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Speaking of mis-evaluated Planeswalkers, I remember when the Oath leak happened and everyone was like "WTF is that poo poo" on both Nissa and Chandra, and Chandra is a $25 dollar card and Nissa was a maindeck 4-of in the PT winning deck.
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I was pretty high on Chandra, especially after Chapin released his podcast where he was really high on it and went into depth on how she plays out, which as it turns out was completely correct.
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wildfire1 posted:You can't 'redirect the damage', KC is already targeting the Spellskite so an activation shouldn't have done anything. This is only true if it makes the targeting illegal, e.g. Electrolyze targetting Spellskite and a Noble Hierarch (Electrolyze cannot target Spellskite for 1 damage and Spellskite for 1 damage). Kolaghan's Command can legally target Spellskite with two separate modes because it has the word target twice and doesn't specify they have to be different.
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Apr 25, 2016 20:09
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If a spell has multiple targets, Spellskite can change each individual use of the word 'target' to itself, even if it's already being targeted by other uses of the word 'target' on the spell.
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Apr 25, 2016 20:11
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odiv posted:This Enter the Battlefield premier seems like really bad timing. 3 pm Est when everyone is at work seems like the perfect time to premier to me
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before anyone says anything, i'm at work just on a break!!!
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A bunch of people starting spamming #paythepros And the chat immediately goes into r9k mode. loving hilarious.
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mandatory lesbian posted:before anyone says anything, i'm at work just on a break!!! I have a lot of work to do today but I am injured so instead I get to sit around and drink free soda and be stoned on painkillers and post 
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Apr 25, 2016 20:15
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Angry Grimace posted:This is only true if it makes the targeting illegal, e.g. Electrolyze targetting Spellskite and a Noble Hierarch (Electrolyze cannot target Spellskite for 1 damage and Spellskite for 1 damage). Huh. TIL
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Angry Grimace posted:Speaking of mis-evaluated Planeswalkers, I remember when the Oath leak happened and everyone was like "WTF is that poo poo" on both Nissa and Chandra, and Chandra is a $25 dollar card and Nissa was a maindeck 4-of in the PT winning deck. Chandra is super powerful but she's also a little overrated and overplayed I feel like. She's not Elspeth.
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rabidsquid posted:I have a lot of work to do today but I am injured so instead I get to sit around and drink free soda and be stoned on painkillers and post i am at work while injured b/c i did not end up with anything broken or a head injury i am not looking forward to around 3-4pm when, judging by this weekend, my legs decide that they are largely done with working for the day
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mandatory lesbian posted:3 pm Est when everyone is at work seems like the perfect time to premier to me
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Angry Grimace posted:Speaking of mis-evaluated Planeswalkers, I remember when the Oath leak happened and everyone was like "WTF is that poo poo" on both Nissa and Chandra, and Chandra is a $25 dollar card and Nissa was a maindeck 4-of in the PT winning deck. I was pretty high on both 
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The problem is that the pro players are overvaluing their own worth to both WOTC and the community. I just don't really care if Owen Turtenwald can't afford to fly to every single tournament and its clear WOTC doesn't either because there's no real return from WOTC's perspective in having Turtenwald as a signature player to begin with. He adds nothing that Random Good Player X wouldn't add; there never really has been any incentive for WOTC to prioritize paying off the top players vs. trying to increase volume of play. Then again, I'm not terribly surprised that people who attempt to play Magic: the Gathering as a profession (honestly a laughably insane-person goal to begin with) have dramatically overestimated how much the company that was already paying them peanuts values them. You dun goofed. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Apr 25, 2016 |
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Sickening posted:Hearthstone has a competitive system that doesn't cost a dime and WOTC is trying to run MTGO like the paper side of things. MTGO continues the grand tradition of paper magic by marrying itself to bad decisions made early that become too baked-in to change.
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If you can be a LOL pro player or any other of the many dumb games those "Cyber Athletes" play and make a good living, why shouldn't you be able to do that same thing for Magic?
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the fact that "pro" players don't have to pay for tournament entry boggles my mind. I mean why the poo poo not charge money for entry into a Pro Tour event and throw it in a prize pool like a normal goddamn tournament? Is there a big problem with the idea that if these "Pro" players entered a 2500 person field that we'd get a whole lot of "unknown" names every time they happen because the distance between a pro player and a normal player who just can't afford a pro player lifestyle of traveling everywhere all the time isn't that vast?
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mcmagic posted:If you can be a LOL pro player or any other of the many dumb games those "Cyber Athletes" play and make a good living, why shouldn't you be able to do that same thing for Magic? Because Magic is less like e-sports and more like poker. There's very little actual value to the individual players, they just think there is because they're deluded. There's no real payoff to investing in making sure Joel Larsson shows up.
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Telex posted:the fact that "pro" players don't have to pay for tournament entry boggles my mind. 2500 cut to top 8 is not a sustainable tournament size/structure. mcmagic posted:If you can be a LOL pro player or any other of the many dumb games those "Cyber Athletes" play and make a good living, why shouldn't you be able to do that same thing for Magic? While I don't agree with regards to the former half calling "esports" games dumb, I agree that it makes sense that magic should support pros if it wants to be taken seriously as a game. Also people should fly Owen Turtenwald everywhere because Owen Turtenwald owns.
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Angry Grimace posted:The problem is that the pro players are overvaluing their own worth to both WOTC and the community. I just don't really care if Owen Turtenwald can't afford to fly to every single tournament and its clear WOTC doesn't either because there's no real return from WOTC's perspective in having Turtenwald as a signature player to begin with. He adds nothing that Random Good Player X wouldn't add; there never really has been any incentive for WOTC to prioritize paying off the top players vs. trying to increase volume of play. Basically this. There is no reason for WotC to any people thousands of dollars to come play thier game to possibly win thousands of dollars. Realistically if you want to be a pro go and take your chance to win. mcmagic posted:If you can be a LOL pro player or any other of the many dumb games those "Cyber Athletes" play and make a good living, why shouldn't you be able to do that same thing for Magic? You can if you win. It's not WotCs job to pay you to play their game.
