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EvilJoven posted:Too bad most of the public is unaware of or ignoring the fact that private sector productivity is at an all time high and is almost completely detached from the well-being of the average citizen at this point. Canada's private sector's rate of productivity growth is actually worse than it was a few decades ago, and the gap in productivity between us and most of the rest of the OECD had grown rather than shrunk. You can chalk it up to our branch plant economy, our dependence on resource extraction, corporate welfare or some nebulous Canadian culture of complacency, but our private sector is notoriously poor at innovation and productivity growth and the the problem has arguably gotten worse as a larger and larger part of our GDP goes toward either resource extraction or finance / insurance / real-estate.
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EvilJoven posted:Too bad most of the public is unaware of or ignoring the fact that private sector productivity is at an all time high and is almost completely detached from the well-being of the average citizen at this point. Helsing posted:Canada's private sector's rate of productivity growth is actually worse than it was a few decades ago Two very different things.
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Productivity is high becuase they're making one person do 3 people's jobs and keeping them working by giving them a company phone and laptop to do it from home after they leave work. I miss the good old days when you did your duty and showed up on time and went home on time while having a designated lunch break where you were free to do what you want. If you had to work overtime you got paid 1.5x or 2.0x depending on when it was and if you weren't they'd give it back to you as time in lieu. These days employers look at my lunch breaks like they're a luxury and a polite suggestion rather than an ironclad rule. While going home on time is seen as lazy, clock watching and puts you on the shortlist for the next wave of layoffs. It's stupid. I'm not donating my time for free. 8 hours is enough time of the day doing work I don't wanna give them a minute more without appropriate compensation.
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organize a union
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Helsing posted:Canada's private sector's rate of productivity growth is actually worse than it was a few decades ago, and the gap in productivity between us and most of the rest of the OECD had grown rather than shrunk. Yes everything I've read over the last few years has stated that Canadian productivity is abysmal. Basically nothing that various Canadian governments have done to try to move the needle and improve productivity has worked at all.
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jsoh posted:organize a union
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 12:28 |
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quote:Good Monday morning to you.
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Asset recycling? gently caress off with that garbage euphemism. How long until Wynne starts using it, or did that already happen? Here, enjoy the Tyee's take on Justin Trudeau, quantum politician.
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Unrelated quote:John Robson: The welfare state is bust — and so are Americans Wistful of Dollars fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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eNeMeE posted:Two very different things. They are both important if you want to evaluate Canada's economic prospects. Productivity and innovation are important measures of an economy's health. For instance, in Canada we've seen a decline in "process innovation" (changing the production process to be more efficient) in recent years and an increase in organizational innovation (making supply chains more efficient, squeezing more work out of fewer workers, switching to "lean production", etc.). Just those numbers already tell a story about how Canadian businesses are spending less time improving their production speeds and more time figuring out how to extract more profit from the employees they already have without investing more capital. Femtosecond posted:Yes everything I've read over the last few years has stated that Canadian productivity is abysmal. Basically nothing that various Canadian governments have done to try to move the needle and improve productivity has worked at all. Just look at how our media and political establishment is coalescing around the idea of solving Alberta's economic problems by building a pipeline. It's like putting a big flashing sign over one of our lest productive and innovative sectors that says to private investors: "please sink all your investment capital into this activity!" Talk about a great industrial strategy, encouraging our business people to invest in one of the last productive sectors of the economy. And the more successful they are, the harder it is for the actually innovative parts of our economy to be competitive exporters: StatsCan posted:Regional perspective on innovation in Canada The great thing about being Canadian, though, is that our lovely economy is over determined. Our sectoral composition helps explain sluggish innovation but, even by those standards, our companies suck. Compared to other economies even those sectors lag in terms of innovation: The Conference Board of Canada posted:Key Messages It's worth emphasizing that other small economies, notably Finland (described above), have been able to increase their rate of innovation. Personally I find all of this a bit dull. It's kind of pathetic that outright leftists are left critiquing the idiocy of our economic strategy while the actual capitalists continue to gently caress things up royally. I'd really like to see an economic policy focused on redistribution but that's hardly an option when our leadership are basically leading this country away from manufacturing and toward greater resource dependency. It's like they're intentionally pushing us back down the ladder to being a high income country. Sadly, pro-business parties cannot fix the Canadian economy because Canadian businessmen and women are part of the problem. They keep clamoring for more tax cuts and handouts when what they really need is a coherent industrial strategy that focuses in decreasing our dependency on resource extraction. Our economic situation is a bit like if we let a five year old child determine their own meal plan, and then we're surprised that the kid only wants to eat ice cream. Our businesses need some adult supervision because a couple more decades of letting them be the sole voice in economic policy and we're literally going to pull an Argentina and drop out of the high-income country club. Never mind climate change. Here's the real reason not to build any more pipelines. It's like sticking a heroin IV drip into a Junkie's arm. Of course, naturally, our business press is quick to flip this narrative and make it all about those darn poors: Welcome to the National Post, where its always the 1970s and the real problem with society is that the poor are simply too comfortable and secure.
