Auspol April - Long Live the Glorious State of North Queensland

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Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

hooman posted:

I like how Sinodinus invokes Mark Arbib of all loving people in his "I'm not getting dodgy donations and trying to hide it" defence.

Noted CIA asset Mark Arbib

# ? Apr 28, 2016 02:38

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# ? May 25, 2024 16:51

thatbastardken: Apr 23, 2010; A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

Actual Cannibal Mark Arbib

# ? Apr 28, 2016 02:39

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

Has a brown sounding and therefore dodgy name

# ? Apr 28, 2016 02:55

thatbastardken: Apr 23, 2010; A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

Arbib is an acronym of Briba = Briber

i do not consent to joinder with this corporate person

# ? Apr 28, 2016 03:08

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

I didnt order any airbnb

# ? Apr 28, 2016 03:18

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Poll Bludger now has ALP ahead :toot:

# ? Apr 28, 2016 03:18

Au Revoir Shosanna: Feb 17, 2011; i support this government and/or service

mal means bad

# ? Apr 28, 2016 03:36

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Was this turd posted yet?

MORE than 70,000 dole bludgers are exploiting a medical loophole to avoid having to get a job by claiming they are too sick to work.

An investigation by the Department of Human Services has uncovered what the Turnbull government believes is widespread rorting of the medical loophole by some dole bludgers, as well as unscrupulous GPs.

In inner-city Brisbane, 30.8 per cent of dole recipients are claiming the medical exemption to get around mandatory job-seeking requirements.

In some parts of Sydney and the Central Coast more than 50 per cent of all dole recipients use GP sick notes to claim they are too unwell to hold down a job.

The most common conditions that are used to avoid working include depression, anxiety, muscular-skeletal problems, drug addiction and alcohol dependence.

The figures, obtained by the Herald Sun, reveal almost 8 per cent of all Newstart, youth allowance and single-parent payment recipients use GP medical certificates to get around mandatory jobseeking requirements.

They are all welfare recipients who are deemed not to be sick enough to receive the Disability Support Pension.

Alarm bells were raised �recently when data from the �Department of Human Services discovered so-called �hotspot� suburbs and regions where authorities now suspect that scammers are shopping around for medical certificates.

The Central Coast leads the nation in the number of dole recipients claiming to be too unwell to seek a job, with 55.8 per cent claiming an exemption through a GP�s medical certificate.

Sydney�s inner west � which includes suburbs such as Marrickville and Balmain � came in third with 30.4 per cent, just behind Brisbane with 30.8 per cent.

With the Budget facing a massive $190 billion welfare bill by 2020, Human Services Minister Christian Porter has ordered an immediate crackdown on the dole scammers � and has also threatened legislation to deal with the rorting.

One option being considered is using government doctors to assess people�s fitness to find work, as was done with the Disability Support Pension.

�I will not accept one urban suburb has eight times more illness than another,� Mr Porter said.

�It appears some people are taking advantage of the system at the expense of the taxpayer, and it has got to stop.

�A genuine medical condition such as depression that creates a temporary inability to search for work is one thing, but it is not reasonable to accept that some regions have eight times more people that have such severe anxiety or depression that they are unable to look for work.�

There are 727,778 people claiming Newstart � only slightly fewer than the 824,470 people who claim the DSP.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 03:42

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

Speaking of turds

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-28/wicked-campers-funny-senator-leyonhjelm-says/7366542

quote:

Wicked Campers slogans include: "A wife: an attachment you screw on the bed to get the housework done", "A blowjob a day keeps the breakup away" and "In every princess there is a little slut that just wants to try it once".

Wicked Campers slogans are 'funny', Senator says

But Senator David Leyonhjelm said the company had done nothing wrong.

"They make some very funny statements, which obviously have sexual connotations," Senator Leyonhjelm said.

"But surprise, surprise sexual connotations are part of life.

"You need to be a particularly wowserish type of person to not find them funny."

Senator Leyonhjelm said people were free "not to like" the slogans, but they should simply "mind their own business".

