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It was how the air power elements interacts with the abrams that's my primary observation; the T-72 companies are a bit less v ulnerable to turn 1 losses.
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With Abrams you need to be very careful about how you expose yourself to enemy fire (also take max VLADs and keep them close the Abrams) because you can't let the soviet player focus most of their crazy amounts of firepower on them. I think that right now the Americans suffer from not having the Bradly available (or any dismounted tow upgrade for the mech platoons), ITV's don't really cut it as you end up putting most of them in reserve to get the stuff you really need (abrams, VLADs, M109s w/copperheads, mech platoons, etc...) on the table. By the time they start showing up its a free victory point for the Soviet player or you hide them so they don't die but also that means they do jack all for you. M60's might also be a good option depending on how BF is going to stat them for 1985. You should also suggest your NATO players try attacking at night (when available) as it really fucks over soviet's trying to spam BMP's (T-72's not so much).
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Well, I just ordered a couple of hundred dollars worth of 2mm horse and musket mans. Pray for me.
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The Dragon teams can damage T-72s, at least.
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Nude Bog Lurker posted:Well, I just ordered a couple of hundred dollars worth of 2mm horse and musket mans. Pray for me. 2mm!?
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Drybrush, done. Awesome scale. :P
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Plus you could play Waterloo on a seat tray in the back of a van on long trips. E: Also, a couple hundred dollars? Does that buy the entire Peninsula War?
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At 1:1 ratio.
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For the amount of effort that seemingly goes into creating Salute, I would have thought holding it on two days over a Saturday and Sunday would be warranted
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NTRabbit posted:For the amount of effort that seemingly goes into creating Salute, I would have thought holding it on two days over a Saturday and Sunday would be warranted This boggles my mind too, pretty much every convention here in Sweden are at least two days, with Friday-Sunday or Thursday-Sunday being standard. But I can also imagine that the rent is pretty high.
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NTRabbit posted:For the amount of effort that seemingly goes into creating Salute, I would have thought holding it on two days over a Saturday and Sunday would be warranted Yup, especially if you do demo games, you won't have time to shop at new vendors. But the venue costs a fortune and the vendors pay a lot to go (staff, hotel, parking).
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krushgroove posted:Salute was pretty cool, not as many clubs doing games as I thought there'd be, but lots of big retailers and a few extra companies were there with some cool stuff. I was taking video of all the stands and tables and was really surprised to see a 3mm battle in the same row of tables as a 54mm battle. drat. I thought Adepticon had a decent swag bag. That is a crazy amount of stuff. Team Yankee Talk: After seeing TY at Adepticon, and not purchasing it (due to the cost of the models,) I ordered the rulebook the other day because it seems like using 6mm is a very good alternative to the very nice (but very expensive) TY models. Also, this is my first foray into historicals (or alt-historicals, I suppose) so I'm hoping I made a good choice with TY - my group is mostly into the old GW Specialist Games (Epic and such,) so I'm assuming TY isn't too intensive? As an aside, is there any place to print out unit cards or a Quick Reference? I know the info is in the rulebook, but having it easily accessible would be dandy.
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berzerkmonkey posted:drat. I thought Adepticon had a decent swag bag. That is a crazy amount of stuff. Sorry, just to be clear this wasn't all free stuff, although the bag I got at the entrance of included a show miniature, a pair of Maelstrom's Edge plastic miniatures and the golden ticket for the free KR backpack. All that is my haul of goodies, minus a few Saga things which I forgot to include. krushgroove fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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Did you get to ask KR Multicase about the oath thread prizes? 
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krushgroove posted:Sorry, just to be clear this wasn't all free stuff, although the bag I got at the entrance of included a show miniature, a pair of Maelstrom's Edge plastic miniatures and the golden ticket for the free KR backpack. All that is my haul of goodies, minus a few Saga things which I forgot to include. Whew. I thought I was going to have to fly out next year just to get all that free stuff.
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Ha, I would too! Luckily I can claim the taxes back for various reasons, so I went a little wild...had to go to the car twice to drop off stuff! moths posted:Did you get to ask KR Multicase about the oath thread prizes? I wasn't able to talk to the owner but he was there, and with me having to claim the backpack prize I'm placing an order for foam trays and will remind them about prizes too.
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berzerkmonkey posted:drat. I thought Adepticon had a decent swag bag. That is a crazy amount of stuff. I suspect if you're already used to Specialist Games, Team Yankee should be a great addition.
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Man I just got my black powder acw book in and it's beautiful. It's definitely still a gentleman game, not crunchy rules, but really cool. Gotta motivate myself to paint dudes There is a special rule called Uppity muggins fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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I'm also starting to foray in 6mm, and I like the look of GHQ's stuff but I don't need the armor sold in sets of 5 or the infantry sold in sets of 50. Anyone know if they do partial orders?
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muggins posted:Man I just got my black powder ace book in and it's beautiful. It's definitely still a gentleman game, not crunchy rules, but really cool. Gotta motivate myself to paint dudes Is this Glory Hallelujah? I've been using the main book and rewrote some stuff using the pointing system in the back for my ACW battles, do you think the new book offers enough new stuff to really be worth it?