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quote:decent, dignified manual labour
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Can confirm that Brian Pallister is a lumbering giant of a man. He is sort of like Lurch. Yeah gently caress the government for decreasing number of private-sector jobs and low private-sector wages. I can't understand why people would rather complain that someone else has a high salary rather than complaining about their low salary.
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quote:He’s an established writer with a middle-class income and, in some respects, lifestyle, including sending one daughter to Stanford, then Harvard Medical School, and another to Emory, then University of Texas Austin for an MA in social work.
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Few people who have ever actually worked manual labor would call it decent or dignified. Human history and technology is the story of how we figured out better and better ways of making it so that we had to do less manual labor. I like that he harps on the 47% thing, and even has a vague awareness that there's something seriously wrong with where all the money is going in our society ... then just blithely strolls on past it and never thinks about that 90% of the wealth are concentrated in the hands of a tiny slice of the population. Maybe the government, that's why no one has money! And then, even that aside, him suggesting that we dismantle the welfare state so that people will save money ..... that they'll have to spend when they get into trouble. So basically the same as we have right now (the government is doing the saving), which has a much lower failure rate than if individuals were saving it for themselves. So, okay, dismantle the welfare state, get people to save for themselves. Oops, we just enormously multiplied the number of people who fall through the cracks. But it's okay! People are saving money now! Oops, all the people saving money instead of spending it has caused a massive economic contraction. What a terrible article with terrible, poorly thought out opinions. (Unless, of course, and this is more likely, he's shilling for the rich because shutting down welfare means lower taxes means more money for the rich.)
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eXXon posted:Asset recycling? gently caress off with that garbage euphemism. How long until Wynne starts using it, or did that already happen? Wynne used it first.
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Dreylad posted:In Saskatchewan, the defeated New Democrats have named an interim leader after former Premier Greg Selinger stepped down in the wake of last week’s election loss. Trent Wotherspoon was given the title during a meeting of the NDP’s provincial council in Saskatoon on Saturday, but says he has no desire to hold the position permanently.
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Your avatar is loving me up this morning.
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vyelkin posted:Wynne used it first. It's not a new term. Australia had a big initiative around this in 2013 and companies like Deloitte and Ernst & Young are pushing it as an option.
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Brannock posted:Few people who have ever actually worked manual labor would call it decent or dignified. Human history and technology is the story of how we figured out better and better ways of making it so that we had to do less manual labor. My favourite part of the article is how early on he fully ackowledges that wages have declined an all but agrees that the American dream is dead: quote:Declining real wages for less skilled work is in significant measure the result of the same technical progress that has lowered the price of many goods. And technical progress cannot be stopped. But the clever people in the top quintile could be a bit less smug about driverless cars and smart appliances, and a little more sympathetic to those being squeezed out of decent, dignified manual labour as it continues. We should take away subsidies for education, social security, healthcare, etc. , but we should be sure that we're very sympathetic as we do it.
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National Post posted:Second, real hourly wages have been stagnant since Richard Nixon’s first term and median net worth has been falling for a generation, and sharply since 2008... So which one is it?
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So with more and more jobs being rendered redundant because of automatization, what happens to those people who now can't get jobs because there just aren't enough open? Does there just become a class of "expendable" people? When we hit the point where machines are doing most of our non-thinking work for us, will the expectation be that people have to work and can't, or will it be they don't have to work, and why?
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TheKingofSprings posted:So with more and more jobs being rendered redundant because of automatization, what happens to those people who now can't get jobs because there just aren't enough open? All the money they used to make gets funneled into the hands of the small group of people that own the companies that manufacture and operate the machines, and then all the people who used to have jobs get told that they're lazy and it's their own fault that they're starving to death. This is a good and proper thing and the only just way to organize a socioeconomic system. There Is No Alternative.
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Helsing posted:My favourite part of the article is how early on he fully ackowledges that wages have declined an all but agrees that the American dream is dead: Sympathetic isn't good enough, you need to be loud and progressive. "We're proud to announce that we're adding FREE* prescription drugs to our provincial health plan! In the most progressive move since Canada started socialized health care, the OLP will be providing FREE pharmacare to all families making less than 30k a year! We don't have the money to pay for it though so those rich families making more than $60k will be required to pay a little for their health care needs to help fund this super left wing progressive initiative but .. oh wow look even NDP candidates are joining us because of this we're soooo progressive hi Rathika." * Up to $30 a month based on average prescription drug use
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TheKingofSprings posted:So with more and more jobs being rendered redundant because of automatization, what happens to those people who now can't get jobs because there just aren't enough open? quote:We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.
