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i never do it with jrpgs because holy gently caress you have to be insane to try and do that for almost all of them, tits included the steps for getting a perfect run of final fantasy 7 are the most insane and tedious things ever devised
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i do agree that the books in trails are a little iffy tho, but that's less because 'oh no i missed out on 10 attack' and more because they're cool world building that it sucks to miss out on and even then you can just look them up online
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Apr 25, 2016 22:27
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Yeah missing out on the world building is the bigger deal, like carnelia introduces two decently important characters. That said I don't know if they do this for every in game series, but carnelia can be read in full in SC in the Erebonian embassy iirc
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Apr 25, 2016 22:31
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I'm Towa's number one max rank best helper and I'm proud of it. Never really bother with books or other stuff though
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Apr 25, 2016 22:32
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I very rarely bother with 100%ing games. Something I've done once or twice for games I really really enjoyed, like P4G and FC, but even then I just try to go for all the achievements or sidequests or something rather than a proper 100%. I enjoyed playing FC again and doing all the quests, but I'm not gonna be arsed to speak to every NPC every time to see all the changes.
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Apr 25, 2016 22:45
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I just platinumed Cold Steel the other day. Only took me 212 hours 
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Apr 25, 2016 23:08
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The Colonel posted:i never do it with jrpgs because holy gently caress you have to be insane to try and do that for almost all of them, tits included The steps for getting a 100% FF9 game including the Excalibur II must be just as bad. If it's even possible? It probably isn't, actually.
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I just finished the second sewer dungeon in Chapter 4. Are there anymore coming up, because these things are a pain.
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Apr 26, 2016 00:23
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Paperhouse posted:The steps for getting a 100% FF9 game including the Excalibur II must be just as bad. If it's even possible? It probably isn't, actually. it is
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Apr 26, 2016 00:24
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Endorph posted:100%ing video games is lame But I 100% video games. I guess I am lame now.
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Apr 26, 2016 00:26
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Slur posted:But I 100% video games. I guess I am lame now. *awkwardly tugs collar*
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Apr 26, 2016 00:29
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I think I've only ever 100%'d platformers.
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Apr 26, 2016 00:30
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bunch of low achieving gamers itt
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100%ing games is insanely good and everyone should feel free to do it. Or not, whatever gets your boat rowing.
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Apr 26, 2016 00:36
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Motto posted:I think I've only ever 100%'d platformers. Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland didn't track percentages, but I think that's my 100% game if I have one e: Or the first Golden Sun
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Apr 26, 2016 00:42
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Erg posted:I just finished the second sewer dungeon in Chapter 4. Are there anymore coming up, because these things are a pain. I don't remember any more sewer dungeons after Chapter 4, but mechanically they're not much different from any of the others imo.
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Apr 26, 2016 00:54
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Chapter 6 has a tunnel dungeon.
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Really Pants posted:I don't remember any more sewer dungeons after Chapter 4, but mechanically they're not much different from any of the others imo. I think it's just that I've been fighting every monster so far, so when I got to the third screen I realized I had to stop doing that or this was going to take forever
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I assume you're speaking about FC? There's a spot in the sewers you'll need to return to later, which reveals another part of the sewers. I'd nevertheless encourage you to explore it because there's some good stuff lying about and you won't be able to return there later. I 100%-ed FC and it's not that much of a pain actually. The biggest headache is getting the achievements for all the chests, armors and weapons, but you have a crazy lot of saveslots so if you make a lot of savegames you can load the correct one later to check it off the list if you missed it before.
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Erpy posted:I assume you're speaking about FC? There's a spot in the sewers you'll need to return to later, which reveals another part of the sewers. I'd nevertheless encourage you to explore it because there's some good stuff lying about and you won't be able to return there later. Erg's previous post mentions Eliot.
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Apr 26, 2016 06:21
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Ugh, right. Anyway, the second sewer tunnel should be the last one, though there's additional AP to be gained by revisiting one of them at some point.
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So yeah, I thought Trails chapter 2 was worse than Chapter 1. 1 felt like there were more zones, and things do roam around and explore. The main thing though and the things that is really keeping me from continuing is the awful, creepy subplot of romance between the main characters. I cannot sit through another dialogue where this happens NPC: Boy your companion is quite attractive aren't they! PC1: Well, I never thought of them like that, we were raised as brother and sister, so I think of them like my sibling. NPC: Better hit that before someone else, like myself, does. I really don't want to go on some anti-Japan wtf is wrong with you rant, but come loving on. I get they aren't related by blood but that doesn't make it ok. In the prologue it was ok because I figured alright, it's just defining that these characters aren't going to be romanically engaged but are instead effectively brother and sister on a quest to save their dad. Since then it's been repeatedly brought up and suggested that the two of them have to hook up because "hey you're not really brother/sister, right?" I'm sure there's some of you in this thread that are willing to give this a pass because "haha Japan you so crazy", or whatever your personal feelings are on what the definition of incest should be; I'm not going to debate it here with you. I find it weird and uncomfortable, and it is actively hindering my enjoyment of the characters and the story which is why I'm not continuing onto the next segment of the story. I was looking for something a little more adult in the overall story, the chapter started out looking good with the orphans being burned alive but it turned out they lived and it was part of a shadowy conspiracy to build vacation homes for rich people so yeah, screw this. I was totally ready to buy into a story that the annoying orphan was actually some bastard child that needed to be erased so that someone could have a claim to the throne with no loose ends. At the end of the day I wanted some Final Fantasy Tactics, or Suikoden level political intrugue with my jrpg experience and this ain't doing it. Anyway, this is going on my list of games that I get why people like it, but is ultimately not my cup of tea. If you're a fan of this game more power to you, I hope they make more so you can continue to enjoy what you like, party on.
