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Ikantski posted:I did some digging and it turns out that wikipedia has some light to shed on this matter.
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We'll use the "I'm not an imbecile I'm a moron" defense, that oughta hold 'em off. Speaking of unusual defenses, a former RCMP officer; i.e., someone who was responsible for carrying a firearm and making snap decisions about other people's liberty and survival, testified that he imprisoned, starved, tortured and burned his own 11-year-old son because he had figured out that the devil had taken up residence inside the boy and was planning to use his body to rape the officer's wife and other children. He's totally sure that the stepmother wasn't aware that any of this was going on, of course, and that she should go free because hey some 11 year olds just weigh fifty pounds. This line of thinking is explained by the PTSD from the time that he was raped as a kid. Truly a model officer for our times. flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 13:53 on Apr 27, 2016 |
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Helsing posted:Stepping back and taking a bigger picture view of this argument, your blase attitude toward the distribution of income in society -- based on the premise that eventually it ends up as tax income for the government -- is dangerous because it ignores the important impact that institutions have on economic development. To quote from the conclusion to an econ paper on the topic of institutions and their impact on distribution:... While we're talking about a more basic issue than the overall distribution of income in society, I cite this paper as worthy of consideration because the implication of your statement is that we don't need to worry much about institutions or the distribution of income as long as we have a vaguely progressive tax system. I'd suggest that's a really dangerous and foolhardy attitude. We have no reason to celebrate an economy in which an increasing percentage of consumer spending goes into debt servicing. More disposable income going towards debt service is bad. Canada's debt-to-income ratio is definitely worrying. That said, a terrible article published in a terrible journal* and written by that journal's editor** doesn't provide sufficient support for your assertion, particularly concerning the bolded part. Progressive taxation and redistributive transfers can go a long way towards mitigating rising income inequality. For example, this paper, which has not yet been peer reviewed but was written by economists at good institutions and has been well-cited, shows that redistribution completely mitigated the increase in pre-tax income inequality during the Great Recession --- inequality in disposable income and consumption did not rise at all. * The best journal in economics, the American Economic Review, has an impact factor of 2.7; the JEI has an impact factor of 0.07. ** Journal editors publishing their own sole-authored work in their own journals is an obvious sign of CV-padding and general journal shittiness.
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Apr 27, 2016 14:07
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flakeloaf posted:We'll use the "I'm not an imbecile I'm a moron" defense, that oughta hold 'em off. When the CBC reporter was talking about this on the radio yesterday I was blown away. Why are people giving credence to this idiot's story and reporting it as fact. The RCMP officer was also charged with sexual assault in this case right?
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Apr 27, 2016 14:20
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de_dust posted:I did some digging and it turns out that wikipedia has some light to shed on this matter. Hopefully no one tells him that the same Crown that is mentioned in those "Crown Corporations" is ALSO the same Crown that is worn by the titular Queen in whose courts the case was tried  Maybe he's on to something, where EVERY single criminal case is in fact a conflict of interest! And we didn't even need to check for gold braid to blow this wide open.
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Apr 27, 2016 14:22
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Sexual assault causing bodily harm, in fact. Which idiot, the maple syrup boosts viruses idiot or the my kid is a mythological creature who'd rather rape things than do his geometry homework idiot?
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Apr 27, 2016 14:23
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flakeloaf posted:Sexual assault causing bodily harm, in fact. Both, but moreso the piece of poo poo RCMP officer. I still think the other story is really sad.
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Apr 27, 2016 14:27
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Hm I didn't hear that segment. Are they actually suggesting that his literal lunacy is worth entertaining in the slightest? I thought the whole point of an NCR defense was to lay down just how disordered your thinking was so a judge can say "Holy poo poo dude you need help not jail".
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Apr 27, 2016 14:31
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By reporting on the details of his testimony you give them credence. Nobody needs to hear anything but "man continues to testify in his own defense in the trial for confining and abusing his child". This isn't some incredibly important case with fine distinctions that really matter to the general public.
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Apr 27, 2016 14:49
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 de_dust posted:I did some digging and it turns out that wikipedia has some light to shed on this matter. Did you know that the "Crown" is owned by the so-called government?
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How convenient that nothing is said in this particular article about he ambulance not being sufficiently stocked with what was needed, about evidence being withheld. 
There wouldn't have been anything an ambulance could have done to save the childs life. At most a Critical Care Paramedic could have started a trach to keep him breathing, but to find someone trained to do that in the field is rare.
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flakeloaf posted:Speaking of unusual defenses, a former RCMP officer; i.e., someone who was responsible for carrying a firearm and making snap decisions about other people's liberty and survival, testified that he imprisoned, starved, tortured and burned his own 11-year-old son because he had figured out that the devil had taken up residence inside the boy and was planning to use his body to rape the officer's wife and other children. He's totally sure that the stepmother wasn't aware that any of this was going on, of course, and that she should go free because hey some 11 year olds just weigh fifty pounds. This line of thinking is explained by the PTSD from the time that he was raped as a kid. I'm sure he feels very bad about it, and he had a difficult childhood, so the judge will most likely give him 3 months probation or some such rubbish. It's not like we could actually punish someone for doing a bad thing like this; that would just be needlessly bloodthirsty.