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Apr 25, 2016 20:46
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Angry Grimace posted:Because Magic is less like e-sports and more like poker. There's very little actual value to the individual players, they just think there is because they're deluded. There's no real payoff to investing in making sure Joel Larsson shows up. I don't see the difference in the e-sports comparison... Though I know next to nothing about e-sports.
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Angry Grimace posted:The problem is that the pro players are overvaluing their own worth to both WOTC and the community. I just don't really care if Owen Turtenwald can't afford to fly to every single tournament and its clear WOTC doesn't either because there's no real return from WOTC's perspective in having Turtenwald as a signature player to begin with. They would if they followed the WWE method and made up cool, elaborate backstories for each of them. Pro tours still don't have entrance songs or fireworks for even the top 8. I think even something like the Motel California https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HztAWVUO1Zo stuff would've been great to solidify identities for these guys.
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Chill la Chill posted:They would if they followed the WWE method and made up cool, elaborate backstories for each of them. Pro tours still don't have entrance songs or fireworks for even the top 8. I think even something like the Motel California https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HztAWVUO1Zo stuff would've been great to solidify identities for these guys. I've always maintained that PT coverage needs a heel announcer. mcmagic posted:I don't see the difference in the e-sports comparison... Though I know next to nothing about e-sports. Then why are you posting that it should be like e-sports?
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Chill la Chill posted:They would if they followed the WWE method and made up cool, elaborate backstories for each of them. Pro tours still don't have entrance songs or fireworks for even the top 8. I think even something like the Motel California https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HztAWVUO1Zo stuff would've been great to solidify identities for these guys. Now I want to know what LSV's gimmick would be. Probably something involving puns.
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Angry Grimace posted:I've always maintained that PT coverage needs a heel announcer. Alex Bertoncini comes in with a folding chair and does his patented "three explores" move when 2 explores isn't enough. Rich Hagon gushes with enthusiasm and I squeal with joy.  Entropic posted:Now I want to know what LSV's gimmick would be. Probably something involving puns.
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Angry Grimace posted:
Because I know enough to know that people make alot of money playing those games and none of them are close to as good as Magic...
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Chill la Chill posted:They would if they followed the WWE method and made up cool, elaborate backstories for each of them. Pro tours still don't have entrance songs or fireworks for even the top 8. I think even something like the Motel California https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HztAWVUO1Zo stuff would've been great to solidify identities for these guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTRuFwD1z98
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rabidsquid posted:You people that hate the idea of magic pros crack me up I like the idea of amgic pros, I just disagree that Wizards should be the one paying them.
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Man I sure hate that bant company is the only deck in this format if only some people took time to figure out another deck maybe because they could afford to take that time. Now let's make sure they aren't allowed to do this.
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mcmagic posted:Because I know enough to know that people make alot of money playing those games and none of them are close to as good as Magic... Though I'm not saying this justifies the cuts 3/4 of the way through the season or whatever. I'm not a lawyer, accountant, marketer, or ethicist.
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Watching the documentary, it seems that Reid Duke both looks and sounds like a Christian Bale impersonator.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I like the idea of amgic pros, I just disagree that Wizards should be the one paying them. Why? They can afford to and it's a great way to raise visibility, advertise the game, and hold player interest. WotC making it impossible for players to gain any visibility otherwise or attract sponsors severely limits the possibility. You know Riot barely pays their pro league of legends players much salary, but they do get paid by the organizations who own their teams, as well as having individual sponsorship's. Under the current direction wotc is taking this, these things are actual impossible in mtg. odiv posted:League of Legends is super popular though. The Pro Tour often gets fewer viewers on Twitch than some kid playing CSGO. MTG used to be one of the top ten game viewerships on Twitch, but that got crushed by the unwanted software change and as someone said earlier the emergence of Hearthstone. League of Legends is also free to play and their league championship series loses Riot a lot of money.
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Zoness posted:Man I sure hate that bant company is the only deck in this format if only some people took time to figure out another deck maybe because they could afford to take that time. I will take the rare opportunity to give one of your posts my unqualified agreement. Well put.
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mcmagic posted:Because I know enough to know that people make alot of money playing those games and none of them are close to as good as Magic... That is subjective. LOL is simply a more popular game and with that will draw more money and attention.
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Zoness posted:2500 cut to top 8 is not a sustainable tournament size/structure. If they can do GP's, why can't they do PT's with the same size? Just give the babby pros byes through some convoluted baby system where they don't have to play as much.
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Telex posted:If they can do GP's, why can't they do PT's with the same size? Just give the babby pros byes through some convoluted baby system where they don't have to play as much. The pro tour is smaller and the average player is a lot better than a GP. Leads to more interesting games starting from the first round.
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rabidsquid posted:MTG used to be one of the top ten game viewerships on Twitch, but that got crushed by the unwanted software change and as someone said earlier the emergence of Hearthstone. League of Legends is also free to play and their league championship series loses Riot a lot of money. I can't believe I'm saying this, but free to play seems like it has some valuable lessons for MTGO.
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rabidsquid posted:Why? They can afford to and it's a great way to raise visibility, advertise the game, and hold player interest. WotC making it impossible for players to gain any visibility otherwise or attract sponsors severely limits the possibility. You answered your own question. CFB, SCG and the other team owners should be paying the pro players in their teams. They wear that brands shirts, they move that brands content. Why should wizards pay them?
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