait for that episode GOD I love this drat show. rockopete fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Apr 17, 2016 |
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Yo Angelo Last Train Home is still really drat good. That's all.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Okuyasu is just A Good Boy Who Has Made Bad Choices Okuyasu is just a good boy who hangs out with Bad Company
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Give me a round of applause, all you idiots of the world.
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...okay that was pretty good 
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Schwarzwald posted:Okuyasu is just a good boy who hangs out with Bad Company 
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Fiend Computer posted:Something something more like Cuckyoin am i right
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imagine if Kakyoin had survived Part 3 and he could've relations with Joseph's daughter and also his mistress
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Moltrey posted:Both Okuyasu and Kakyoin are good, pure boys. Kakyoin's a little bit better at using his head, but they both try their best Okuyasu is the kinda guy that likes to go with his gut, while Kakyoin is more the opposite.
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Sam Faust posted:Okuyasu is the kinda guy that likes to go with his gut, while Kakyoin is more the opposite. Dio made good use of his guts.
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Fiend Computer posted:Something something more like Cuckyoin am i right loving. NICE. Love the cuck meme bro.
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Same but genuinely because it actually makes people mad somehow. It owns.
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Alejandro Sanchez posted:loving. NICE. Love the cuck meme bro. me too
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I'm not sure how much I count in either direction as an "anime person" versus a "manga person"; I've read all of parts two, three, and six, then dropped JoJo for a while until the release of the David series because of how much I disliked the ending of Stone Ocean (and because I wanted to read a better version of part five which never really materialized). My first exposure to Araki and JoJo in particular was the PSX fighting game, which I got from a Blockbuster because of the sheer insanity of its title - "JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Heritage for the Future" is amazing levels of word salad, and I'm a fighting game junkie so the Capcom brand inspired me to pick it up. The game probably inordinately influenced which characters I liked when I went back and (re?)visited the series at a later date, but otherwise I didn't know poo poo from Shinola until being subjected to memes and anime friends never shutting up about JoJo, at which point I caved in and started plowing through the manga. It's pretty incredible how influential the series is, and once I went through it I had cause to second-guess all sorts of choices in posing (and references, and jokes) that would crop up in other works that JoJo predates pretty comfortably. The Persona games hedge so closely to concepts in JoJo that I'm shocked legal action wasn't taken. And there are things that I like a lot about the franchise, particularly its creative use of weird powers and neat-o art direction and style. If asked directly I would state definitively that I Like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure™ and, like most of the fiction I consume, I try to have a sophisticated opinion about it if I feel like it's worth talking about, and JoJo falls into that category for me. That said - and this isn't meant as an indictment of this thread (at all) but is more a general observation, so this isn't like a callout of anyone in particular - this series has probably the most insufferable fanbase I've ever had cause to interact with outside of maybe Homestuck? Like it's super bad. I'm not sure what to do with all those words I wrote up above, but I guess it's more like "that's my JoJo story, ha ha" Part four so far seems good; I'm hesitant to do things like rank the parts in some arbitrary order, because they all seem to have certain objective qualities that transcend subjective taste (you can not like a thing and still recognize that it is masterfully made and/or crafted), but I'd say that it's off to a better start in animation than part three was. I have no manga experience to compare it to, but I assume they're moving at a pretty good clip - Grampa is introduced, has I think like eight lines, is summarily murdered, and then also avenged in the course of like forty-five minutes of screen time, so it's close to that edge of feeling hurried without yet crossing into that, at least for me. I find it interesting that so far, the chief emotions/reactions that the JoJos themselves illustrate are a pick-two of anger, righteous indignation, or mild indifference, and these displays usually punctuate periods of a general laziness, and that they are always the reactions. Josuke apparently had weekly games of who-can-scare-who-the-hardest