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Theory: when you make a mistake and murder 70 innocent kids, you forfeit your value to society. Prison for life keeps you from making another whoopsie but the damage you've done transcends that. The community feels vulnerable after a core belief, like "my kids can go to camp and not be brutally massacred" is challenged. Sadistically executing the killer is more for the victims and community as a whole to feel safer. It doesn't matter if it prevents anything because it helps to restore confidence in society.
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Bishop posted:Theory: when you make a mistake and murder 70 innocent kids, you forfeit your value to society. Prison for life keeps you from making another whoopsie but the damage you've done transcends that. I kind of agree with this. Also let's say I am a dad and my daughter one day comes home with a black eye (I am never having children so don't worry about this and I am not even a male anyway). Anyway, as a dad I ask her how she got it and she sobs "it was him again". I would seriously sit there and consider going to her boyfriend's house and blasting double o buck right through his skull if I knew I'd be lounging in my pajamas playing Ridge Racer the rest of my life as punishment. Like, it would be something I could live with. I'd miss out on some stuff sure, but daily I would tell myself I did the right thing as I loaded my save file for Twisted Metal Black. In the US though? gently caress. That. I sure as poo poo ain't even considering that poo poo here. And I'm in liberal Connecticut. The fact that Norway's punishments are so laughable that it makes murdering someone something that I could actually sit there and say "yeah, I could deal with the repercussions" shows that their inmate coddling might actually fail at deterring some crimes. Isn't there some loving middle ground between tent city AZ and a loving PlayStation? jenny jones fan fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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Apr 21, 2016 03:04
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Lot of retard fuckers itt. As broken as the US justice system is, I'd still rather that than the one that gives a mass murderer a massive private cell, entertainment and basically opportunity to continue to preach his views. Like, apart from the fact that he should be dead for what he did, imagine how much this guy is going to cost the state over his lifetime? Imagine being a citizen that chips in a part of your income for his Playstation?
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Apr 21, 2016 03:24
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Ill Peripheral posted:Lot of retard fuckers itt. As broken as the US justice system is, I'd still rather that than the one that gives a mass murderer a massive private cell, entertainment and basically opportunity to continue to preach his views. Hey, it's so the job is a little easier for the guards so isn't that worth coddling a child killer?
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Apr 21, 2016 03:36
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i'd be really glad to live in a country where the murder rate per capita is 4-8 times as high if it means that when i see a school shooting on TV that the bad guy gets shot instead of being put in jail cell with a playstation 2 for life
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Apr 21, 2016 03:41
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ArbitraryC posted:Why not? Because the punishment for killing more than six dozen people should be harsher than the punishment a child receives for throwing their mashed potatoes against the wall at dinner.
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Apr 21, 2016 03:44
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ArbitraryC posted:Basically your options are either Last I checked, countries which choose option A tend to have way less violent crime than the US. If you're okay with more people being murdered as long as you get to feel like you're giving the killers what they deserve, you're no better than they are.
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Apr 21, 2016 03:48
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Grandmother of Five posted:i'd be really glad to live in a country where the murder rate per capita is 4-8 times as high if it means that when i see a school shooting on TV that the bad guy gets shot instead of being put in jail cell with a playstation 2 for life Maybe the murder rate in America Is a lot higher because of completely different reasons. You can't blame the prison system here for that one because most people convicted of murder are going to jail for the first time.
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Grandmother of Five posted:i'd be really glad to live in a country where the murder rate per capita is 4-8 times as high if it means that when i see a school shooting on TV that the bad guy gets shot instead of being put in jail cell with a playstation 2 for life Truly, capital punishment is the only significant difference between the US and Norway.
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Do it ironically posted:lmao he lives better than like 40% of americans i really hate that this story has been a meme for many months, maybe even a year or two now of him being spoiled and complaining about it i think the jokes remove people from realizing he literally lives better than i do, and probably half of goons
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Apr 21, 2016 03:49
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Grandmother of Five posted:i'd be really glad to live in a country where the murder rate per capita is 4-8 times as high if it means that when i see a school shooting on TV that the bad guy gets shot instead of being put in jail cell with a playstation 2 for life My view is not so much a middle ground as it is just putting a bullet in the heads of the likes of Breivik and keeping it the same for the rest. There's no reason to keep around unrepentant, legally sane mass murderers who are guilty beyond any doubt whatsoever, much less rewarding them with a victorious human rights lawsuit on Hitler's birthday. And I used to be opposed to the death penalty outright. It's much more troubling that prominent voices in Scandinavia and abroad are blaming his mass murder on "multiculturalism" (Sørine Godtfredsen, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, etc.) without consequence, and that Danish MPs are having dinner parties with his number one source of inspiration, the latter getting zero attention from the press. SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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Apr 21, 2016 04:01
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Sorry if its been addressed but why dont they just put him in general pop?
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Apr 21, 2016 04:32
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Colonel Cancer posted:They should just force all longterm prisoners to play WoW all day. I think I'd take WoW gold farmer over whatever poo poo job paid in pennies they force you to do in prison.
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Apr 21, 2016 04:34
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The Xbox one has the wrong kind of RAM. It's also too big to fit in the cell lmao.
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Apr 21, 2016 04:38
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How the hell can I start a terrorist organization against him?