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yeah that's fair, the end of the game and especially the sequel is entirely built on the romance there so if you find that distasteful then yeah, don't play more. as for the political intrigue however, the whole thing is building to something, the rear end in a top hat rich people are pretty much just being used to cover the actual antagonist's tracks and distract from their actions. and tbh i don't really see orphans being burnt alive as something that makes a story more adult.
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PaybackJack posted:Anyway, this is going on my list of games that I get why people like it, but is ultimately not my cup of tea. If you're a fan of this game more power to you, I hope they make more so you can continue to enjoy what you like, party on. There's seven games so far, with an eighth in development and at least two more planned for the future.
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I have no problem with the Joshua/Estelle romance. Maybe I'm just trying to rationalize it away because I like the games so much but I felt like it was pretty well established how they really thought of each other early on, and they weren't raised together from that young an age. Them doing a bit of a repeat of that in ToCS with Rean's little sister bothered me a lot more but at least it's pretty clear that's not going anywhere.
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Apr 28, 2016 23:18
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Does the Crossbell arc have a not-blood-sibling romance?
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Some Numbers posted:Does the Crossbell arc have a not-blood-sibling romance? I don't think so. At least Lloyd only has an older brother, who is dead from that start
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For Estelle and Josh, they only lived together for like 3-4 years, iirc? And going by his actions in Sky II, he never really thought of himself as an actual member of the family, because he has issues. I don't really have an issue with it.
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Endorph posted:For Estelle and Josh, they only lived together for like 3-4 years, iirc? And going by his actions in Sky II, he never really thought of himself as an actual member of the family, because he has issues. I don't really have an issue with it. Five years.
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Endorph posted:For Estelle and Josh, they only lived together for like 3-4 years, iirc? And going by his actions in Sky II, he never really thought of himself as an actual member of the family, because he has issues. I don't really have an issue with it. Yeah, I don't think Joshua ever really felt like they were brother and sister at all, and they aren't. Estelle initially seems to think of him as a brother, but then she doesn't, that also isn't particularly weird to me really. They're kids with crazy hormones and a strange living arrangement!
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Joshua admits he basically crushed on her from the moment he met her so it's most Estelle. It's still weird though. It's nowhere as bad as Rean's sister in SC though who I just rolled my eyes at constantly even with her own mini-Olivier there for the ride.
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I feel the need to point out that even in the Prologue, this: quote:PC1: Well, I never thought of them like that, we were raised as brother and sister, so I think of them like my sibling. is very most definitely shown to be not quite the case. See the Perzel Farm for examples.
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Still playing CS, Sara doing a mean impression of Crow legit made me bust out laughing I love the voice acting so much
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Erg posted:Still playing CS, Sara doing a mean impression of Crow legit made me bust out laughing
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Erg posted:Still playing CS, Sara doing a mean impression of Crow legit made me bust out laughing Sara is my favorite non-Estelle Trails character. I hope she's heavily featured in CS2.
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Like other people said, Estelle and Joshua weren't brought up together. Both are 16 and they didn't meet until they were 11, which wouldn't even make them childhood friends. More like middle school friends. Joshua never saw Estelle as a sister either, due to his past. Both met at a point way beyond the age where the Westermarck effect would have kicked in for them. I'll admit that the trope CAN be kind of squicky; Cold Steel actually has two people who WERE raised together ever since toddlerhood and one of them has an adopted sibling-crush and quite a few people did find that one (though it's a one-sided crush) a tad creepy. But since Joshua and Estelle became adopted siblings as such a relatively late age, not until their early teens, the creepiness factor was pretty much nullified for me and presumably for most folks. They're less adopted siblings and more teens with special living arrangements. So yeah, the adopted sibling-romance trope CAN be creepy, but it was pulled off believably here and the fact they didn't grow up together made the romance more believable than if they had been childhood friends since the age of 3. Erpy fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Apr 29, 2016 |
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i think the reason their relationship at the start of the game is established the way it is at all is just because they needed some way to give them both strong connections to each other, and they decided it was the most natural way to handle it
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The odd thing for me is that, I'm usually ok with these kinds of ...relationships. So I'm not really sure why I'm so weirded out by this one. I think it's due to the nature of it (this is a game, and usually I only encounter the "relationship" in visual novels or anime), and...something which I can't quite put my finger on. For Cold Steel (dunno about Cold Steel 2), I don't really have any problem with Elise so far, maybe it's because it's a bit more typical? I am quite sure it's also because Elise doesn't nearly have as much screen time in Cold Steel....though I dunno about CS2.
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XSeed has at least two other games where the brother-sister relationship trope is used. Corpse Party has a blood-related variation, completely unironically, though it IS one-sided. (though still a bit creepy...in a game where most of the creepiness is more traditional) Lunar 1 uses the adopted sibling variation and plays it completely straight too, Alex and Luna (the protagonists) have been together (and in love, according to the game) since they were infants and nobody in the game is weirded out by it...though it's slightly remedied by the fact that Alex and Luna are never referred to as adopted siblings, despite the fact that that's exactly what they are. Compared to these two cases, Estelle's and Joshua's relationship is a lot more believable and developed.
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I didn't super want to weigh in on this but Estelle/Joshua really was fine, they did a pretty good job of both organically building it up and showing even early on that they gel with each other in a charming way that isn't really familial. More importantly they are individually good characters that you get attached to and it's hard to not want them to, you know, be happy and all that jazz.
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