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Apr 27, 2016 16:09
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But if he's NCR then punishing him would indeed make no sense.
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I don't know how you could be both NCR for a long period of abuse, and able to hold down any job, much less as an RCMP officer. Just being a bit "off" doesn't make you NCR, you have to lack the ability to distinguish between right and wrong, if I'm not mistaken. One incident -- possibly NCR. A continuing pattern of abuse and neglect? Shotgun to the face, IMO 
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Apr 27, 2016 16:23
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John Horgan is loving worthless. Why isn't he tearing Christy Clark a new rear end in a top hat right now?
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If his superiors were willing to write-off every complaint against him as unsubstantiated, you'd be amazed how long a piece of poo poo cop can keep his badge. If people get a gun shoved in their face or an arm broken because 'a buddy was going through a rough patch', that's totally a price the RCMP is willing to make the public pay.
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THC posted:Completely unrelated but one of my friends posted this gem today Thank you Dr. Axe for your raw beans and acai berries. you fixed my leaky guts. *dies two months later from actual unresolved medical problem*
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Apr 27, 2016 16:48
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jm20 posted:EMT's starting a trach, lol. Advanced care paramedics in Ontario are trained to do cricothyrotomies and to intubate with an ETT. I don't know what paramedics in Alberta do, but I am sure it's minimally different. Anyway, it wasn't the medics and it's dumb to think that's where the medical fault lies.
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Sturmtiger IV posted:Thank you Dr. Axe for your raw beans and acai berries. you fixed my leaky guts. Dr. Josh Axe Dr. Josh Axe quote:Dr. Axe is a board certified doctor of natural medicine (DNM), earned his doctorate in Chiropractic at Palmer College (DC), and is certified nutrition specialist (CNS) from the Board of Certified Nutrition Specialists.  A Doctor you say
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jfood posted:If his superiors were willing to write-off every complaint against him as unsubstantiated, you'd be amazed how long a piece of poo poo cop can keep his badge. If people get a gun shoved in their face or an arm broken because 'a buddy was going through a rough patch', that's totally a price the RCMP is willing to make the public pay. CBC Doc Zone says: quote:A person is not found Not Criminally Responsible just because they are suffering from a mental illness at the time of the commission of the crime; it must also be proven they did not have the capacity to appreciate their actions, know right from wrong at the time of the offence, or if they were not in control of their behaviour because of their mental illness. The defence must prove the accused is NCR on the ‘balance of probabilities’ or more likely than not . Only 2 in 1000 cases end up with an NCR verdict. And of those, charges of serious violence only account for 8.1% of NCR cases overall. He may well have had a mental disorder of some kind, but I find it really, really unlikely that this bastard didn't have the capacity to appreciate his actions, didn't know right from wrong, or was unable to control his actions due to his mental illness, for the length of time it takes to starve and abuse an 11-year-old down to 50 lbs., all without anyone doing anything or noticing anything. PTSD would explain one incident of abuse, not a continuing, long-lasting pattern. NCR means more than just "dude did a crime while mentally ill."
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Lassitude posted:Advanced care paramedics in Ontario are trained to do cricothyrotomies and to intubate with an ETT. I don't know what paramedics in Alberta do, but I am sure it's minimally different. Stop with your whitewashing of the facts, its painfully obvious the EMT's lack of medical supplies and training killed the child. Giving his lungs access to oxygen would clearly have had him turn the corner from meningococcal meningitis. I actually thought our EMT's in Ontario didn't do intubation, I know our RPN's are a basically useless cost savings crutch for our healthcare system. It's only the RN's that do them, and you want people with practical experience doing them regularly to not unlike placing an IV in a less common area when necessary.
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Sturmtiger IV posted:Thank you Dr. Axe for your raw beans and acai berries. you fixed my leaky guts. One of my wife's friends is like this. She is skeptical of any kind of actual medicine but will go to naturopaths, chiropractors, reiki, you name it. Recently she had an actual medical problem and was finally convinced to go to a real doctor, who gave her medicine that cleared her problem up, so naturally she was astounded that actual medical care from a real doctor could clear up her problem within a few days when all the alternative medicine in the world couldn't do a drat thing. Of course she didn't learn anything from the experience and still recommends alt-med bullshit whenever my wife mentions any kind of medical thing to her.
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Apr 27, 2016 17:01
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Do really dumb religious beliefs legally count as mental illness?
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Entropic posted:Do really dumb religious beliefs legally count as mental illness? That's the problem, you'd have to separate them from the regular evidence based religious beliefs which gets a little tricky.