with his grampa that were apparently so intense that the old guy felt perfectly justified holding a realistic replica firearm to Josuke's dome, and then each of them wrote it off as a good and winning ploy - so they're close, naturally. But at least in episode two, the immediate reaction is an almost creepy anger from Josuke when the old man gets killed, and there's no time spent on grief or even visible sadness. This is not really a criticism so much as it is an observation, as well, although I'm kinda hoping that Josuke is less of the "always cool under fire" archetype that defined Jotaro almost to the point of absurdity and then boredom in part three. Joseph is my favorite Joestar in large part because he's animated and dynamic, and while I tried to skip over parts of the thread that talked about future parts or what to expect from part four, I remember a remark about Josuke being a sort of amalgamation of previous protagonists; so here's hoping he does something like use the Joestar family's secret technique, or get to act like a geek/idiot/whatever outside of his weird idiosyncrasy about being afraid of turtles. Although I did really like the part wherein Jotaro tries to console (kinda?) Josuke after the death of his grandfather. The way that they interacted with each other in episode 1 was also pretty satisfying, and I think Jotaro will be much more palatable as a stern Obi-Wan than as the central figure who's expected to carry the narrative. I'm not necessarily in favor of singular versus ensemble character focuses, but Joseph felt like he was depicted strongly enough to where you could have an interesting story that was essentially all about him, with some added window dressing of cool supplementary characters like Lisa Lisa and Caesar and Wham, and Jotaro - to me - definitely did not; he needed to be part of a larger central cast to help carry some of those middle episodes. loving love the OP and "I Want You" was an ear worm twenty years ago so why stop now right, like jesus christ it just never ends, ooh i want you i don't know if i need you but ooh i'd die to find out ooh i want you i don't know if i need you but ooh i'd die to find out ooh i guts and bolts fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Apr 18, 2016 |
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guts and bolts posted:I'm not sure how much I count in either direction as an "anime person" [editing huge post out] The fanbase thing isn't really a secret. Not judging but how did you manage to read only 2, 3 and 6?
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Josuke Higashikata posted:The fanbase thing isn't really a secret. Based purely on recommendations and the quality of translations that existed when I read the manga - which was... I forget? A decent amount of time ago. I also got the gist of the episodic nature of the parts as soon as I finished part two; I figured that reading parts I hadn't gotten to yet at a later date, I'd get that Arrested Development type feeling where jokes make sense well after the fact, or references, or whatever. Then I just never finished the "go back and read the other parts" segment of that plan. I intend to give it another try soon, but I'll likely start with a re-read of licensed stuff to support publishers/Araki/whatever and hopefully by the time I get through 1-3 part 4 will be localized officially? If not I can just re-read Berserk. :< Also, I mean, I don't think the problem is inherent to anime or to JoJo specifically but yeah it's a super alienating experience to deal with the fanbase, which winds up having you (the royal you I mean) holding other people accountable for stuff they didn't even do. Like, it makes remarks that someone might have made innocuously inspire these bitter reactions, or to have people just not even try to engage. Also also, the inevitable Quad City DJs vs Savage Garden ED doesn't seem as good as Bloody Slam, but I'm biased
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The issue is there really isn't anything quite like JoJos, and it's been amazingly fresh and interesting for 30 years. Like part 8, running now, is easily as good as anything he's ever done. There aren't a lot of writers and artists, period, who can keep things this good for this long. It can get people a bit....evangelical about it. You just have to nod your head and quietly accept that JoJos does terrible things to a person, but it's worth it.
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JoJo only makes people better. Some fall off the righteous path and start liking Kakyoin though. (We call them Sith, they made a film about it)
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Boogaleeboo posted:The issue is there really isn't anything quite like JoJos, and it's been amazingly fresh and interesting for 30 years. And yet, there's still Not Enough Jojo's. I'd rather have not enough of a great thing, than too much of a poo poo thing, though. You do you, Araki, you've done so good to this point.
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JoJonies* dakedo kyo mo jojo niiii~ monku nanka iiatte nichijo o odoruuuuu
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