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The army has an unbelievably toxic culture so it's not surprising that people who survive (or worse thrive in) it tend to have some pretty heinous attitudes. It's taken me a long time to help my housemate understand the difference between what was drilled into them in the army and the way the real world works. I remember they used to have a go at me when I didn't go to work because I had a cold because I was being "weak" and a "malingerer" and I was like, "What the poo poo, work would send me home when I'm like this because they don't want me sicking up the place and getting everyone else unwell!". It's like all the bullying and exclusion and abuse and power games of children translated into the adult world, they grab these kids at 17 and make sure they never ever grow up. At least that's my limited experience of people who have served (as infantry) and gotten out.
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hooman posted:The army has an unbelievably toxic culture so it's not surprising that people who survive (or worse thrive in) it tend to have some pretty heinous attitudes. It's taken me a long time to help my housemate understand the difference between what was drilled into them in the army and the way the real world works. I remember they used to have a go at me when I didn't go to work because I had a cold because I was being "weak" and a "malingerer" and I was like, "What the poo poo, work would send me home when I'm like this because they don't want me sicking up the place and getting everyone else unwell!". Ive seen this too, at the same time, the Army puts a rifle in a young adults hands and expects them to act like adults. It becoming routine to see and hear 50 year olds treat 30 year olds as children.
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hooman posted:The army has an unbelievably toxic culture so it's not surprising that people who survive (or worse thrive in) it tend to have some pretty heinous attitudes. It's taken me a long time to help my housemate understand the difference between what was drilled into them in the army and the way the real world works. I remember they used to have a go at me when I didn't go to work because I had a cold because I was being "weak" and a "malingerer" and I was like, "What the poo poo, work would send me home when I'm like this because they don't want me sicking up the place and getting everyone else unwell!". Malingerer? Seriously?
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Apr 25, 2016 08:24
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Why yes let's hang poo poo on our servicemen on ANZAC Day. Eat a dick.
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Apr 25, 2016 08:33
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bigis posted:Why yes let's hang poo poo on our servicemen on ANZAC Day. I'm glad of it, lol
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Apr 25, 2016 08:36
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bigis posted:Why yes let's hang poo poo on our servicemen on ANZAC Day. Wish they'd service me. 
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Apr 25, 2016 08:41
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I sure can't see any good reason to critique the culture of violence and intimidation in our armed forces on a day when servicemen get together, drink heavily and have to constantly be talked out of fighting civvies and each other by their COs
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Apr 25, 2016 08:44
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katlington posted:Malingerer? Seriously? Yes, literally "malingerer". One of the more  stories I was told was about my housemate being knocked unconscious after being hit with a truck door in the temple and then after they woke up getting up and keeping working because getting medical attention for poo poo like that was considered "slacking".Everything I've heard about the infantry makes it sound like this insane nightmare where everyone involved has no idea how loving awful and damaging it is because they've never known anything outside of it. bigis posted:Why yes let's hang poo poo on our servicemen on ANZAC Day. gently caress off, I'm talking about how much our lovely broken army culture is damaging to them and loving up their lives. Go fellate a sergeant that expects sexual favors from their female subordinates.
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Apr 25, 2016 08:46
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Whoa Hooman can you please not insinuate that our soldiers are not bastions of morality and MateShip on this auspicious day, it offends my sensibilities
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Apr 25, 2016 08:52
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MC Eating Disorder posted:I sure can't see any good reason to critique the culture of violence and intimidation in our armed forces on a day when servicemen get together, drink heavily and have to constantly be talked out of fighting civvies and each other by their COs Is this really a thing? Every year I attend 2-3 services and have not once seen a vet or current soldier act like this.
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Apr 25, 2016 08:54
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Zenithe posted:Is this really a thing? Every year I attend 2-3 services and have not once seen a vet or current soldier act like this. It's a pretty obnoxious minority and it never happens at actual services and parades but in the pub industry you roster more guards on for ANZAC day than literally any other day in the year because the sheer volume of violent incidents skyrockets
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Apr 25, 2016 08:58
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bigis posted:Why yes let's hang poo poo on our servicemen on ANZAC Day. i've served, i'm allowed to. suck my dick
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Apr 25, 2016 09:01
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Dude McAwesome posted:i've served, i'm allowed to. suck my dick Thanks for your service.
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Zenithe posted:Is this really a thing? Every year I attend 2-3 services and have not once seen a vet or current soldier act like this. this is most certainly a thing. depending on whether you're in brisane, townsville, darwin, some suburbs in melbourne/adelaide/perth it can be a massive thing.
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Apr 25, 2016 09:03
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bigis posted:Thanks for your service. 
