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Obligatum VII posted:I think so, personally. If you thought the Champ was bad, well... Also, enjoy fighting that first phase again. Over and over and over... Unless Nameless King has a second phase on top of the first fight, the champ is probably gonna have been worse. Mainly because I feel like I could dodge his attacks if I get used to him. I never felt like I could comfortably dance with the Champ without getting shoulder checked into a coffin. I'm sick of killing his dragon though so I'm taking a break to go explore Lothric Castle. Did they literally just copy+paste Lothric Knights into the starting zone with lowered stats? No wonder they felt ridiculously stronger than any other first zone enemy in the series.
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Barudak posted:In addition to the Mirrah set of gear, Creighton of Mirrah, and the Alva set there are some more items that appear to be finished but are dummied out in the full game that reference more DS2 stuff. Yeah forgot about the Mirrah set, was even excited to get it. yhorm is just a big motherfucker, that's it. valstad was a huge guy too, as are those church guardians. they grow 'em big where he's from apparently.
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Being forced to PVP for some things, namely because I was never getting bluecop summoned and got bored, I haven't seen anyone but me using the Painting Guardian's Curved Sword which people may be ignoring because well it's short. It is however a loving murderer, especially when coupled with the bleeding buff as it naturally has a bleeding effect. It uses next to no stamina, has fast attack, and breaks down enemies stamina fast resulting in them "oh i can let him swing himself out. Even people who try and parry get messed up because it's pretty clear what they're trying to do and if they miss you can spam a full bleed into them before the recovery animation ends. Not to mention it's special attack does little damage but each chip adds bleeding and can crush stamina so if a guy tries to face tank it they explode, if they try and shield it they explode. It's the first weapon I've used since the Lothric Sword I got all the way back in Boreal Valley (which is great and efficient for how early you get it) and it's just really loving fun.
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Apr 18, 2016 06:20
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Man, I'm not going to lie, sorcery kind of sucks, I think they nerfed it way too much. I got to Irithyll of the Boreal Valley not long ago, for reference. This is pre-crystal stuff so maybe that's 100x better than the trash you're given but boy oh boy, for the cost in stamina and FP it sure doesn't do much. Pyromancy does what it does but a million times better, and doesn't take forever to cast.
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Apr 18, 2016 06:21
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what's the best strategy for the watchdogs of the old lords in Irithyl ? they are continuously wrecking me non-stop
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TheHoosier posted:Yeah forgot about the Mirrah set, was even excited to get it. yhorm is explicitly a giant. velstadt and vendrick being big was a plot point to do with aldia I think. like they got swole from his research, like how he made a dragon out of giant souls or w/e. I thin kthe implication with yhorm is that he's decended from the giant lord you kill in dark souls 2 but idk for sure
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Internet Kraken posted:Yohrm has to be different from DS2 giants. I mean, I originally thought he was one, but when you get his cinders its a big human skull. So obviously he can't be the same giant...unless some of them have human faces while others don't. Also the lore surrounding the profane capital really makes him sound like the giant lord from DS2 along with everything about his design except the human face. Its confusing as gently caress. To be fair, we never see the skull of a DS2 giant. For all we know they just have face foreskins.
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Manatee Cannon posted:yhorm is explicitly a giant. velstadt and vendrick being big was a plot point to do with aldia I think. like they got swole from his research, like how he made a dragon out of giant souls or w/e. I thin kthe implication with yhorm is that he's decended from the giant lord you kill in dark souls 2 but idk for sure It's not super clear, I think. He's descended from a conqueror and ruled over the conquered people, so presumably whatever the profaned capital is he was the king since the throne has the other of his two Storm Rulers. At somepoint he went to fulfill his duty to be Lord of Cinders, which he was somehow made one against his will, and that's when he started wielding a machete and shield. Then someone on his journey died, not clear who, and he only used the machete from then on. Siegward is his dear friend, mentioned obviously, and possibly the person who died?
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Welp, I guess I can't get the Dragonslayer Axe? Because I wasn't happy with how I progressed my character and wanted to redo without making a new game. Lovely.