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TheKingofSprings posted:So with more and more jobs being rendered redundant because of automatization, what happens to those people who now can't get jobs because there just aren't enough open?
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Look at every society in the history of forever for what happens when the majority are starving while a minority are living a life of luxury. History has shown that every time it gets like this the ruling class thinks that this time the walls are high enough. And every time they're wrong. The thing is, we aren't starving, yet.
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cowofwar posted:Watch the movie, "Elysium". If you take out the elaborate space colony and magical medical pods that movie is a pretty accurate description of what the future will probably look like for most people, while the wealthiest retreat to guarded enclaves of some kind e: but first https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkTAlajIAF4 Tighclops fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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We are all crabs in a bucket
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# ? Apr 25, 2016 19:42 |
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Don't worry guys all of lifes problems are easily solved by getting a degree in STEM!
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EvilJoven posted:Look at every society in the history of forever for what happens when the majority are starving while a minority are living a life of luxury. I don't want to disagree too hard here because I share your sentiment but I would argue that almost every society in the historical record had a pretty pronounced hierarchy, with a lot of people toiling miserably at the bottom and a coddled elite at the top. If anything, it is the relatively proserpous societies that experience revolutions. Typically it's when gradually rising living standards are suddenly disrupted by a crisis. I would say rapid changes in living standards (either up or down) are more likely to produce a revolutionary situation than static living standards (whether those standards are consistently high or consistently low). I mention this because I think it provides a clue for understanding the trajectory of post-War welfare state politics. Society's most radical phase coincided with the most generous boom time economy in our history precisely because the affluence of the 1950s-1970s gave people the confidence and security to make greater demands on the system. The opening of the Port Huron statement is an interesting example of this. Part of the move to cut back government spending from the 1980s onward was, I believe, the realization that a generous welfare state only created the momentum toward more government spending, more government planning, more government regulation. That's part of why businesses were willing to forgo even intelligent government actions -- because they started to realize that the government itself was the problem. Better to have an economy growing below capacity, as long as business remained the only powerful interest group, than to have a rapidly growing economy in which unions, consumer groups, social movements, public officials, etc. had the confidence to actually challenge the entrenched power of capital.
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EvilJoven posted:Don't worry guys all of lifes problems are easily solved by getting a degree in STEM! Or, you know, start up a UBI.
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EvilJoven posted:Don't worry guys all of lifes problems are easily solved by getting a degree in STEM! How long until even this truism begins to fall apart? I have one of those darned "marketable" degrees, and still the only people in town that'll take me can't even keep a budget to pay me. It's like the education system had no idea what the heck to do with anyone, so they just promoted how great degrees were in order to make a profit. Even the whole retroactive "must be STEM, everything else is worthless," was just them covering their asses.
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EvilJoven posted:Don't worry guys all of lifes problems are easily solved by getting a degree in STEM! I endorse STEM for those people that stop math and sciences at the earliest opportunity because STEM pays the bills
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EvilJoven posted:Look at every society in the history of forever for what happens when the majority are starving while a minority are living a life of luxury. Hmm, if I were part of the ruling class, I would definitely find it favorable to push for weapon controls and disarmament among the peasants. Maybe I could even frame it as a good idea and beneficial for the peasants. Helsing posted:If anything, it is the relatively proserpous societies that experience revolutions. Typically it's when gradually rising living standards are suddenly disrupted by a crisis. I would say rapid changes in living standards (either up or down) are more likely to produce a revolutionary situation than static living standards (whether those standards are consistently high or consistently low). The French Revolution was itself triggered by a serious food crisis, even if general population had been becoming more and more aware of the injustices I don't think anyone should be cheering for a revolution, though. Even aside from the immediate bloodshed and chaos, taking a look at the past couple decades, revolutions typically haven't turned out well and usually just enable theocracies or kleptocracies. While I'm glad that the Catholics under Francis are paying more and more attention to wealth inequality I'm wary of a situation where they''ll be able to rally up a populist wave and gain power off it. And, no, that the West is highly secular right now doesn't reassure me -- Iran was highly secular before '79. Unfortunately I don't see a way to slowly re-seize power and wealth from the corporations and the ruling classes. On paper it's possible over a couple decades along with widespread knowledge and engagement (via Internet) , in practice they'll just make gains as fast (if not faster) as we do. By the time we get the millennials enough experience and contacts to make it into serious power and policy positions, their counterparts will be working just as hard coming up with new methods for keeping things favorable for the wealthy. And of course as Rathika has shown us, the allure of power has a habit of overshadowing other principles.
