Solarin posted:

I just noticed there's some other CIG employees on the Sunny's Diner podcast that Sandi has that cringe inducing interview with. Anybody bother to listen to the other episodes? One from Ben here for example:

http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/old-republic-radio/sunnys-diner/e/sunnys-diner-episode-3k12-ben-lesnick-32690975

Probably less fun than Sandi's, but I may just be bored enough to skim it

Jason Sextro posted:

The guy who was asked a simple question about persistence, in the Persistent Universe, and was unable to answer it with any kind of coherence or succinctly is directing Squadron 42. It's no wonder the script is the size of the phone book, that must be cut down from the first draft.

Toops posted:

You also can't be in the year 2942, it's loving 2016. It's all make-believe, but still chris pulls a and goes "heh heh nooo guys, sorry no way you can't bank while doing an imaginary jump drive through hyperspace, that's ABSURD!"

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Beanie Babies failed because the perception of rarity was tied to a physical object. CIG is closer to a cult promising gaming salvation than a company actually selling a product. Derek has basically created another faith, this one centered around the perception of imminent failure and assured hilarity.

This thread sees stupid poo poo like Ben's archives of idiocy with the same enthusiasm that backers see a new gun or ship sale. People on both sides are so desperate for something to happen that they will latch on to anything. Now the difference is that here on SA we're mostly taking the piss out of things (and making hilarious videos and pics) while over there the remaining diehards are still apparently giving money. But I think both sides are guilty of seeing what they want and not what's there.

My feeling is that this will not end soon. There will be attrition that Derek sees as victories, and there will be releases that backers point to as validation. In the end, however, it will all come down to Squadron 42. And there Chris Roberts will fail in a way that will utterly humiliate him. Not only because the gameplay (that he doesn't care about) will be shallow and painfully generic, but because the narrative and directing will be mocked. How do I know this? Because what you see is what you get.

Around the same time SC started I was hyped up about SimCity. Many of you may recall how much of an embarrassing disaster that game was, with the developers outright lying about some things (like having to be online) and many of the core mechanics relying on a framework that was utterly inappropriate for most of the game. What's interesting is that everything was evident from before the game went live, but most of us would be deluded into thinking it was okay. I learned a valuable lesson from Maxis; expect what you see and nothing more.

So what have we seen?

This:

https://youtu.be/qexLUpQJPw8

And this:

https://youtu.be/8EC4WHPxnrk

And this:

https://youtu.be/f7yHpeDbKRw

That, until CIG provides something else, is what you should expect for Squadron 42. And frankly that looks like poo poo.

Risc1911 posted:

So the whole Quantum Drive presentation was hype and fidelity that is now not actually in the game?

Original Hype Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn5FBGfXACM


Reality: 18:03 - Q: Will the quantum drive be steerable?

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

the best part at some point after the laughing subsides, you remember that all these were prerecorded and he had ample opportunity to not only select the most favorable fawning questions, but to also write out a script so he could answer them coherently

and the laughing starts again

Wikkheiser posted:

Jobbo_Fett posted:

He has the hands of a magician. Someone make him do a magic trick!

Jobbo_Fett posted:

He has the hands of a magician. Someone make him do a magic trick!

ZenMaster posted:

My posting has slowed down cause I really can't think of anything that hasn't been said.

ZenMaster posted:

My posting has slowed down cause I really can't think of anything that hasn't been said.

trucutru posted:

Has anybody said buttcoin on this thread?

ZenMaster posted:

My posting has slowed down cause I really can't think of anything that hasn't been said.

Tokamak posted:

After the thread on insurance a couple days ago, Citizens are starting to worry about losing their ships.

Punishing PvP players
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/327821/punishing-pvp-players

The gist seems to be that combat and ship loss is something to be avoided at all costs. If you want actually want to fight stuff, you should play Arena Commander. If you lose a ship, you are going to have to wait for a new one and pay extra insurance premiums (if you can afford it). Bored of waiting, play Arena Commander or Star Marine in the Sim-pod.

Get killed by an NPC, your fault. Ship explodes because you accidentally mined a volatile space gas (this is apparently a thing), your fault. Clip an asteroid, your fault. You are not being punished for playing the game, you are suffering the consequences for your poor decision making. Hope you never make any mistakes on day one, otherwise there is going to be a lot of waiting for your Aurora to respawn.

Never mind the state of ships in the alpha. How they are very fragile and prone to exploding. Or the huge number of ships designed purely for combat. Or how development has focused on combat first, to the detriment of every other game system.

Unsurprisingly, there are a lot of B'Tak posts.

