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Helen Highwater posted:Even the nutbaggiest conspiracy theorists don't deny that two airliners actually hit the towers. Oh, you sweet summer child. 
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Mar 21, 2016 13:04
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Usually the reason for demolition is like occultism or goooooooooooold buggery
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Mar 21, 2016 13:58
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Helen Highwater posted:Even the nutbaggiest conspiracy theorists don't deny that two airliners actually hit the towers. Actually, one spiel I've heard from my dad is: Hollywood CGI is a couple of years behind what the government is capable of. What actually happened is that the gov't has the ability to generate CGI in real-time, and insert it into news feeds live. The planes didn't exist, and nothing ever hit the towers - you just saw the NSA or whatever create a pixel-perfect image (for the resolution of TV at that time) of what a plane flying into the WTC would have looked like.
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Mar 21, 2016 14:30
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And I guess everyone living and working in one of the most densely populated locations on the planet, completely failed to notice any discrepancy between the CNN feed and what they could plainly see out of their windows?
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Mar 21, 2016 14:37
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Caconym posted:Oh, you sweet summer child. When I was watching it happen live in 9th grade, the dude next to me said that it was probably a plane shaped cruise missile that the CIA had. He was thinking it was a conspiracy before the firefighters arrived.
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Mar 21, 2016 14:49
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Helen Highwater posted:And I guess everyone living and working in one of the most densely populated locations on the planet, completely failed to notice any discrepancy between the CNN feed and what they could plainly see out of their windows? Well of course people could see the planes, how dumb do you think the government is? Obviously, the 9/11 planes were actually holograms projected by the government to mislead people while they blew up the towers in a controlled demolition. You know this is true because of how the planes disappear immediately on impact, and how there was no substantial plane debris found. Planes are huge, why didn't we find the wrecked fuselage? WHAT ARE YOU HIDING OBAMA?! Also the reason they had to do 9/11 instead of a bombing campaign is that they also needed a cover event to remove the billions in gold stored in the WTC basement vault. With the collapse of the towers obviously that gold could be claimed as 'lost' and instead used to fund the shadow government. If they hadn't collapsed WTC7 then the ruse might have been discovered!
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Mar 21, 2016 15:59
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One of the reasons for the "controlled demolition" justification is that the Empire State Building was hit by a plane in the 1930s and was at basically no risk of collapse. Therefore, planes can't knock down buildings! This is, of course, ignoring that the Empire State Building and World Trade Center towers were built in entirely different methods and the World Trade Center was much "flimsier" when it came to massive structural damage and intense heat. Another is the theory that it was an insurance scam: Larry Silverstein took out insurance on the towers a year earlier that covered terrorist attacks, and received $4.6 billion in compensation for 9/11. What the conspiracy ignores is that the actual value of the towers was significantly higher and the insurance contracts were incomplete, resulting in a lot of legal arguments to even get that level of payout. A similar argument is that the buildings were full of asbestos and Silverstein was clued in on the demolition plot beforehand, so he jumped on the opportunity for cheap and easy asbestos removal!
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Mar 21, 2016 20:05
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chitoryu12 posted:One of the reasons for the "controlled demolition" justification is that the Empire State Building was hit by a plane in the 1930s and was at basically no risk of collapse. Therefore, planes can't knock down buildings! This is, of course, ignoring that the Empire State Building and World Trade Center towers were built in entirely different methods and the World Trade Center was much "flimsier" when it came to massive structural damage and intense heat. The plain that hit the WTC was also much smaller, much slower, carrying much less fuel that was less volatile, made a blow to the side rather than dead center...
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Mar 21, 2016 20:19
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chitoryu12 posted:One of the reasons for the "controlled demolition" justification is that the Empire State Building was hit by a plane in the 1930s and was at basically no risk of collapse. Therefore, planes can't knock down buildings! This is, of course, ignoring that the Empire State Building and World Trade Center towers were built in entirely different methods and the World Trade Center was much "flimsier" when it came to massive structural damage and intense heat. The 767s that hit the towers were also more than 10x as massive, traveling much faster. Hell, the fuel alone on the 767s would probably outweighh the mass of the entire B-25 that hit the Empire State building.