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Ya don't for a second think that I'm looking forward to when our society finally reaches a tipping point that leads to violence it's going to really loving suck when that happens and the new boss will pretty much immediately resemble the old boss.
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Brannock posted:Hmm, if I were part of the ruling class, I would definitely find it favorable to push for weapon controls and disarmament among the peasants. Maybe I could even frame it as a good idea and beneficial for the peasants. Poor harvests contributed to the timing and course of the French revolution but the French peasantry was pretty well off compared to the rest of Europe. In England much of the peasantry had already been driven into the cities by the enclosure movement and in large parts of the east serfdom would continue for close to another century. Typically a revolution will start as a rebellion. There will be some kind of local revolt or cause behind a revolutionary upheaval, such as grain shortages and price increases in France due to poor harvests (and market liberalization). However a revolution that actually threatens the power structure has deeper causes than just a shortage. In the French case the background of the Enlightenment and other changes inside French society (as well as the foreign policies of the French Crown) during the 18th century meant that the bad harvests of 1788-89 triggered a revolutionary upheaval with world-historical significance rather than being one more in a long line of mostly inconsequential peasant revolts throughout European history. This is all a slightly convoluted way of saying that what we can probably look forward to isn't a revolution. It's probably just some local rebellions that invite harsher state repression in response, possibly followed by a genuine collapse at some point in the future. Besides which, part of a crackdown might possibly involve throwing more breadcrumbs at the populace as well, so hope springs eternal I suppose. quote:I don't think anyone should be cheering for a revolution, though. Even aside from the immediate bloodshed and chaos, taking a look at the past couple decades, revolutions typically haven't turned out well and usually just enable theocracies or kleptocracies. While I'm glad that the Catholics under Francis are paying more and more attention to wealth inequality I'm wary of a situation where they''ll be able to rally up a populist wave and gain power off it. And, no, that the West is highly secular right now doesn't reassure me -- Iran was highly secular before '79. We should try to take a small measure of comfort in the unpredictability of the future. No matter how deterministic our present moment looks, we know that past generations with equally strong convictions about the direction of history were totally unable to foresee the future. If the utopias imagined in the mid 20th century never occurred then perhaps, at least, the very worst nightmares of the early 21st century will also turn out to be misguided. That having been said, I admit the future potentially looks very grim. The most we can do is focus on the present and try to at least develop some kind of political coping strategies for whatever kind of world we do end up living in.
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Helsing posted:Poor harvests contributed to the timing and course of the French revolution but the French peasantry was pretty well off compared to the rest of Europe. In England much of the peasantry had already been driven into the cities by the enclosure movement and in large parts of the east serfdom would continue for close to another century. Similar to how the civil war in Syria required a number of factors not limited to drought/poverty/famine.
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cowofwar posted:Similar to how the civil war in Syria required a number of factors not limited to drought/poverty/famine. Climate change, specifically, which is no doubt going to lead to more civil unrest as time goes on. Not only that but these events tend to cascade. Bangladesh is a country that will likely be underwater by the turn of the century. The forced migration from that risks putting even more pressure on surrounding countries, especially those already embroiled in conflicts - India and Pakistan will be at each other's throats over the diminishing water from the Indus river valley. Even if it's localized revolts as Helsing described, democratic institutions always seem to be the most vulnerable and the first to be undone and I don't think that's ever worth celebrating. And there is nothing inevitable about our history. Our country that seems so stable nearly fell apart twice in the last century over the course of two world wars. The United States buckled and nearly tore itself apart during the Great Depression. We don't think of Canada and the US being fragile things in the last 110 years, but they were, and yet the survived despite almost nuking ourselves into extinction. Helsing posted:We should try to take a small measure of comfort in the unpredictability of the future. No matter how deterministic our present moment looks, we know that past generations with equally strong convictions about the direction of history were totally unable to foresee the future. If the utopias imagined in the mid 20th century never occurred then perhaps, at least, the very worst nightmares of the early 21st century will also turn out to be misguided. That having been said, I admit the future potentially looks very grim. ...or basically this. Out of the horror of two major world wars people expected their countries to build a better world, and they tried. Who knows what we might accomplish under the pressure of climate change. But the cost may be very high.
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Can the Globe just loving fire Margaret Wente already? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/community/inside-the-globe/public-editor-prose-must-be-attributed/article29749706/ (don't worry it's not a link to her column so you can click on it)
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HappyHippo posted:Can the Globe just loving fire Margaret Wente already? http://www.theglobeandmail.com/community/inside-the-globe/public-editor-prose-must-be-attributed/article29749706/ Thank you this actually made my day.
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