# ? Apr 28, 2016 03:50

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

There was an article that punched some great holes in this, I think it was this one:
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/27/welfare-groups-say-job-seekers-are-being-demonised-in-budget-lead-up

quote:

Leading welfare groups have attacked the Turnbull government and sections of the media for a spate of stories �unfairly misrepresenting� unemployment benefits data to �vilify� and �demonise� the 800,000 Australians who cannot find a job.

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The welfare leaders pointed to the Daily Telegraph�s Tuesday story headlined �Booze drugs dole rort ... dole grubs shirking work�, and other recent stories including one titled �A quarter of dole recipients shirking appointments and jobs�, both �exclusives� based on government data.

�We are very concerned that the government and parts of the media have been pushing story after story unfairly misrepresenting data and vilifying the unemployed as undeserving dole bludgers ahead of next week�s budget. It has all the signs of a softening-up campaign, demonising people who can�t get a job to pave the way for further �crackdowns�,� said the chief executive of the Australian Council of Social Service, Cassandra Goldie.

�This isn�t the way to achieve good public policy. It does immediate and real harm to the hundreds of thousands of people who are already living the reality of not being able to get a job and who are being demonised. I urge the prime minister and his ministers to think about the human impact of these stories.�

Tuesday�s story was based on figures from the Department of Human Services showing that at the point of time when the study was done 70,000 people it described as �dole bludgers� � about 8% of all Newstart recipients � had received a doctor�s certificate to show they were too sick to undertake the normally required job search activities.

�Tens of thousands of bludgers are using a medical scam � claiming �illnesses� including drug and alcohol abuse � to get the dole without having to find a job,� the story said.

Goldie, and the chief executive of Jobs Australia, David Thompson, said the level of medical exemptions would have risen after major changes to eligibility for the disability pension � forcing many people with a �partial� capacity to work onto the lower unemployment benefit.

�By definition those people will have periods when they are unwell and unable to work,� Goldie said.

A spokesman for the social services minister, Christian Porter, said the minister was not concerned about the overall level of medical exemptions at any one time, around 8% nationally, but the fact that in some regions the numbers were far higher than the average � for example 55.8% in the NSW central coast or 30% in Sydney�s inner west.

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�The government is not demonising jobseekers, it is cracking down on people who are doing the wrong thing,� the spokesman said.

�The government fully accepts that people will have medical issues that mean they cannot look for work for a period of time. The government�s concern is not that some people are too sick to look for work, but that there are specific locations where more than half the welfare recipients in that region are not looking for work because they have a doctor�s certificate. Moreover, in one location the rate is more than eight times the national average � raising serious questions about what is happening in that location. This is of significant concern.�

Goldie said she agreed governments should �track down and stop� people doing the wrong thing, and the welfare sector would be happy to help solve such problems, but the data was being presented in a way that vilified all unemployed people and all 70,000 who had received a medical exemption at the time of the survey.

She pointed to the Telegraph�s editorial, based on the 70,000 figure, which was headlined �Bludgers have had a free run for too long� and began: �If only these people put as much work into looking for honest work as they put into finding ways to rort the system.�

Thompson said the second story: �A quarter of dole recipients shirking appointments and jobs� was also �unfair�, saying it was appalling that anyone unemployed was characterised as a �shirker� or a �bludger�.

That story reported data released by the Department of Employment that �revealed that in just three months � between 1 July and 30 September 2015 � an alarming 276,000 job seekers had their welfare payments suspended�.

Gerard Thomas, policy and media officer with the Welfare Rights Centre, said the period in question coincided with major changes to the job seeker rules, during which around 350,000 job seekers were shifted to different employment service providers, causing inevitable confusion about where they had to go for their first appointment with a new provider. Missing an appointment leads to an automatic suspension, but almost all the jobseekers in question had their payments reinstated with full back-pay, suggesting they had a �good reason� for not attending an appointment.

The same figures show 7,192 jobseekers had received a more serious penalty for failing to attend and interview, and only 209 had been penalised for refusing a suitable job.

�The facts are there are far fewer jobs than there are people chasing them. The vast majority of jobseekers just want to find work and these stories humiliate them,� Thompson said.

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�Of course governments have to make sure people don�t do the wrong thing, but these stories vilify all jobseekers because of the mistakes of a small minority.�

The welfare leaders are also concerned at reports citing predictions that Australia�s �welfare bill� will rise to $190bn by 2020, with the implication that the total amount, and the increase, is due to unemployment benefits.

