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Well, worth noting that Caliborn's immortality isn't just a result of his clock being broken. He removed the pendulum, snapped it in two, and consumed the clockwork majyyks within. Then he broke the clock. It's probably a combination of all three things that made him truly immortal.
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GunnerJ posted:I think the source of your confusion is the word "now." I mean, I know everything is technically over, but it's still a cool idea and the set up is all there: Jade has entered the new universe, and that cuts off her connection to the green sun so she's safe. But there's still one first guardian left behind, one with a literal plothole inside of himself that could potentially release everything that's been sealed away. Also, he's allergic to himself so every time he sneezes he ends up summoning something weird from the collapsed dream bubbles. Nothing will ever come of this though, I should just go watch FLCL for all my "person accidentally releasing monsters from their body" needs.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I mean, I know everything is technically over, but it's still a cool idea and the set up is all there: Everyone should just watch FLCL for all their needs.
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Android Blues posted:Well, worth noting that Caliborn's immortality isn't just a result of his clock being broken. He removed the pendulum, snapped it in two, and consumed the clockwork majyyks within. Then he broke the clock. It's probably a combination of all three things that made him truly immortal. People also ascribe way too much to her clock being bashed killing her because it was on Just and not that Vriska's death was Just because Terezi killed her and prevented her from getting everyone else murdered by Jack.
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Apr 26, 2016 01:46
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WAR FOOT posted:Everyone should just watch FLCL for all their needs. FLCL is real good and it has the benefit of having a more comprehensible plot than homestuck does
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Apr 26, 2016 01:48
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Freak Futanari posted:more comprehensible plot than homestuck what on earth does not have this while still being something people recommend to each other to read.
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Apr 26, 2016 01:50
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I mean, I know everything is technically over, That's not what I mean. Think about it this way: "before" the kids orchestrated the creation of the Green Sun, it didn't exist. This did not prevent them from interacting with beings empowered by the Green Sun "before" they created it.
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quote:People also ascribe way too much to her clock being bashed killing her because it was on Just and not that Vriska's death was Just because Terezi killed her and prevented her from getting everyone else murdered by Jack. To quote hussie himself, when he weighed in on the matter quote:we can conclude that either: We know from caliborn that (A) the clock does indeed have a direct bearing on immortality, and (B) destroying the clock does not remove immortality, but actually grants it. The cueball being a component in the clock (and also the gap in LE's invulnerability) further confirms that the god clock is a device which can grant permanent death to god tiers, rather than a device which grants contingent resurrection. Hussie conceals himself in a very scratchlike manner by saying "If the clock's power is to decide whether she resurrects". quote:There are enough factors in play where you have reason to think about it a bit, and such that it leaves plenty to discuss. You may consider the evidence and draw a conclusion. You may even feel very strongly about your conclusion! But for either the story, or me, to provide a categorically "right answer", immediately following the establishment of all the things that made it interesting to consider, shortchanges all that, I believe
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GunnerJ posted:That's not what I mean. Think about it this way: "before" the kids orchestrated the creation of the Green Sun, it didn't exist. This did not prevent them from interacting with beings empowered by the Green Sun "before" they created it. But that was before paradox space was destroyed. Now there's no causality, nothing to straighten out the timeline so things flow into each other naturally and can exist before they are created. The only thing that remains is a cat boy with a hole inside of him that contains an immortal demon and dreams of dead children. Also, I just now realized how Davepetasprite^2 made it out to the dream bubbles so fast: They used Gcatavrosprite as a portal to get there.
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It isn't actually clear to me that the entirety of Paradox Space was destroyed. Nor that sucking it all into a black hole at some subjective "point in time" results in it never having existed at any "point in time."
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Apr 26, 2016 02:10
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i can not loving believe i was out of town for the debut of Ammat the Ankhs tier chart
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GunnerJ posted:It isn't actually clear to me that the entirety of Paradox Space was destroyed. Nor that sucking it all into a black hole at some subjective "point in time" results in it never having existed at any "point in time." To be fair it wasn't actually clear to me either. I'm not really sure what the Hell happened.
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don't stop believin
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WAR FOOT posted:Lots of good films fail the Bechdel test, because it's a bad test. The Bechdel test isn't a measure of a specific movie's quality and never was. It's a tool to talk about the movie industry as a whole. (Which is why the rejection of the 'reverse bechdel test' is stupid. It's not a way to establish that men are oppressed too, it's a way to show the difference because you can't compare how often women talk to each other to how often men talk to each other without establishing both facts.)
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Think of the Bechdel test as being kind of like BMI. Sure, you will come across the occasional ("morbidly obese" pro athlete/movie that is not particularly enlightened when it comes to gender equality but nonetheless has two women characters talk about something other than men), but if across the entire set of (people in the population sample/movies), there is a clear pattern of (very high BMIs/very few movies with at least two women characters who have at least one conversation about something other than men), it might mean something. Not every (person/movie) is (Shaq/American Pie 2). eta: poo poo, completely missed a chance for a sweet "Vriska is fat" joke.
