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Does the quad damage pickup make the right noise? edit: Almost. No pickup noise, but the firing noise is right. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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Limited amount of objects, enemies, and map segments 4 player max Basic as hell pre-made rooms snapping to other pre-made rooms Needing to unlock parts Snapmap looks terrible, thanks to the devs being limited by consoles for some idiotic reason. Hopefully it can be modded to not be stupid on PC.
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Apr 26, 2016 14:53
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Blackheart posted:They should call Snapmap Retard Maker.
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Apr 26, 2016 15:06
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laserghost posted:someone made a nifty gif of the snapmap toolbar:
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Apr 26, 2016 15:46
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Stuntman posted:Hahahahaha, look at that loving universal ammo pickup. Anyone see any options for specific ammo pickups? Retard 4 ended up being a more apt name than any of us could have predicted. I predicted it
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Apr 26, 2016 16:21
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AirRaid posted:Also, I am constantly bemused by goons recently, when this pattern develops: I've read this entire thread, and not a single poster ever did this. Saying the MP is poo poo and SnapMap is pretty impressive isn't really contradictory at all. Keiya posted:Wait, 343i managed to do it worse than Nintendo? I'm... actually legitimately amazed. You shouldn't be amazed, 343i has been nothing but incompetent since their inception. But it is surprising that RETARD4 somehow has a very intelligent, sensible system for searching and tagging and listing custom maps and player content, while both Mario Maker and Halo 5 completely hosed that up. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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Apr 26, 2016 16:21
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There were plenty of people poo-pooing the game in general. The tone of the thread was pretty silly negative for some time. DOOM shall rocketh our faces.
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Apr 26, 2016 17:21
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If we can get that faster movement speed in single player, encounters that feel like more than just monsters in a room with a key, and lots and lots of secrets, I think we're good. If the comments from controller guy in the stream reflect the design ethos, then I trust them a bit more at this point. More recoil and knockback on shots and hits would go a long way, though.
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Apr 26, 2016 17:35
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Blackheart posted:They should call Snapmap Retard Maker.
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Apr 26, 2016 17:45
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Did they say how many monsters you'd be able to stuff into a level?
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Apr 26, 2016 17:45
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Look at all the ivy league dropouts going ga-ga over a feature they had in the original timesplitters.
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Apr 26, 2016 17:47
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Makes sense cus people love Timesplitters
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Apr 26, 2016 17:57
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timesplitters more like timeSHITters
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Apr 26, 2016 18:00
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Zaphod42 posted:I've read this entire thread, and not a single poster ever did this. Saying the MP is poo poo and SnapMap is pretty impressive isn't really contradictory at all. There were people making GBS threads on snap map long before the MP hate fest started. It's not just this thread though. I'm sure you'll agree the No Man's Sky thread is getting the same thing. Others too that I don't read nearly as much.
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Apr 26, 2016 18:19
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The only thing less interesting than someone being glib about how bad this game is and giving up after a week is the endless commentary on exactly that. Talk about Doom, buttholes.
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Apr 26, 2016 19:07
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*slams fist on table* The goon hivemind has gone too drat far with its negativity and I will not stand for it
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Apr 26, 2016 19:16
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Mordja posted:Did they say how many monsters you'd be able to stuff into a level? Nothing concrete, but the limits can probably be subverted with strategically managed spawns. I imagine it's a matter of "all at once" rather than total possible encounters.
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Apr 26, 2016 19:21
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Alien Iso reminds me a lot of Doom 3 but I haven't played much of it yet. The setting* and tension are pretty cleary inspired by it. *might just be a round-a-bout coincidence since Alien's set design lords over all "low fantasy"/Mil style sci-fi and the devs here obsessed over exactly that. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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Apr 26, 2016 19:37
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I can't wait to use snapmap to remake wow.wad
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Apr 26, 2016 20:25
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Cool new little trailer thingy posted/leaked by some dude who scored it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnshyDdwYw8 (edit: woops removed already. It was pretty cool!) Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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Apr 26, 2016 20:47
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Apparently SnapMap was outsourced to Escalation Studios (http://www.escalation.com/project/doom) who I've never heard of, but are based in Dallas so that kinda makes sense. Yet another red flag about Doom, the game sounds like its been outsourced as bad as Halo MCC was. At least 3 entirely different teams working on 3 separate modes independently?  Awkward.Not that outsourcing is wholly uncommon in the games' industry, but usually you have teams collaborating or you have the outsourced team merely handling map packs or DLC or something, while the lead team handles design. That's what I originally assumed was the case, Id was handling game design and CA was just doing maps. But that's seeming less like the case over time. Here its feeling like Bethesda really just said "Id, you guys do a single player, Certain Affinity, you guys do the multiplayer, and Escalation, you do SnapMap, see you guys in a year" Which again, would explain why the MP feels exactly like COD/Halo. You'd really think somebody would have told CA not to do that, though, since COD/Halo is where they've worked in the past. I don't know how you pick CA after the previous Doom 4 development was scrapped for being too COD, but at least tell them "hey probably don't make it like COD". Would be nice if we could get some more footage of single player...
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Apr 26, 2016 20:55
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Zaphod42 posted:... another red flag about Doom, the game sounds like its been outsourced as bad as Halo MCC was. At least 3 entirely different teams working on 3 separate modes independently? Zaphod42 posted:Would be nice if we could get some more footage of single player...