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berzerkmonkey posted:drat. I thought Adepticon had a decent swag bag. That is a crazy amount of stuff. The quick reference PDF is here; http://www.team-yankee.com/Default.aspx?tabid=878&art_id=5105
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Anyone got any views on 15mm AWI? Im thinking Blue Moon have some nice sculpts and a large range. Not sure what to buy (this is for SP2) thinking early war, and a fairly bog standard British force of line and maybe light/ skirmishers, and an American force with a small Continental unit and lots of militia and skirmisher types. Anyone know what uniform styles I want or should avoid? Im mainly looking you Colonial Air Force
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tallkidwithglasses posted:Is this Glory Hallelujah? I've been using the main book and rewrote some stuff using the pointing system in the back for my ACW battles, do you think the new book offers enough new stuff to really be worth it? I've actually never played a game of BP yet - I've kind of been waiting for the CW supplement plus I've never really had the motivation to paint 400 ACW dudes. I can't really offer a ton of opinion other than it's a really beautiful book
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Serotonin posted:Anyone got any views on 15mm AWI? Im thinking Blue Moon have some nice sculpts and a large range. Not sure what to buy (this is for SP2) thinking early war, and a fairly bog standard British force of line and maybe light/ skirmishers, and an American force with a small Continental unit and lots of militia and skirmisher types. Anyone know what uniform styles I want or should avoid? Im mainly looking you Colonial Air Force On the 15mm question, I don't know. I did 28mm and 10mm (for conversion ease). If it's early war, the continentals will have plenty of civilian uniforms, but if you want them in coats, they should be the long coats with turnbacks, not short ones. I would also suggest picking a theater (New England, Mid-Atlantic, Southern) if you want to be super accurate, because each region had its own things going on, uniform-wise (even with the Brits). Or just go generic!
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Colonial Air Force posted:On the 15mm question, I don't know. I did 28mm and 10mm (for conversion ease). http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/products.asp?cat=663 Any of those in particular? Going generic sounds easier though! Cheers. Serotonin fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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Painting the dudes is the killer part of all the mass combat historicals. I am absolutely enthralled by accounts of the ACW - probably the last major armed conflict where both sides lacked even rudimentary maps and largely stumbled around looking for each other based on vague cavalry dispatches and the "they went that-a-way" of the occasional sympathetic local. In terms of the "fog of war" aspect of wargaming, it offers some hilarious tactical challenges ("What do you mean my troops don't get a bonus for road movement? Oh, it was fresh gravel and they didn't have shoes. Right.") But, man. Painting all those tiny dudes. Even in 15mm, and doing like 10 or 15-to-1 "stands," it's still just an incredibly daunting prospect.
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^^^^ Yet another reason 6mm is Gods Own Scale. I painted two regiments of dismounted cavalry and a 3 piece artillery battery in about 3 hours a week ago. You can easily paint a stand of guys in less time it takes to knock out a tabletop quality 28mm mans and the sheer effect of tons of ranked 6mm guys is really unique in tabletop gaming. muggins posted:I've actually never played a game of BP yet - I've kind of been waiting for the CW supplement plus I've never really had the motivation to paint 400 ACW dudes. I can't really offer a ton of opinion other than it's a really beautiful book ...that's probably enough to get me to buy it, I'm a degenerate that loves both the ACW and Black Powder so I really should just double down.
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Yeah I definitely feel that painting about painting hundreds of Napoleonic dudes. I basically am all in on ACW because I know if I try to paint another. I would get burned out of painting dudes. I've thought about paying someone to do it but I've done so much research and I reenact and all that so I want everything to be super accurate plus it's always better playing with your own
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Serotonin posted:http://www.oldgloryminiatures.com/products.asp?cat=663 You'll see some say "cut down coats" you want to avoid that. For the Brits, I'd stick with 1768 Warrant, that'll always be early war. None of the Continentals looks like they're wearing the short coats, so you're good there. The roundhats were rare in New England, but that doesn't matter for you. I'd still stick with bicornes, though, they're what everyone thinks of.
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Cool. I think I will go for then New England theatre
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Serotonin posted:Cool. I think I will go for then New England theatre Definitely avoid roundhats, then. Also, New England wore mostly brown coats, occasionally green, with either red or white facings. For a brief period, we had the blue with WHITE facings (not red), but it was mostly just officers who had them throughout (since they bought them themselves). This is a list of facing colors I did for my own benefit for British units I will eventually paint up: 24th Foot - Willow Green (x2) 47th Foot - White 29th Light - Yellow 62nd Grenadiers - Yellowish Buff E: The 10th Foot also had yellow facings, and were at the early battles like Concord and Breed's Hill. For those, the Americans didn't have uniforms yet, but a lot of them were wearing hunting shirts.
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Hmm I wanted to do the blue coats to make them look very different from the militia types.
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Serotonin posted:Hmm I wanted to do the blue coats to make them look very different from the militia types. Well brown and green would be different, too. For blue coats, you could do New York, who still would have been in New England fighting (I really should call it the Northeast, but I'ma New Englander). E: And for a brief time in 1778, Mass. wore Blue faced White, but then immediately went back to Brown faced Red. 3 Action Economist fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Apr 19, 2016 |
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I mean I'm  here, it'd probably be fine to make them all blue with red facings, and make the Brits red with yellow, and everyone would be fine.
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It would be fine until I got my grog on and decided I need to rebuy the lot because they were wrong. This is how the grog gets you.
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Get some Osprey books!
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BeigeJacket posted:The quick reference PDF is here; Thanks, but I meant an "all the unit cards condensed to a page or two of info" type of quick reference.
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I got my Team Yankee infantry in the mail today and drat are they heavy. They're also really malleable too. Do they have a magnetized metal core or something?
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So it seems there's been a Saga community where I live for a while, it had just been hiding until I tripped over it on a visit to my FLGS yesterday! So I've already put in an order for a bunch of 11th century Knights. Gotta get my Norman on.  Or my Breton on. Or 1st Crusade.... Oh god the decisions.
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Phi230 posted:I got my Team Yankee infantry in the mail today and drat are they heavy. Just whatever pot metal mini's are normally made of.
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