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Well finally finished the game and, in a way, I'm glad it's over. I'm glad it ended on a high note. The last two bosses are pretty good Dark Souls material. Methodical, learnable, not overly frantic, and very atmospheric. As a whole the game has a lot of things holding it back. -Over reliance on late game bosses being able to 100-0 you with an ill timed hit from a combo even with solid Vigor investment gets tiresome. The boss design post-Pontiff is generally unsatisfying, in some cases Champion Gundyr feeling more like Bloodborne transplants ill suited to the tempo of Dark Souls. In other cases overly gimmicky as in Ancient Wyvern and Yhorm, and sometimes just plain tedious and unfun to deal with while posing little threat Aldrich. -Loot distribution is bad. Real bad. The linearity of the game makes it genuinely feel difficult to make a character that feels genuinely different until half the game is already passed, because the equipment and spells are so limited so early on. Unless you are a Pyromancer. Extremely high up front investment to make spellcasting worth a drat doesn't help in that regard. -Regarding the aforementioned linearity, that kind of thing just isn't what I play Dark Souls for. I like that in Dark Souls 1 and 2 you can approach the game world in a variety of different ways and priorities as befits the way you're trying to construct your character. Without that, I feel no pressing need to roll a second or third character whereas in DS1 and 2 that was literally the first thing I did after completing them. -Multiplayer's kind of a train wreck. Covenants like the Blue Sentinels have not only not learned from the mistakes of previous implementations but have taken steps back. Estus is almost impossible to punish, turning fights into overdrawn out grinds that are neither fun nor rewarding. It's a good game, but I feel no desire to have anything to do with it further in it's present state. Hopefully balance patches and DLC will help round out the experience. For now, Dark Souls 2 remains the most enjoyable of the lot to me.
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Apr 18, 2016 06:29
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TheHoosier posted:the DS2 tree next to the Shrine seems kinda out of place. The DS2 references aren't really common unless my memory of DS2 has just faded completely. Forossa, the Drang Knight set, Wolnir, the giant tree, the blind lady merchant, and that's it? Just seems random that there's a single solitary dead-giant-tree just chillin there. Karla and a whole bunch of other equipment that you can find throughout the game too.
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There's maybe 2-3 kinds of giants. DS1 style, tallish with dark grey skin and humanoid proportions and face masks ie. the blacksmith, the archers, the boulder giants in Sen's the returning ones in Cathedral and Dungeon that are like four times as big, now DS2 style, but face, grey stone like skin, very triangular bodies, turn into trees on death. and otherwise regular people who are just really loving tall but probably shouldn't be considered 'giants'. Yhorn is probably not a DS2 style? Maybe he's just drank his milk? Or I dunno?
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This is the weirdest thing to get hung up upon. Dark Souls 3 basically has two different species of Giants in it. It's kind of surprising you don't actually meet proper Dark Souls 2 Giant Lord enemies or whatever in some hidden zone in this game. Hell, maybe you will. Yhorn is a giant, and giant can be applied to at least two distinct races in Dark Souls.
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karla's a reference to yuria the witch from demon's soulsMazerunner posted:There's maybe 2-3 kinds of giants. the giant lord looked nothing like the other dks2 giants, but yhorm does look like him. giants are weird
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Dan Didio posted:Karla and a whole bunch of other equipment that you can find throughout the game too. yeah i'm dumb, I just noticed way more DS1 references than DS2. My NG+ run is always the super slow read-absolutely-everything-and-finish-NPC-quests run, so I'll probably notice more the second time through
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Apr 18, 2016 06:32
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Manatee Cannon posted:karla's a reference to yuria the witch from demon's souls Yes, but she's also one of the daughters of Manus.
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Quality of Life Fix Requested: Seed of the Giant Tree really means Seed of the Tree Giant. The seed comes from the tree that has sprouted over a giant where the tree is realtively normal sized, not from the giant loving tree you can see from Firelink shrine.
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Apr 18, 2016 06:33
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Manatee Cannon posted:karla's a reference to yuria the witch from demon's souls maybe... maybe boy giants look like yhorne, and girl giants have butt faces
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Captain Oblivious posted:Well finally finished the game and, in a way, I'm glad it's over. I'm glad it ended on a high note. The last two bosses are pretty good Dark Souls material. Methodical, learnable, not overly frantic, and very atmospheric. As a whole the game has a lot of things holding it back. 
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Dancer is a super awesome fight. Probably one of the most atmospheric bosses in the entire series. Also hard, but mostly fair. I feel like I'm making progress. Except for that loving grab 
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Giant face chat; Man, I kind of hate that they got rid of the screenshots option if you right click the steam icon now. What the gently caress, I used that a lot  now I have to open steam and navigate to screenshots through the stupid steam menus.
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Apr 18, 2016 06:37
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I just remembered where I had seen High Lord Wolnir before
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It is true that a lot of the best stuff is super late. Titanite chunks and other high level materials, certain infusion material, RTSR, hornet ring, BKH, most of the rings that increase various stats, also you have to go into NG+ and ++ to get the best versions of some rings which is kind of silly.
