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SlothfulCobra posted:There was a similar thing that happened in the Islamic world with Caliphs being murdered by their Turkish guards. By all means, you should have people around to protect the head of state in an emergency, but you've got to really vet them, since they're the ones in the best position for assassinations. One of the many conspiracy theory about the assassination of JFK revolves around the idea that a secret service agent accidently fired the shot that killed him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Error The theory is simple, elegant and makes a lot more sense than other theories about magic bullets and things like that. I've never read the book myself, but I saw a  documentary about this a few months back. It was interesting to say the least.
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Dalael posted:One of the many conspiracy theory about the assassination of JFK revolves around the idea that a secret service agent accidently fired the shot that killed him. God you are just the most credulous motherfucker.
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the JJ posted:God you are just the most credulous motherfucker. I was on my mobile when I read that post and didn't realize it was Dalael. The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Ask / Tell > Ask me about Roman/Greek/other ancient history: Jersey, Atlantis, and JFK: The Truth ITT
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Hamlet442 posted:ISIS breaking poo poo again. This time at Nineveh. Btw, did Saddam deface some ancient buildings?
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Hogge Wild posted:Btw, did Saddam deface some ancient buildings? Didn't he actually try to REBUILD ancient Babylon?
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Dalael posted:One of the many conspiracy theory about the assassination of JFK revolves around the idea that a secret service agent accidently fired the shot that killed him. Bullets do strange poo poo in bodies, there's no magic to it.
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Jerusalem posted:Didn't he actually try to REBUILD ancient Babylon? Yes! And with bricks that said "Babylon--brought to you by Saddam Hussein,"* and his face when they needed a figure for a wall carving ... *Which always reminds me of Khusrau's Better-Than-Antioch.
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the JJ posted:God you are just the most credulous motherfucker. I'm only pointing out to one of the many theories and did not say anything about whether I believe it or not. All I said is that it makes more sense than the magic bullet theory which a lot of people believe in. The fact that I'm aware of the existence of conspiracy theories and things like that doesn't mean I believe them, dumbass. It only means I find that stuff cool. Dalael fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Apr 21, 2016 |
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Caesar was really killed when his bodyguard (Titus Pullo) tripped and accidentally stabbed him with his magic gladius, Marcus Antonius seized on the opportunity to frame and get rid of the Optimates, wake up sheeple
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Vavrek posted:*Which always reminds me of Khusrau's Better-Than-Antioch. That has got to be one of history's greatest trolls, it was such an unbelievably petty thing to do 
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Animal posted:Caesar was really killed when his bodyguard (Titus Pullo*) tripped and accidentally stabbed him with his magic gladius, Marcus Antonius seized on the opportunity to frame and get rid of the Optimates, wake up sheeple *Lucius Vorenus, you filthy barbarian. 
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Dalael posted:I'm only pointing out to one of the many theories and did not say anything about whether I believe it or not. All I said is that it makes more sense than the magic bullet theory which a lot of people believe in. Let's forget the "debate" about Ancient Roman JFK assassins here. Are you seriously trying to pass this of as just a casual interest of yours? Just own up to your stupid theories, you aren't fooling anybody when you call it the "magic" bullet theory.
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Dalael posted:I'm only pointing out to one of the many theories and did not say anything about whether I believe it or not. All I said is that it makes more sense than the magic bullet theory which a lot of people believe in. We need to write some kind of peace treaty with Dalael.
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Dalael posted:I'm only pointing out to one of the many theories and did not say anything about whether I believe it or not. All I said is that it makes more sense than the magic bullet theory which a lot of people believe in. Lol gotcha I didn't say I believed this fringe theory, just that I found it simpler and more plausible than the widely accepted main stream view.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Let's forget the "debate" about Ancient Roman JFK assassins here. the JJ posted:Lol gotcha I didn't say I believed this fringe theory, just that I found it simpler and more plausible than the widely accepted main stream view. My job consists of spending hours doing nothing and waiting for bad things to happen. Since bad things don't happen often, I spend a lot of time reading while waiting. Some of the things I like to read, are conspiracy theories and other weird things. So yes, it is a casual interest. When I refer to the "magic bullet theory", I do not mean the official version of the Warren commission (Known as the single bullet theory) which actually does make sense. I'm talking about the people who claim the official version would only make sense if the bullet stopped in mid air for 11 seconds, then turned sideways and did a 90 degree turn. The theory that the author of Mortal Error put forth does not have any "magic" or extra shooters or anything like that. It is pretty consistent with the findings of the warren commission but differs in one way. It claims the "kill shot" that blasted JFK's head open was accidently shot by a secret service agent who was in the vehicle behind the one JFK was riding on. Something about the guy picking up his AR-15 when the events when down, and accidently pulling on the trigger when he fell back in his seat after the driver of his car accelerated. This is the documentary in question. JFK The Smoking Gun
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How about you go to some other place to post about JFK and Atlantis.
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Hogge Wild posted:How about you go to some other place to post about JFK and Atlantis. How about you step on a lego and then bang your shin?
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Dalael posted:How about you step on a lego and then bang your shin? Wow, rude.
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Dalael posted:How about you step on a lego and then bang your shin? Why Dalael, this is violence!
