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Are there any streams of reactions from crowds outside the House building?
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fnox posted:If it were a bunch of guys in suits sitting down and raising their hands to vote nobody would be watching this. I dont know, our votings are just what you described and I've watched plenty. Great White Hope posted:Are there any streams of reactions from crowds outside the House building? The crowd is inside the House
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Video of vote 342 http://g1.globo.com/politica/processo-de-impeachment-de-dilma/cobertura-ao-vivo.html#/glb-feed-post/57144274c22d621c73824d80
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Apr 18, 2016 03:15
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:i live on a somewhat affluent neighbourhood and they are sending loving fireworks and hollering Same here. It's super weird.
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Apr 18, 2016 03:16
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Globo continues to control politics in Brazil. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so loving sad.
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Apr 18, 2016 03:18
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HardDisk posted:Same here. It's super weird. I live pretty close to the park where the pro-impeachment crowd tends to hang around during manifestations. Yeah, I'm hearing fireworks and poo poo.
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Apr 18, 2016 03:18
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Ok so it seems like Dilma is no longer President, at least in the duration of the Senate investigations. Once those investigations are concluded, the Senate will vote on either restoring or removing Dilma for good. The vicepresident, Temer, is now the president. This centrist/right wing wave that is currently happening in Latin America is interesting. I guess that we'll only truly see what it'll lead to when Maduro and Evo are gone.
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Apr 18, 2016 03:20
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So when would Rousseff be booted out? Like are we assuming that the trial is a done deal as well or is the senate controlled by her allies?
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Apr 18, 2016 03:23
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We're so hosed roflmao
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Apr 18, 2016 03:26
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was a weird tweet it's gone now.
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Apr 18, 2016 03:31
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HardDisk posted:Same here. It's super weird. Some votes had the sort of fireworks reserved for goals in the world cup. fnox posted:Ok so it seems like Dilma is no longer President, at least in the duration of the Senate investigations. Once those investigations are concluded, the Senate will vote on either restoring or removing Dilma for good. The vicepresident, Temer, is now the president. And Eduardo Cunha will be the acting vice-president. That will certainly go well.
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Apr 18, 2016 03:32
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Negrostrike posted:We're so hosed roflmao Someone better find me a decent quality "best-of" video so I can superimpose Komm Susser Tod over it.
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Apr 18, 2016 03:33
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How much of a revoltuion/coup will be needed to eliminate Brazil's corrupt political system into something...saner?
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Grouchio posted:How much of a revoltuion/coup will be needed to eliminate Brazil's corrupt political system into something...saner? this kind of process doesn't generally actually reduce corruption to any serious degree, especially simple maneuvering like this - even actual revolutions often fail that, c.f. ukraine corruption dies out in stable, predictable political systems with a firm grasp of the rule of law - or, rather, it's channeled into more acceptable and mitigated channels like lobbying, earmarks &c
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Apr 18, 2016 03:37
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Grouchio posted:How much of a revoltuion/coup will be needed to eliminate Brazil's corrupt political system into something...saner? Robespierre's reign of terror lasting a whole decade or so.
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Grouchio posted:How much of a revoltuion/coup will be needed to eliminate Brazil's corrupt political system into something...saner? You just need to break the midia oligopoly that still controls most of the politics to this day. The sad thing is that according to the constitution said oligopoly should be illegal to begin with but no one does anything to enforce the law.
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Apr 18, 2016 03:37
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the impeachment of dilma rouseff is going to do as much about corruption in brazil as the prosecution of bo xilai did about corruption in china even talking about it seems to be missing the point
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Grouchio posted:How much of a revoltuion/coup will be needed to eliminate Brazil's corrupt political system into something...saner? Kill everyone in the Fiesp and its ilk and 2/3rds of every politician, drop a tactical nuke on the Projac and smaller bombs on the media companies in São Paulo (optimistically)
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Grouchio posted:How much of a revoltuion/coup will be needed to eliminate Brazil's corrupt political system into something...saner? What corrupt political system? Dilma is out, corruption is gone now.  I'm not serious, oh god fake edit: JHC said that there are elections in North Korea wtf.
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Apr 18, 2016 03:42
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jesus loving christ every vote that went like "I AM DEDICATING THIS VOTE FOR MY FAMILY" no gently caress you vote regarding the goddamn issue you fucks
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Apr 18, 2016 03:44
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It's like they are on goddamn Xuxa or something
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Apr 18, 2016 03:46
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Kill everyone in the Fiesp and its ilk and 2/3rds of every politician, drop a tactical nuke on the Projac and smaller bombs on the media companies in São Paulo (optimistically) nah, you'd still have plenty of colonels that'd still own brazil. people focus too much on globo and fiesp and stuff, and forget that brazil is in fact a filled with uneducated conservative catholics/evangelicals. Transmetropolitan posted:every vote that went like "I AM DEDICATING THIS VOTE FOR MY FAMILY" no gently caress you vote regarding the goddamn issue you fucks lol
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Apr 18, 2016 03:48
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Transmetropolitan posted:jesus loving christ Didn't someone try to get his kid to talk? I think it was vote 343
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Polidoro posted:Didn't someone try to get his kid to talk? I think it was vote 343 Even Cunha couldn't handle that guy.
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Apr 18, 2016 03:57
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Hey, a lot of those guys go way back to the Portuguese aristocracy that was granted lands in the colonies, can't fault them for valuing family!