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Apr 21, 2016 04:42
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SplitSoul posted:My view is not so much a middle ground as it is just putting a bullet in the heads of the likes of Breivik and keeping it the same for the rest. There's no reason to keep around unrepentant, legally sane mass murderers who are guilty beyond any doubt whatsoever, much less rewarding them with a victorious human rights lawsuit on Hitler's birthday. And I used to be opposed to the death penalty outright. What are you talking about dinner parties OP
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Apr 21, 2016 04:43
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Mumpy Puffinz posted:How the hell can I start a terrorist organization against him? I have running water and a towel. I can do it
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Apr 21, 2016 04:46
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skeletonotherkin posted:This does seem crazy, but remember if Norwegian prisons weren't so lax and comfy Varg would have never been able to record so much great music. This guy killed a bunch of children. Then he thought he was a hero
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Apr 21, 2016 04:49
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Revenants Return posted:What are you talking about dinner parties OP A member of parliament from the Danish People's Party invited Fjordman, Breivik's number one idol whom he cited 111 times in his manifesto, to a dinner party.
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Apr 21, 2016 05:03
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katlington posted:Sorry if its been addressed but why dont they just put him in general pop?
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Apr 21, 2016 05:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN35xxJqXKI
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Apr 21, 2016 05:05
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Solitary confinement is pretty much completely hosed up regardless of circumstances THERE I SAID IT I HAVE AN OPINION
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Apr 21, 2016 05:06
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gannyGrabber posted:Solitary confinement is pretty much completely hosed up regardless of circumstances THERE I SAID IT I HAVE AN OPINION is he solitary? Either way he has a nicer apartment than I could ever afford
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Apr 21, 2016 05:08
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Cockmaster posted:Last I checked, countries which choose option A tend to have way less violent crime than the US. If you're okay with more people being murdered as long as you get to feel like you're giving the killers what they deserve, you're no better than they are. Yeah for sure, but who knows if that's more of a causation or correlation stat so that's kind of shaky. It's like pointing out how places that ban abortion tend to have higher abortion rates, obviously making it illegal doesn't magically generate mor unwanted pregnancies it's just sort of linked with a society that shits on women and makes abortion more desirable.
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Apr 21, 2016 05:31
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gannyGrabber posted:Solitary confinement is pretty much completely hosed up regardless of circumstances THERE I SAID IT I HAVE AN OPINION Agreed for the most part, but when the alternative is finding him strung up by his PS2 controller and with Rayman 2: Revolution inserted into his rear end, it's an obvious choice.
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Apr 21, 2016 05:44
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SplitSoul posted:Agreed for the most part, but when the alternative is finding him strung up by his PS2 controller and with Rayman 2: Revolution inserted into his rear end, it's an obvious choice. wait, no. I want him to kill himself. Mumpy Puffinz fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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Apr 21, 2016 05:45
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I feel like prisons are pretty inhumane to begin with. Can't we just talk to the prisoner and ask him to stop his shenanigans? Sure he slipped up and killed 77 kids, sure he doesn't regret it and in fact revels in it, but maybe a truly enlightened society would forgive him for his mistake and integrate him again? I say let all prisoners free, locking them up in cells like animals is not morally defensible
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Apr 21, 2016 05:50
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if you're the kind of freedom hating European or socialist who doesn't want to give your government a mandate to give out death sentences or do torture, you pretty much have to keep some people locked up and attempt to provide them with ways to distract themselves during their confinement, which is possibly for the remainder of their lives, to such an extent that you don't end up doing what is effectively torture, and that's regardless of whether or not re-integration is feasible or not, which doesn't change a thing if you as a society have committed to the decision that death sentences and torture is something you don't want your government doing
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Apr 21, 2016 06:22
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This is what we should do imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6C1gSbS2os freeze em up, boyos
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Apr 21, 2016 06:26
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Zzulu posted:I feel like prisons are pretty inhumane to begin with. Can't we just talk to the prisoner and ask him to stop his shenanigans? Sure he slipped up and killed 77 kids, sure he doesn't regret it and in fact revels in it, but maybe a truly enlightened society would forgive him for his mistake and integrate him again? it really is when they kill a kindergarden
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Apr 21, 2016 06:32
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you shoot a bunch of kids, get locked up forever
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Apr 21, 2016 06:34
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and no ps2
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Apr 21, 2016 06:35
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i seriously fail to see any meaningful difference between this guy and everyone we hung at nuremberg like, there is crime, and there is this. what he did. it's special. it's in a whole other league.
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Apr 21, 2016 08:57
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He should be locked up with a 360 and Skate 2 with the glitched Moon jump patched out
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Apr 21, 2016 09:03
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Bishop posted:Theory: when you make a mistake and murder 70 innocent kids, you forfeit your value to society. Prison for life keeps you from making another whoopsie but the damage you've done transcends that. they were sending kids to labour camps!
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Apr 21, 2016 09:05
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also seriously, if this guy was a member of isis or something and not a homegrown perfect true aryan or what the gently caress ever, things would be quite a bit different, wouldn't they? You can't seriously tell me with a straight face that they wouldn't have shipped his rear end out for disposal, or that his handlers back home along with anyone unlucky enough to be standing near them wouldn't have been predator droned at the earliest convenience. White privilege has a face and it is this dude hanging out in his humble abode complaining to his lawyer about video games. Slow-Scan Shep fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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Apr 21, 2016 09:09
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Maybe he could get sent to an American prison so he can get killed in GenPop like he deserves.
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Apr 21, 2016 09:09
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it's almost as if the american prison system is designed exclusively for people like him and the Norwegian prison system is designed exclusively for everyone else
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Apr 21, 2016 09:15
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europeans used to be willing to spend millions of lives in global conflict against mass murderers now they feel guilty about giving one the off-brand controller
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papa_november posted:also seriously, if this guy was a member of isis or something and not a homegrown perfect true aryan or what the gently caress ever, things would be quite a bit different, wouldn't they? You can't seriously tell me with a straight face that they wouldn't have shipped his rear end out for disposal, or that his handlers back home along with anyone unlucky enough to be standing near them wouldn't have been predator droned at the earliest convenience. duh
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