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Mar 21, 2016 20:29
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Gully Foyle posted:The 767s that hit the towers were also more than 10x as massive, traveling much faster. Hell, the fuel alone on the 767s would probably outweighh the mass of the entire B-25 that hit the Empire State building. Rational Wiki (which is admittedly a decent resource despite being insufferable at times) did the math on it: quote:The two incidents were very different. Although smaller than the towers were, The Empire State Building is a much heavier building. The Empire State Building is a steel-framed structure with movement-resisting bolted or riveted connections: this means that every joint resists bending moments and wind forces and the load from any failed/ damaged columns can be redistributed, whereas the WTC's steel framed-tube configuration allowed only the exterior wall to resists bending moments due to wind. The Empire State Building's structure can redistribute loads from failed/damaged columns, but the core steel columns of the Twin Towers only supported downward loads. I did some math on the fuel load and the maximum fuel load of a 767-223ER should weigh about 163,910 pounds. This obviously isn't how much was in the tanks upon impact, but a B-25H has a max takeoff weight of only 35,000 pounds. So "the fuel weighed more than the whole B-25" is probably correct. chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Mar 21, 2016 |
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Mar 21, 2016 21:30
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the b-25 pilots were lost in the fog over NYC, which is a pretty oh poo poo situation for pilots to be in, so they were poking along at barely above stall speed trying to figure out where they were so that they wouldn't crash into a building before they ended up crashing into a building, so you can further revise the math downwards from a b-25's max speed to it's min speed when comparing the events
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Mar 21, 2016 21:38
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So it turns out the "doctor" who lost his medical license for a falsified study linking autism to vaccines has produced an anti-vaccination documentary, and it got accepted by the Tribeca Film Festival. I've already seem some anti-vaxxers crowing about what a great thing this is, and how the vaccination movement is going to crumble any day now. Others are being more sane. This bit from the article by another documentary filmmaker sums things up pretty well. quote:Dear Tribeca Film Festival, I love you but you made a very serious mistake.
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Mar 24, 2016 19:00
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Conspira Sea sounds absolutely bonkers, I read a really good article about it here I feel like the very first sentence is practically the highlight. The author is loving brilliant to think of putting this at the beginning: quote:“Once we’re in international waters, every woman on the ship gets to make love to whoever she wants,” Sean David Morton said, with a wink.
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Mar 25, 2016 08:03
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Interesting read on Conspira Sea. I always love peeking into an alien worldview like that. "If there was one consistent idea, it was that we’re all caught in a bewildering and vicious system. Someone is the oppressor, whether it’s the Illuminati or someone from the WHO trying to stick you with needles. Something must be escaped, mastered, transcended. If you’re lucky, and have the right set of tools and devices—more on those in a minute—you can break free. Even mortality and death, in this context, are little more than a vicious game, one that can be beaten."
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Mar 25, 2016 08:36
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Vivian Darkbloom posted:Interesting read on Conspira Sea. I always love peeking into an alien worldview like that. This really does sum up the central thesis of all conspiracy theories.
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Mar 25, 2016 13:59
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Sounds like a breeding ground for Luciferians.
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Mar 25, 2016 14:03
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The Swedish commercial air traffic interest group Svenskt Flyg posted this on their twitter today: https://twitter.com/SvensktFlyg/status/715785748235030530 Translation: "Big thanks to @ArmedForces and @SecurityPolice for good and fruitful cooperation these last years!"
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Apr 1, 2016 13:24
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Mr. Sunshine posted:The Swedish commercial air traffic interest group Svenskt Flyg posted this on their twitter today: That's great. I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding like this: 
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Apr 3, 2016 03:11
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April 1st joke that all the crazy fuckers are going to take as an admission of guilt.
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Apr 3, 2016 06:16
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I want to hear opinions and see funny clips about this new 28 pages media flurry and also the Panama Papers. Alex Jones is having a field day. As i understand it the bill only allows for POSSIBILITY of holding Saudi culpable for 9/11 and doesn't in any way assign blame to them (yet).
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Apr 18, 2016 07:52
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GutBomb posted:That's great. I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding like this: Words cannot express how much I love this ad, because I can see the thought process that takes it from "What's a cool thing kids are saying these days?" and manages to go through a bunch of old white guys giving it their thumbs up without ever asking anyone outside their bubble "Hey, what does 'I'd hit it' mean?" E: VVV While appropriate speculation for the conspiracy thread, I doubt it, because it's just a tiny Internet banner ad. If they really wanted to do that, it'd probably be a TV spot. WampaLord fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Apr 18, 2016 |
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Apr 18, 2016 14:02
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WampaLord posted:Words cannot express how much I love this ad, because I can see the thought process that takes it from "What's a cool thing kids are saying these days?" and manages to go through a bunch of old white guys giving it their thumbs up without ever asking anyone outside their bubble "Hey, what does 'I'd hit it' mean?" Alternately, they decided running an ad about someone loving a burger would get them a bunch of publicity.