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I'm kind of curious to see where the speedrunning community goes with this one. Since it is pretty linear at first, and any build is going to lack something. And the speedrunning favorite ring, the red tearstone, is tucked away deep within Lothric Castle instead of being two minutes from the start like in DS1. And there's no way to farm souls to skip to the end like in DS2. Pretty much have to kill all the lords. Of course, someone will probably discover a bug that lets you roll through a wall and drop straight into the final boss arena. 
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BobTheJanitor posted:I'm kind of curious to see where the speedrunning community goes with this one. Since it is pretty linear at first, and any build is going to lack something. And the speedrunning favorite ring, the red tearstone, is tucked away deep within Lothric Castle instead of being two minutes from the start like in DS1. And there's no way to farm souls to skip to the end like in DS2. Pretty much have to kill all the lords. Of course, someone will probably discover a bug that lets you roll through a wall and drop straight into the final boss arena. people were doing it in less than 90 minutes before i had even seen a physical copy of the game so i am sure they are going to just downright annihilate it into something unrecognisable
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My question about the linearity is that can't you effectively skip right to a big chunk of the late game? By killing the WoB lady, the Dancer gets summoned. If you beat her, do you get access to the rest of Lothric Castle? Or do you have to still kill the first 3 lords of cinder to get there?
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So I killed electro worm, it was easy without the ballista. Turns out it has really stupid AI and by hitting it then walking away you just get it to repeat the electro shock pattern forever.
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Internet Kraken posted:My question about the linearity is that can't you effectively skip right to a big chunk of the late game? By killing the WoB lady, the Dancer gets summoned. If you beat her, do you get access to the rest of Lothric Castle? Or do you have to still kill the first 3 lords of cinder to get there? Not entirely sure, but you still need the souls to go to the final area; Lothric Castle just guards one of them that you need.
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Has anyone had success playing w/ friends with a huge level gulf? Me and my buddy both set passwords but it isn't showing up- we've heard that level shouldn't matter with the password though..
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I think you are required to beat all of the lords to beat the game
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Manatee Cannon posted:I think you are required to beat all of the lords to beat the game You can't even access the Grand Archives without having beaten the prior three lords.
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I've died more to Yhorm than any other boss in the game. I know how the Storm Ruler works. wtf
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Zombies' Downfall posted:I've died more to Yhorm than any other boss in the game. I know how the Storm Ruler works. wtf You 2 hand it, hold L2 until it flashes. While holding L2, press R1. Edit: I misread what you said! I'm dumb. Leaving what I wrote for posterity however.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:I've died more to Yhorm than any other boss in the game. I know how the Storm Ruler works. wtf Summoning friends makes the fight impossibly eazy. Also great to farm souls.
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Yeah I figured that out on my 2nd attempt, I'm just a weird idiot
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If STR is the main stat I'm focusing on, is Heavy usually better than a regular weapon? I don't think I've ever actually infused a weapon in any of these games. Right now all I have is a +4 Claymore and it's starting to feel a little weak in Irithyll and Smouldering Lake.
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if anyone is reading this thread and doesn't want to try sorcery due to all the negative feedback: for me its been the opposite, and i feel like im speeding through the game. I'm killing a lot of bosses first try. my playstyle isn't too sorcerer like i guess tho, I bumped my str to 10 to use the grass crest shield and a crystal long sword/raw broadsword. Soul arrows take out huge chunks of health and distance and its very easy to finish things off with the scaling on the long sword or a buffed broad sword. everything dies really, really quickly
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Lester Shy posted:If STR is the main stat I'm focusing on, is Heavy usually better than a regular weapon? I don't think I've ever actually infused a weapon in any of these games. Right now all I have is a +4 Claymore and it's starting to feel a little weak in Irithyll and Smouldering Lake. Yes.
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Welp finished the game in just under 40 hours for my first shot. drat I've never been more happy to throw down $60 on a game. I'm already hatching ideas for what builds to try now, I'm stuck between some kind of spellcaster and a truly insane luck build featuring Anri's sword and other hollow enchanted items. I hear vague tellings of a sorcery catalyst that adds luck scaling to sorceries which intrigues me. Similarly there's also a spear that makes sorceries scale on faith instead of intelligence. POSSIBILITIES.
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I think this infinite zombie graveyard is somehow worse than the lake. At least things in the lake went away and didn't infect me with maggots.
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