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Apr 18, 2016 03:59
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Grouchio posted:How much of a revoltuion/coup will be needed to eliminate Brazil's corrupt political system into something...saner? What do you consider particularly corrupt about the current Brazilian system?
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Final tally: https://twitter.com/galilas/status/721882907539816449  at insurance agent guy
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Magrov posted:nah, you'd still have plenty of colonels that'd still own brazil. Conservative Catholics and Evangelicals who explicitly believe in a social hierarchy. There is a reason everyone middle class and above thinks it is the most natural thing in the world if a doctor chargers different prices depending on whether someone wants a receipt or not, but gets super upset with Bolsa Familia. Of the three acquaintances who would send me the most aggressive anti-Dilma "let's end corruption" messages on whatsapp, one is a doctor who received a salary as a city employee without ever showing up because his uncle was the mayor, another makes a small fortune by converting dollars to reais off the books for people, and the last is a woman who married an American, became a US citizen, and decided never to report her Brazilian income and properties (plural) in her American taxes. And none of them see that as contradictory, even when you point it out to them. Edit: 16 of the 21 members of congress under investigation by Lava Jato voted in favor of the impeachment. And somehow people still believe that the impeachment is a positive step in terms of fighting corruption. joepinetree fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Apr 18, 2016 |
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fnox posted:Ok so it seems like Dilma is no longer President, at least in the duration of the Senate investigations. Once those investigations are concluded, the Senate will vote on either restoring or removing Dilma for good. The vicepresident, Temer, is now the president. Not really, the process now goes to senate where they first vote on whether to actually open the process (needs a simple majority, 41 out of 81 senate votes), in which case she is suspended for up to 6 months while the senate deliberates on the conviction, which in turn needs 2/3 of the senate votes to pass.
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In 180 days, a Temer presidency with a favorable congress can do a lot of damage. I figure that the internet civil regulations and third-party labor contract for any/all professions are going to be the first big hits. Perhaps a general interest rate hike as well. gently caress.
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Transmetropolitan posted:In 180 days, a Temer presidency with a favorable congress can do a lot of damage. Temer is going to lift Dilma's veto on campaign donations from corporations. The right wing literally can not exist without private companies bribes/campaign donations and that veto was one the most progressive things to come out from the PT years of government so I'm pretty sure it will be one of the first things to go.
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My personal doomsaying predictions: Temer and pals scuttle investigations and pass tons of crappy, vile stuff. Non-PSDB people get furious, but not enough to demonstrate or switch sides to progressives. They just abandon politics for another generation. Hardcore PSDB/Aecistas don't give a crap, gear up for elections and make bank like crazy under relaxed funding rules. Have a hard time finding a candidate that isn't soiled to the gills, and infighting also grows as every opportunist feels this is the time to hog the spotlight. Bolsonaro and the evangelical block becomes the cornerstone of the Right. Worker's party and satellites coalesce around Lula as their last shot, which only makes the other side all the more rabid. 2018 election comes down between him and some compromise christian fetish figure, likely Bolsonaro or Moro, or some empty suit with one of them as VP. If Lula wins? Coup. A naked one this time. If the conservatives win, big-time financial and elite rollback of the few advances of the last decade will be enshrined. No one will give a toss about corruption or growth, as long as the 20% of the people that -matters- still make bank. Everyne who disagrees can expect a nightstick to the mouth and tear gas bombs, and no one will care.
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Has the US pronounced anything on the issue? You'd think Hillary would say sometuing about a female president being ousted, eh?
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Has the US pronounced anything on the issue? You'd think Hillary would say sometuing about a female president being ousted, eh? That's a terrible idea, given South America's history. The moment anything other than bland neutrality leaves a US offical's mouth you'll start to see accusations of bloody imperialism and interventionism on all sides. This is a cluaterfuck that the US would do well to stay away from.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Has the US pronounced anything on the issue? You'd think Hillary would say something about a female president being ousted, eh? I'm pretty sure we are more concerned about Zika and the Olympics not ending in blood and tears than we are about this. ^  ^Also Freezer's point is right on the money.
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:Has the US pronounced anything on the issue? You'd think Hillary would say sometuing about a female president being ousted, eh? Latin America's record with female presidents haven't been great, I mean, you have the devil's daughter Cristina Kirchner alongside Dilma Rouseff and Laura Chinchilla, compared to like, Michelle Bachelet. Then again, Latin America has had a record number of terrible presidents regardless of their gender.
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Apr 18, 2016 19:36
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Looks like Brazil won't be transforming into a world power any time soon. 
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Brazil is the country of the future, and always will be.
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fnox posted:Latin America's record with female presidents haven't been great, I mean, you have the devil's daughter Cristina Kirchner alongside Dilma Rouseff and Laura Chinchilla, compared to like, Michelle Bachelet. Keiko Fujimori....
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Outside of a military/communist coup, I don't think America gives a gently caress about what happens politically here - in the public sphere, of course. If we're talking about candidates, they give even less of a gently caress - there's nothing to be gained from taking a position about that issue, except for some international headaches. I'm just afraid this whole mess ends up making our extreme-right conservatives viable presidency options in...whenever the next general elections are, because who the gently caress knows anymore. Realistically, Marina Silva is the one that should get a boost next elections, perhaps a right liberal like Eduardo Jorge. Then again, realistically we shouldn't even be in this mess anymore.
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