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Apr 25, 2016 09:05
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bigis posted:Thanks for your service. what i'm trying to get at friend, is that the day is out of control and has turned from a day of remembrance to a day of 'gently caress i'm cool, look at my shiney medals' *punches out some other guy cos he has a different badge on his cap* (that is a real thing that i've seen happen)
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Apr 25, 2016 09:05
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That wasn't sarcastic, cheers man.
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Apr 25, 2016 09:07
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bigis posted:That wasn't sarcastic, cheers man. I think old mate is a an ex class traitor and ashamed of it m8
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Apr 25, 2016 09:09
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bigis posted:That wasn't sarcastic, cheers man. bigis, your reaction of "servicemen are above reproach and can't be slagged off" goes hand in hand with my earlier comments of how servicemen think they're immune to criticism based solely on the fact that they have served. As soon as someone says anything slightly critical about the ADF they're branded as "traitor", "communist" or whatever. No-one in this thread has slagged off the ANZACs, and I'm sure most people are thankful in their own way. Being thankful for past sacrifice(s) does not have to extend into tolerating bad/childish behaviour by our most recent generation of veterans. I don't know how many vets/servicemen/servicewomen you know or have on FB or instagram or whatever. But at this time of year, increasingly so for the last several years, it turns into an absolute poo poo-show of "who can post the warriest selfie" or "who can look pensively on in thought while wearing full dress uniform" all while being photographed with the sole intention of farming likes on FB or whatever. It's hosed, and that's not what the day is about. Me? I've lamented that it's no longer a day of remembrance. Which then spurred a conversation about how the ADF has a lovely, abusive culture. I'm sorry about the "suck my dick" comment. That was uncalled for. MC Eating Disorder posted:I sure can't see any good reason to critique the culture of violence and intimidation in our armed forces on a day when servicemen get together, drink heavily and have to constantly be talked out of fighting civvies and each other by their COs loving nailed it man, absolutely loving nailed it. edit: and we've touched a nerve somewhere. thanks for the sweet new av? Dude McAwesome fucked around with this message at 09:50 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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Apr 25, 2016 09:45
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holy crap I finally managed to piss someone off enough to buy me an avatar sorry for not worshipping our boys as literal gods I guess
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hey cool I just noticed it is animated and has all three logos on it thats nice I guess, I forgot how much I actually like the airforce symbol
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MC Eating Disorder posted:hey cool I just noticed it is animated and has all three logos on it thats nice I guess Kudos to whoever made it, it's put together nicely. Nice and transparent. Transition takes a bit long though.
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bigis posted:Why yes let's hang poo poo on our servicemen on ANZAC Day. lol bigis posted:That wasn't sarcastic, cheers man. you loving suck, you thin-skinned dummy. This is absolutely the day where we can have conversations about how we feel about the military and what we think this days means to us. so basically 
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I guess he didn't change my av because he respects my service history with the Fourth Stimpire 
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Whoever it was I think we can be assured they aren't actually a member of the defense forces because no way anybody who lives in that environment could be so thin skinned
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Apr 25, 2016 10:13
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My post was in response to dumb stuff likeMurodese posted:I know a few guys in signals and the SAS and they're generally good people, but standard infantry are literally a waste of life. Yet to meet a rifleman that didn't suck rear end.
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Apr 25, 2016 10:18
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I have to wonder just how much they spent on this. I think he's hit at least 5 people?
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Apr 25, 2016 10:19
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Lowtax can buy a slab for ANZAC day.
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bigis posted:My post was in response to dumb stuff like well to be fair every rifle grunt dude I've met has been an insufferable shitheel so idk I think he's on to something.
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bigis posted:My post was in response to dumb stuff like It makes more sense when you remember that the only way you become a rifleman is to fail literally every aptitude test thrown at you
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Lowtax can buy a slab for ANZAC day. Perhaps a slab of VB VICTORIA BITTER, raising a glass to LEGACY for the GALLIPOLLI CENTENARY, proudly presented by PETER COSGROVE and VB remember when VB collaborated with Peter Cosgrove on beer ads for ANZAC and Remembrance Day? (Or maybe it was just ANZAC Day)
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I am glad that the RSLs do not at all enable veterans to get reaaaaaaaally drunk on ANZAC day. Maybe that's my own perception.
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Apr 25, 2016 10:30
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Can't believe it has been a whole year since #freshinourmemories.
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bigis posted:My post was in response to dumb stuff like 
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Can't believe it has been a whole year since #freshinourmemories. did...did you forget?
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thatbastardken posted:did...did you forget? Never forget
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-15/critics-disgusted-by-'vulgar'-commercialisation-of-anzac-day/6395756quote:'Brandzac Day': Historian criticises 'new low in the commercialisation of Anzac'
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My dad served in the army for 20 years. When I finished school he told me to do anything I wanted, except become a rifleman. That is my ANZAC day anecdote.
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