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paranoid randroid posted:i can not loving believe i was out of town for the debut of Ammat the Ankhs tier chart what a sad thing to miss
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Apr 26, 2016 02:28
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CuddlyZombie posted:i miss homestuck
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Apr 26, 2016 02:43
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Homestuck has been dead for some time. We've just been fooled by some fanartists propping it up, Weekend at Bernie's style.
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Paradox space itself wasn't destroyed. Paradox space is the entirety of creation within the Homestuck setting - absolutely everything. The Furthest Ring is one element of paradox space and even it presumably wasn't fully destroyed by the black hole, since LE's rainbow breath had created a perimeter of cracks around the black hole's point of origin. As to the effects of this on causality, there should still be causal loops necessary to fulfil the alpha timeline, along with the doomed beta timelines attendant on that. There'll just be far fewer - because Lord English's existence hinges around creating zillions of suffocating time loops which must be fulfilled in order to stay on the alpha timeline tracks, and with him gone, it's really probably only Sburb/Skaia and the occasional Time player doing that. LE didn't create Homestuck's weird, upsetting time travel rules, and they won't be gone now that he is - he merely exploited them to make things totally miserable for everyone and litter pitfalls for possible doomed timelines all over the place.
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speaking of Paradox Space, Camp Sgru8 did a more convincing job of portraying Davekat than anything in the comic proper.
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Way belatedlyquote:Aranea's plan didn't work, and the way I see it, the most plausible explanation is that Aranea, while formidable with Light, couldn't grasp the consequences of her actions due to a linear, materially-attached existence bound to conventional laws of matter and space. John, through futzing with the Juju, ends up becoming far more powerful than a player would under normal circumstances. I think the explanation is more that Aranea is a control junkie. She can't really heal, what she does instead is bend things to her control, just as she did with the ghosts, just as she does with Jake. In that respect she is not much different from the Condesce, with the distinction that the latter is rather a lot better at the job. Thus she loses. John and Terezia's plan is the concession of control, by returning to the board an unpredictable factor that had been previously removed.
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i think i'd settle for one last homestuck album over an epilogue
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AriadneThread posted:i think i'd settle for one last homestuck album over an epilogue https://unofficialmspafans.bandcamp.com/album/beforus Will this do? https://spellmynamewithabang.bandcamp.com/album/stuckhome-syndrome-part-one-v1-years-in-the-past Or this?
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I just finished reading/watching the bit where Jade's dog gets turned into a sprite, and I'm beginning to think that if Vriska weren't involved, all of the problems in this comic could have been avoided. The troll's session wouldn't have been messed up, our current kids wouldn't be in such deep trouble... But here she is, and I'm concerned for everyone's fates now that the final boss(?) of sburb is unbeatable. Not to mention the "he is already here" stuff.
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StrixNebulosa posted:I just finished reading/watching the bit where Jade's dog gets turned into a sprite, and I'm beginning to think that if Vriska weren't involved, all of the problems in this comic could have been avoided. Vriska's logic is that, since Bec Noir was already here, his arrival was predestined anyway and it might as well be her who's responsible for it. Predestination as an excuse for egomania.
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It depends on how much agency you think the characters have. It was inevitable that Bec Noir would come into existence, and any timeline where he didn't was Doomed. Vriska was either pulling the band-aid off quickly, or on a fixed set of rails where she couldn't not take the actions she did. She's more introspective about this later, after really lancing to the heart of the matter.
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The rails were self-created by being Vriska
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Apr 26, 2016 06:40
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Are you people still here? Go home! Show's over!
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Apr 26, 2016 07:45
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the real show has only just begun
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This is my home. 
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Apr 26, 2016 07:54
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guys it's an incomplete story that went off the rails about an incomplete story that went off the rails I love it
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SynthOrange posted:Are you people still here? Go home! Show's over! Homestuck is over, and you're telling us to go home? Whhhaaaaat?
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Apr 26, 2016 08:13
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Homestuck will never be over so long as we carry it with us inside our hearts.
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Apr 26, 2016 08:30
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Poison Mushroom posted:This is my home. The true meaning of homestuck
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I like plom bars long post because it implies that hussie hosed his own story up by being so doggedly obsessed with vriska that everything else fell to the wayside
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Apr 26, 2016 11:31
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Grapplejack posted:I like plom bars long post because it implies that hussie hosed his own story up by being so doggedly obsessed with vriska that everything else fell to the wayside This is basically canon.
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Grapplejack posted:I like plom bars long post because it implies that hussie hosed his own story up by being so doggedly obsessed with vriska that everything else fell to the wayside But thats exactly what happened?
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Grapplejack posted:I like plom bars long post because it implies that hussie hosed his own story up by being so doggedly obsessed with vriska that everything else fell to the wayside I'm pretty okay with that interpretation because I never liked "bringing Vriska backs fixes everything"
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I mean it's not even really an implication, we watch it unfold.
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