SomethingJones posted:

The last one there is a wall of text but guys trust me you need to read all of it

Jason Sextro posted:

CR has lost his drat mind, holy poo poo.
Stay away from cocaine/amphetamines, kids

Eric posted:

Chris is one of my best friends, but he's also a pain in the arse because he's such a perfectionist. When Chris is focussed, he's unbelievable, but I think Chris now wants to make movies. It became very difficult to get him to make day-to-day decisions on games.

quote:

How did you feel when Chris Roberts left Origin?
It's interesting that whenever people leave it's not usually a surprise, there are usually issues. Chris, in my mind, is one of the few brilliant game visionaries. I think very highly of Chris. But on the flipside, Chris at Origin... We had very strained business relationships. Chris wasn't particularly pleased with how our executive group operated and they weren't too pleased with him.

It's a shame, because Roberts always fancied himself as a film-maker, didn't he?
That was one of the other reasons he left Origin. Chris's drive to make movies is very strong, and we didn't want to back him financially to do that.

Differo Cathedra posted:

My favorite bit of this is that Croberts is really excited about the amazing futuristic feature of chatting with people in a game while you are not. Absolutely magnificent.

SomethingJones posted:

My favourite part is when he says that the social aspect of the game will be just like their online forum community.

Tokamak posted:

After the thread on insurance a couple days ago, Citizens are starting to worry about losing their ships.

Punishing PvP players
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/327821/punishing-pvp-players

The gist seems to be that combat and ship loss is something to be avoided at all costs. If you want actually want to fight stuff, you should play Arena Commander. If you lose a ship, you are going to have to wait for a new one and pay extra insurance premiums (if you can afford it). Bored of waiting, play Arena Commander or Star Marine in the Sim-pod.

Get killed by an NPC, your fault. Ship explodes because you accidentally mined a volatile space gas (this is apparently a thing), your fault. Clip an asteroid, your fault. You are not being punished for playing the game, you are suffering the consequences for your poor decision making. Hope you never make any mistakes on day one, otherwise there is going to be a lot of waiting for your Aurora to respawn.

Never mind the state of ships in the alpha. How they are very fragile and prone to exploding. Or the huge number of ships designed purely for combat. Or how development has focused on combat first, to the detriment of every other game system.

Unsurprisingly, there are a lot of B'Tak posts.

WebDog posted:

A cocktail of coping mechanisms for sure.
Remember that quote from Ben where he read the budgets for the WC production and found lots of diems being spent purely on alcohol.

It's interesting watching the videos over the years. He starts off as somewhat glazed over but coherent during the pitch and then right on one of the first Wingman's Hangars he starts off on the dreams tangent with Eric Peterson trying to hold his composure through the long winded ramblings "So there'll be racing?" .."oh..yeah...lots of racing yeah...we want that too".

And Eric. He's likely kicking himself for being fooled again.


At least he saw enough red flags and bailed. But the RSI team appear to hate his guts.
Eric was pretty well shafted on RSI chat for promoting Descent. Lando smacked him with the ban hammer.


And continuing on with how Chris's reputation began to sour in the industry post Origin, I found this interview with Richard Garriott.

The impression I'm getting is despite Chris being gifted, and certainly at one point having enough talent early on in his career, he was given such leeway for effectively creating one of the industry's first big hits that it got so far too his head and EA was so keen on "the next big blockbuster" they let it happen and then realised their mistake.

Any of the behind the scenes videos at the time of WC 3/4 attest he's really playing director and the game is second fiddle. Somewhere around that time he went full rockstar and drowned any remaining talent in a sea of grog and recreational drugs which wasn't helped by a reputation as a stubborn taskmaster fluttered through the industry capped off by him being removed from his self-funded dream project and sending him into a major personal crash.

The tragedy of Star Citizen is that for so many of the key players it's not a quest to create the BDSSE, but to redeem themselves in the eyes of an industry and others who have given up on them.

Sandi, Ortwin, Lando and to a degree Ben, have all become pariahs in their retrospective industry and communities and expect Chris to somehow save them from their own mistakes. Chris makes the major mistake of sympathising with them out of a common bond not realising just how much damage is being done.

Thoatse posted:

That video is actually a jumpoint/wormhole being navigated between systems which is done at normal 'flying' speeds because you're supposed to be maneuvering to survive the jump as opposed to quantum drive, which is to get around within a system at 0.2c. However, his 'tremendous g's if you tried to turn' thing is still every bit as idiotic and wrong as it sounds, and a bit of sustained stupidity that forms the foundation the 'realistic' physics are built on.

Here's a great site explaining just how mistaken CR's infantile understanding of g's in space is: http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/misconceptions.php

e: this section in particular http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacegunexotic.php#fighters

Scruffpuff posted:

I know - I agree - and that's exactly what I said. They've been intentionally pushing the large patches, so once SQ42 code gets pushed as the new PTU code, they're only gonna push the deltas, under the guise of having "improved" the patcher.