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Somebody needs to seize some imperium and proscribe Dalael.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:This is also why things like the Varangian Guard got introduced, that were loyal to the position, not the man. It led to some crazy stuff like them arriving too late to stop an assassination and instead kneeling to the assassin, but they themselves were less involved in murdering the siting Emperor. Not if you ask Harald Hardrada, who claimed to have personally blinded the Emperor and seduced his wife (or Aunt possibly? Very byzantine). And to have been supreme commander of the Varangian Guard, and possibly the entire army. And also conquered Jerusalem. The sagas may, uh, not be entirely trustworthy as historical sources. Personally my favourite thing about Harald's saga is that he's consistently described as being something like 8 foot tall and super strong, but at no point in the entire account can I recall him actually fighting someone. Just wheels and deals his way out of problems with judicious application of "lying your arse off to foreigners". He sounds like such a character I almost wish he'd won in 1066. mossyfisk fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Apr 22, 2016 |
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Hogge Wild posted:How about you go to some other place to post about JFK and Atlantis. Words of wisdom.
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PittTheElder posted:Somebody needs to seize some imperium and proscribe Dalael. What's the Latin for moderator? ... Wait
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Jerusalem posted:Why Dalael, this is violence! I enjoyed this allusion.
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Hamlet442 posted:ISIS breaking poo poo again. This time at Nineveh. I've thought about why the destruction of ruins and artifacts feels so especially offensive among the countless atrocities and massacres, and I've come to the conclusion that it's essentially a secular experience of blasphemy.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I've thought about why the destruction of ruins and artifacts feels so especially offensive among the countless atrocities and massacres, and I've come to the conclusion that it's essentially a secular experience of blasphemy. But ruins like Palmyra are beautiful, irreplaceable, and historically important whereas swapping the baby jesus in the manger for a goat in a plastic nativity scene is funny as hell and not destroying anything.
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Nero did Rome/11! 
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Hamlet442 posted:ISIS breaking poo poo again. This time at Nineveh. Well at least they've only reverted the site to about what it was before the 20th century rebuilding project.
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Thump! posted:Nero did Rome/11! Did you notice how there wasn't any christians around that day?
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:I've thought about why the destruction of ruins and artifacts feels so especially offensive among the countless atrocities and massacres, and I've come to the conclusion that it's essentially a secular experience of blasphemy. I remember clearly a point made by a friend in a political philosophy class we had years ago. That day, the class's topic was censorship, and we were going over detailed reasons for and against it. The professor, I think, put forward the idea that you could think of censorship of intellectual studies as not causing lasting, permanent harm, because information which was one day suppressed could always be (re)discovered later, in a more permissive time. (An awful example, off the top of my head, would be the Nazi's rejection of "Jewish Physics". Assuming, for the moment, that there was any actual good to antisemitic censorship, you'd get that benefit, and could discover relativity later.) Not a strong argument in favor of the practice, just a claim that its harms might not be as great as they're made out to be. My friend pointed out: "Not history. " Natural sciences, sure, physics, mathematics, definitely. That (mild) case holds. But history, anthropology, language, anything about people who could be killed, or whose works could be destroyed, that sort of thing could be lost forever.  It's why, as much as Lives of Famous Whores deserves being mentioned as often as it is in this thread, the real lost work I'd love to have found is Claudius's history of the Etruscans.
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Thump! posted:Nero did Rome/11! Caracalla did 211 (He murdered his co-emperor, Geta.) Antiphon did 411 BC (Overthrew the government in Athens and instituted an oligarchy)
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Vavrek posted:I remember clearly a point made by a friend in a political philosophy class we had years ago. That day, the class's topic was censorship, and we were going over detailed reasons for and against it. The professor, I think, put forward the idea that you could think of censorship of intellectual studies as not causing lasting, permanent harm, because information which was one day suppressed could always be (re)discovered later, in a more permissive time. (An awful example, off the top of my head, would be the Nazi's rejection of "Jewish Physics". Assuming, for the moment, that there was any actual good to antisemitic censorship, you'd get that benefit, and could discover relativity later.) Not a strong argument in favor of the practice, just a claim that its harms might not be as great as they're made out to be. See also Diego De Landa and the Maya.
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FAUXTON posted:Caracalla did 211 watch menelaus start a loving war
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Telsa Cola posted:See also Diego De Landa and the Maya. In a surprise twist De Landa is also one of the reasons why we know so much about the Maya: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relaci%C3%B3n_de_las_cosas_de_Yucat%C3%A1n
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FAUXTON posted:But ruins like Palmyra are beautiful, irreplaceable, and historically important whereas swapping the baby jesus in the manger for a goat in a plastic nativity scene is funny as hell and not destroying anything. It's destroying something not-secular.
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Alhazred posted:In a surprise twist De Landa is also one of the reasons why we know so much about the Maya: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relaci%C3%B3n_de_las_cosas_de_Yucat%C3%A1n Yeah Its actually my area of study. But its a more of a "I wrote down loads of stuff about them and their history so we can convert them better and then burned all their books and ancestor's remains because y'all couldn't just except the loving embrace of Jesus." Then a "These guys are pretty cool lets record them for future generations".
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Ynglaur posted:It's destroying something not-secular. Oh I'm sure stoneworks which got blown up with dynamite and then bulldozed can just be swapped back into place.
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I mean ISIS is already committing blasphemy if you happen to believe in the Gods whose relics they are destroying.
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FAUXTON posted:Caracalla did 211 Athens was always an oligarchy. 
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Jerusalem posted:Which Emperor was it who got assassinated because soldiers overheard him joking that Rome was so peaceful now that the army was just going to be glorified road-builders from now on? Probus. Poor guy.
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