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Apr 26, 2016 21:08
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it's Doom, but there's a sniper rifle in it
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Apr 26, 2016 21:15
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Intel&Sebastian posted:The only thing less interesting than someone being glib about how bad this game is and giving up after a week is the endless commentary on exactly that. I'm sorry, this is the Retard 4 thread.
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Apr 26, 2016 21:17
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PrincessWuffles posted:It seems like at this scale of development, multiple studios are the norm. I don't like it either, but I don't know what can really be done to change it at this point. You could just tell devs to say "Develop all aspects you actually want in this game" instead of outsourcing? But yeah, three different studios doing three different things for one project sounds... iffy. I'm getting Too Many Cooks vibes.
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Apr 26, 2016 21:19
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PrincessWuffles posted:It seems like at this scale of development, multiple studios are the norm. I don't like it either, but I don't know what can really be done to change it at this point. Yeah, but its usually more like Ubisoft Montreal working with Ubisoft Paris and Ubisoft Barcelona. That makes sense. And again, one studio would be in charge and kinda doll out tasks to the other studios, like creating assets. Things like Halo MCC where they just tell one studio to handle one part and another studio to handle another part without much oversight or communication can end really, really badly. Now, I don't work at Bethesda so maybe they're overseeing things more than I'm assuming or maybe Certain Affinity and Id are just calling each other on the phone all the time and Id is totally cool with all these changes, but it definitely feels like they're going different directions.
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Apr 26, 2016 21:22
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widespread posted:You could just tell devs to say "Develop all aspects you actually want in this game" instead of outsourcing? Getting another team to make SnapMap for the users is a cool bonus, not a negative. Your solution is if id doesn't have time to make that while working on the game, just don't include it? Why? I say get another team to throw in a Kart Racing mini-game, it's all just extra value.
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Heavy Metal posted:Getting another team to make SnapMap for the users is a cool bonus, not a negative. Your solution is if id doesn't have time to make that while working on the game, just don't include it? Why? I think his solution would be "have Id do everything and just don't release the game until its done" which is how things used to be done but no more 
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widespread posted:You could just tell devs to say "Develop all aspects you actually want in this game" instead of outsourcing? I assumed it was more of a publisher issue than the development teams themselves. Maybe you are too, if I'm parsing correctly. One central team taking their time would be better, though, yes. We've already waited how long? I'm willing to wait if the waiting is worth it.
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Apr 26, 2016 21:27
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Zaphod42 posted:I think his solution would be "have Id do everything and just don't release the game until its done" which is how things used to be done but no more In the old days id also wouldn't have spent half a decade spinning their wheels before getting to the point where the game being "done" was even a thing on the horizon
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Apr 26, 2016 21:34
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JerryLee posted:In the old days id also wouldn't have spent half a decade spinning their wheels before getting to the point where the game being "done" was even a thing on the horizon Are any of the oldtimers still at id anymore?
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Apr 26, 2016 21:36
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We outsourced all the bad parts. And the good parts, too. So, you're going to be left with the bland. 
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Apr 26, 2016 21:42
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Heavy Metal posted:Cool new little trailer thingy posted/leaked by some dude who scored it so what was it?
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Apr 26, 2016 21:44
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Kazvall posted:We outsourced all the bad parts. And the good parts, too. So, you're going to be left with the bland. The Soylent of videogames.
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Al-Saqr posted:so what was it? Here ye go https://vid.me/RTTy Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 05:08 on Apr 27, 2016 |
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Apr 26, 2016 22:05
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Mordja posted:Are any of the oldtimers still at id anymore? Donna Jackson counts? If not, then Tim Willits, and he was recruited during Ultimate Doom development iirc
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Apr 26, 2016 22:07
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Heavy Metal posted:Here ye go ooooh nice, very exciting looking trailer, really kickass stuff like the Robot with the giant fuckoff energy sword, it's hitting all the right notes for me, looking forward to tomorrow to see if this game is worth it or not! And it looks like that story leak from before is looking very accurate, you can clearly see the 'tomb' the marine wakes up from, it looks like the leak got the part where the marine is 'awakened' correctly. Al-Saqr fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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Apr 26, 2016 22:10
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Mordja posted:Are any of the oldtimers still at id anymore? I'm pretty sure Tim Willits is still there, and I'm also pretty sure he's the only one. He wasn't part of the Doom team either, but he did join for Quake which was still pretty classic Id. The original Doom dream team is all long gone. Carmack was the last one to go.
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Apr 26, 2016 22:18
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Zaphod42 posted:I'm pretty sure Tim Willits is still there, and I'm also pretty sure he's the only one. Kevin Cloud is still there as a senior artist I think.
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Heavy Metal posted:Here ye go Haha "text to be removed" Not a ton here we haven't seen before, other than the new enemy/boss guy. Who looks like they straight up copied Pan's Labyrinth designs, but whatever. The level geometry continues to be pretty cool and get me excited, especially the hellscapes. I am so loving sick of realistic buildings in videogames, that's cool for military immersion or whatever, but sometimes I just want poo poo to be cranked up to 11, just do what's cool, who cares what's realistic, its a loving game. You can do anything! Still need to see more of how the single player actually plays though, before I can commit to buying this or not. MP - felt bad SnapMap - looks great SP - jury's still out If SP is good, then that plus SnapMap is enough to sell me, definitely. But I'm concerned about that. a retard posted:Kevin Cloud is still there as a senior artist I think. Ah you're right! He's actually lead artist at Id, and was co-owner with Tim Willits until Bethesda took over. He's now executive producer. That's cool at least. He joined before Willits did, even. He's been there since the early Doom days. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Apr 26, 2016 |
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