In fact unemployment benefits represent around 7% of that �welfare� figure and are falling as a percentage of gross domestic product, whereas pension payments represent 40% and are rising, and family and childcare payments represent 25%.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 03:51

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

And now for the comments section!

Newstart administration needs to be privatised with a very harsh contract to ensure rorting is stopped.

The government needs to fix the loophole now. Cut their payments and save our money

I am so tired of hearing these excuses. Develop a backbone, for heavens sakes. There ARE others much worse off, every time. It's the excuses people make, the rushing off to psychologists that "validates" these conditions, especially in children.

Shame on these people, and shame on those GPs issuing the certificates, raking in even more $ from Medicare, assuming those low lifes have health cards. No wonder Australia is going down the tube.

I also believe anyone who hasn't paid taxes, (under retirement age) should not vote.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 03:51

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Anidav posted:

Was this turd posted yet?

MORE than 70,000 dole bludgers are exploiting a medical loophole to avoid having to get a job by claiming they are too sick to work.

An investigation by the Department of Human Services has uncovered what the Turnbull government believes is widespread rorting of the medical loophole by some dole bludgers, as well as unscrupulous GPs.

In inner-city Brisbane, 30.8 per cent of dole recipients are claiming the medical exemption to get around mandatory job-seeking requirements.

In some parts of Sydney and the Central Coast more than 50 per cent of all dole recipients use GP sick notes to claim they are too unwell to hold down a job.

The most common conditions that are used to avoid working include depression, anxiety, muscular-skeletal problems, drug addiction and alcohol dependence.

The figures, obtained by the Herald Sun, reveal almost 8 per cent of all Newstart, youth allowance and single-parent payment recipients use GP medical certificates to get around mandatory jobseeking requirements.

They are all welfare recipients who are deemed not to be sick enough to receive the Disability Support Pension.

Alarm bells were raised �recently when data from the �Department of Human Services discovered so-called �hotspot� suburbs and regions where authorities now suspect that scammers are shopping around for medical certificates.

The Central Coast leads the nation in the number of dole recipients claiming to be too unwell to seek a job, with 55.8 per cent claiming an exemption through a GP�s medical certificate.

Sydney�s inner west � which includes suburbs such as Marrickville and Balmain � came in third with 30.4 per cent, just behind Brisbane with 30.8 per cent.

With the Budget facing a massive $190 billion welfare bill by 2020, Human Services Minister Christian Porter has ordered an immediate crackdown on the dole scammers � and has also threatened legislation to deal with the rorting.

One option being considered is using government doctors to assess people�s fitness to find work, as was done with the Disability Support Pension.

�I will not accept one urban suburb has eight times more illness than another,� Mr Porter said.

�It appears some people are taking advantage of the system at the expense of the taxpayer, and it has got to stop.

�A genuine medical condition such as depression that creates a temporary inability to search for work is one thing, but it is not reasonable to accept that some regions have eight times more people that have such severe anxiety or depression that they are unable to look for work.�

There are 727,778 people claiming Newstart � only slightly fewer than the 824,470 people who claim the DSP.

holy loving poo poo, like where do I begin the rebuttal?

# ? Apr 28, 2016 03:51

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Hey, almost like being jobless and constantly pressured by the people you rely on to eat food has a higher chance to create debilitating mental issues?

# ? Apr 28, 2016 03:55

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

That or this (from the article I posted above):
Goldie, and the chief executive of Jobs Australia, David Thompson, said the level of medical exemptions would have risen after major changes to eligibility for the disability pension � forcing many people with a �partial� capacity to work onto the lower unemployment benefit.

They created the monster to terrorise the village.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 03:56

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

On the bright side, bill shorten will never be prime minister of Australia

# ? Apr 28, 2016 03:57

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

If only anyone anywhere had ever created some data examining if things like depression and anxiety tend to cluster in certain areas due to reinforcing and being reinforced by socio-economic factors.

Oh well.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 04:12

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Solemn Sloth posted:

If only anyone anywhere had ever created some data examining if things like depression and anxiety tend to cluster in certain areas due to reinforcing and being reinforced by socio-economic factors.