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Ikantski posted:evidence based religious beliefs Hahahahahaha
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Ikantski posted:evidence based religious beliefs which gets a little tricky. like - bitcoin - desktop linux - dogs vs cats
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jm20 posted:https://news.vice.com/article/these-anti-vaccine-parents-found-guilty-in-the-death-of-their-toddler quote:The Stephans have said they were shocked by the charges, which they believe were laid because the Crown wanted to make an example of them for not vaccinating their kids. Ezekiel had never been vaccinated, and neither have the Stephans' three other children. Yeah well that's more or less precisely what the Crown ought to do with you guys. I'm fine with the idea that alt-med idiots everywhere might struggle with the nagging thought that they might end up in the slammer if they substitute medicine for their kids with fake magical potions. There's really no need to punish or rehabilitate these two (although please for the love of god help their other kids), but I'd say there's a pressing societal need for deterring others from leaving their kids vulnerable to deadly diseases and attempting to treat those diseases with the purest spring onion extract from the tallest Chinese mountain.
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Yeah no lawyer wants to touch "when is religion so goofy you can call it crazy in a court of law?"
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Heavy neutrino posted:Yeah well that's more or less precisely what the Crown ought to do with you guys. I'm fine with the idea that alt-med idiots everywhere might struggle with the nagging thought that they might end up in the slammer if they substitute medicine for their kids with fake magical potions. There's really no need to punish or rehabilitate these two (although please for the love of god help their other kids), but I'd say there's a pressing societal need for deterring others from leaving their kids vulnerable to deadly diseases and attempting to treat those diseases with the purest spring onion extract from the tallest Chinese mountain. The very best thing to come from sentencing would be for them to lose custody of their other 3 children, not jail time. That would be an incredibly powerful message to send to the alt-med community.
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jm20 posted:The very best thing to come from sentencing would be for them to lose custody of their other 3 children, not jail time. That would be an incredibly powerful message to send to the alt-med community. Those aren't mutually exclusive, mind you. We could and should very easily do both!
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"uh dude i think your kid is dying from meningitis" "thanks man, i got this" *drives to Whole Foods*
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What do you mean you are no longer stocking Asparagus water??? My child has Meningitis and needs some.
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they just need to get to the point where if you can't produce the official documents that your kid is vaccinated, then they aren't allowed at school. Not quite as bad but also just stupid is when my friends go oh I don't need the flu shot, I'm healthy and can survive the flu plus I get sick days then lol. Well yeah, but it's not for you, it's so you don't get the flu then see your 90 year old grandparents or your infant nieces/nephews and give it to them and they die.
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Then they'll just homeschool the kids. That makes the problem worse.jm20 posted:What do you mean you are no longer stocking Asparagus water??? My child has Meningitis and needs some. Vaccinations cause asparagus syndrome. jm20 posted:The very best thing to come from sentencing would be for them to lose custody of their other 3 children, not jail time. That would be an incredibly powerful message to send to the alt-med community. That sounds like a logical next step. If you don't know enough to keep your kid from dying from a preventable illness that should kill approximately 0 people per year in a first-world country, you may not be fit to raise your remaining kids to escaping-from-your-loony-bin age.
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Heavy neutrino posted:Yeah well that's more or less precisely what the Crown ought to do with you guys. I'm fine with the idea that alt-med idiots everywhere might struggle with the nagging thought that they might end up in the slammer if they substitute medicine for their kids with fake magical potions. There's really no need to punish or rehabilitate these two (although please for the love of god help their other kids), but I'd say there's a pressing societal need for deterring others from leaving their kids vulnerable to deadly diseases and attempting to treat those diseases with the purest spring onion extract from the tallest Chinese mountain. I'm hoping they do something about it at the policy level. I know that they were doing something last year. Don't know how effective it will be though and it seems to only be for certain things. quote:Companies of nosode products have been asked to comply with these changes by January 2016. The new statement for nosode products is: “This product is neither a vaccine nor an alternative to vaccination. This product has not been proven to prevent infection. Health Canada does not recommend its use in children and advises that your child receive all routine vaccinations.” It would be cool if there was a similar warning label on products that claim to cure/alleviate a disease but have not actually been proven to do anything.
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flakeloaf posted:Then they'll just homeschool the kids. That makes the problem worse. Without an accredited education at the very least they won't fill positions where they could do real harm, only harm to other idiots like them
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jm20 posted:The very best thing to come from sentencing would be for them to lose custody of their other 3 children, not jail time. That would be an incredibly powerful message to send to the alt-med community. No, it really wouldn't. The child services system is not a good place to grow up in, and for as dumb as these people are, their kids are at least growing up in a home where people love them. The best thing would be for one of the parents to realize that they should bring their kid to a real doctor next time something happens.
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Do it ironically posted:Without an accredited education at the very least they won't fill positions where they could do real harm, only harm to other idiots like them Things like healthcare and a proper education are a child's right and should not be withheld because their parents are hosed in the head. Public education and vaccination ought to be mandatory with a very small list of exemptions (maybe allowing for accredited private schools that do not receive any public funding, for example).
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I'm always amazed at what's apparently legal to advertise whenever I pass the naturopathic clinic.
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