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Apr 18, 2016 14:08
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The Larch posted:Alternately, they decided running an ad about someone loving a burger would get them a bunch of publicity. Occam's Razor, it's a lot more likely that some marketing execs didn't know what the gently caress they were doing (because they almost never do)
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Apr 18, 2016 19:43
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The whole conspirasea thing sounds like a convenient honeypot to round up and exterminate those who know too much.
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Apr 18, 2016 22:26
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Anyone have that video of the guy believing in extra dimensional demons debunking historical conspiracies?
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Apr 18, 2016 22:33
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The illuminati made me double post
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WampaLord posted:Words cannot express how much I love this ad, because I can see the thought process that takes it from "What's a cool thing kids are saying these days?" and manages to go through a bunch of old white guys giving it their thumbs up without ever asking anyone outside their bubble "Hey, what does 'I'd hit it' mean?" They should capitalise on their mistake by running a series of ads describing what other foodstuffs the dollar menu guy would gently caress
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Apr 19, 2016 15:30
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Illuminti posted:They should capitalise on their mistake by running a series of ads describing what other foodstuffs the dollar menu guy would gently caress It's about 12 years too late to capitalize on that campaign.
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Apr 19, 2016 16:23
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fishmech posted:It's about 12 years too late to capitalize on that campaign. I live in a lead lined bunker and subsist on mushrooms i grow in a cave I carved out underneath my living area. I only really came out to see if it was acceptable to hump food now. Disappointed i missed my window
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FZ1LM7H3Ow When did Corgan go nuts? And get fat?
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Apr 24, 2016 03:53
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Sir Tonk posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FZ1LM7H3Ow He's always been pretty nuts IIRC, you just get more passes on it when you're still successful.
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Apr 24, 2016 03:57
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TRUE FACTS from some guy I met: -The only reason Yo-Yo Ma got famous was because "they" (the sinister liberal-Islamist alliance) didn't want yet another famous Jewish violinist -The reason why cops are called "pigs" is because when they retire, they're ready for the slaughter. By which he means, the Black Panthers kill them. -This is done primarily through contact poisons. -Many things are done via contact poison. -Contact poisons that are very hard to detect unless you know what you're looking for (he knows what he's looking for). -The reason his art career never took off was because he wasn't liberal/gay enough for Them. -He's not saying that the Ottoman Empire was behind the Hindenburg disaster, and also for starting World War I, but wasn't it awfully convenient for them that all the old colonial powers were suddenly killing each other??? -The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is partly true, you just have to change "Jews" to "Muslims." Because it's actually a description of the sinister Islamic conspiracy to take over the world. Also, the reason it's anti-Jewish is because of the Jesuits. -Speaking of the Catholic-Islamic alliance, he's pretty sure that the reason why women used to have to cover their heads in church was because the Catholics were trying to appeal to people "from a certain part of the world." At some point, I think this sort of delusion stops being paranoia and starts being a sort of liberation from your lovely life, a gnostic apotheosis.
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DKD posted:TRUE FACTS from some guy I met: I love this one for the implication that the Ottomans had a sleeper cell around for over 20 years past when the empire collapsed, just to sabotage the Hindenburg. That's some long term planning.
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Apr 24, 2016 06:18
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There's a crazy person van that drives around my town that's covered with OTTOMAN EMPIRE REBORN stuff and how HARP and CHEMTRAILS and obama are all part of some neo-ottoman empire plot.
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Apr 24, 2016 06:36
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Prince was murdered http://www.infowars.com/special-report-was-prince-murdered-by-illuminati-record-execs/
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Apr 24, 2016 09:15
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppt_QjbEiPo Rubinsky had nothing to do with the Great Heinessen Fire - but the official Kaiser investigation considered it all part of the Galactic War on Terra
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Apr 24, 2016 11:38
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ChaseSP posted:Anyone have that video of the guy believing in extra dimensional demons debunking historical conspiracies? Do you mean the ancient aliens thing? Where the guy used to believe it then gave up? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9w-i5oZqaQ
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Apr 24, 2016 12:15
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DKD posted:TRUE FACTS from some guy I met: Hm, a racist, antisemitic, homophobic paranoid who blames others for his failed art career. 
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Mercury Hat posted:Do you mean the ancient aliens thing? Where the guy used to believe it then gave up? That is it. Although I thought the guy still believed in that "theory" he goes on about at the end. I wanted it on hand to show to a dude that believes aliens have had an essential role in history.
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Mercury Hat posted:Do you mean the ancient aliens thing? Where the guy used to believe it then gave up? The funny thing about the guy they have on to talk about ancient text, Michael Heiser, he's a very strong Christian, but gets tons of hate from the Christian community becuase he's incredibly well versed in ancient texts, especially the bible, and he dispels a lot of the ideas that most Modern Christians believe.
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