Oh well.

Sociology and social epidemiology are ideology and not science don't you know? Now let's organise welfare on the entirely rational basis of praxeology.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 04:20

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

Was the Detention movie mentioned yet?

It was a story this morning here.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 04:21

Mad Katter: Aug 23, 2010; STOP THE BATS

Kat Delacour posted:

That or this (from the article I posted above):
Goldie, and the chief executive of Jobs Australia, David Thompson, said the level of medical exemptions would have risen after major changes to eligibility for the disability pension – forcing many people with a “partial” capacity to work onto the lower unemployment benefit.

They created the monster to terrorise the village.

I'm not surprised by this. A family friend had a heart attack one year out from retirement and was told by his heart surgeon that he was not fit to return to work.

Despite letters from this surgeon stating that he was likely to drop dead, centrelink refused to put him on the disability pension, and insisted that he go on newstart.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 04:23

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

Maybe you should get a job and then you won't feel so depressed

# ? Apr 28, 2016 04:25

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

quote:

Documentary reveals secret remote island camps where Australia sends asylum seekers

lol no. We spruik this 'solution to the migrant question' to Europe all the time, they love it and we love it.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 04:25

Skellybones: May 31, 2011; Fun Shoe

It's funny because Australia was a remote island prison camp for undesirables.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 04:28

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

Manus, Christmas and Nauru aren't secret

In fact the opposite is true

Media reports of stuff happening there have become so routine as to desensitise

# ? Apr 28, 2016 04:29

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

El Scotch posted:

Was the Detention movie mentioned yet?

It was a story this morning here.

The comment section is astroturfed right????

# ? Apr 28, 2016 04:30

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

This is basically the high water mark of bill shortens opposition leadership

The government is hamstrung because it's holding off until the budget

Meanwhile electricity bill shorten has come up with some policy that the media is interested in

After the budget the conversation switches back to the government's policy agenda, and bill gets hammered on being a dodgy unionist who has to explain why he's going to an election over opposing the abcc

Labor primary will go back to 36%

# ? Apr 28, 2016 04:37

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Negligent posted:

This is basically the high water mark of bill shortens opposition leadership

The government is hamstrung because it's holding off until the budget

Meanwhile electricity bill shorten has come up with some policy that the media is interested in

After the budget the conversation switches back to the government's policy agenda, and bill gets hammered on being a dodgy unionist who has to explain why he's going to an election over opposing the abcc

Labor primary will go back to 36%

Nah.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 04:44

Amoeba102: Jan 22, 2010

Skellybones posted:

It's funny because Australia was a remote island prison camp for undesirables.

Port Arthur has a little island off the main prison area that was a prison for boys. It was a prison island in a prison island in a prison island.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 04:44

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

Skellybones posted:

It's funny because Australia was a remote island prison camp for undesirables.

and nothing's changed

# ? Apr 28, 2016 04:56

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

ALP think they can unseat Wyatt Roy on a margin of 7%, they are dreaming

The good national result now is built mainly on nsw, which is unhelpful in terms of seats Labor needs to win

# ? Apr 28, 2016 05:02

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN: Jun 26, 2009

Kat Delacour posted:

There was an article that punched some great holes in this, I think it was this one:
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/27/welfare-groups-say-job-seekers-are-being-demonised-in-budget-lead-up

What sort of pressure can be applied by the government to GPs in the problem post codes to justify or correct their high average? Are they subject to reviews, or whatever, or is it entirely at their discretion?

# ? Apr 28, 2016 05:12

Mad Katter: Aug 23, 2010; STOP THE BATS

Negligent posted:

Manus, Christmas and Nauru aren't secret

In fact the opposite is true

Media reports of stuff happening there have become so routine as to desensitise

Except the part where journalists can't get visas and staff literally go to jail if they report cases of abuse.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 05:16

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

katlington posted:

What sort of pressure can be applied by the government to GPs in the problem post codes to justify or correct their high average? Are they subject to reviews, or whatever, or is it entirely at their discretion?

I know it's hard to imagine that socioeconomic factors might impact where you live but bear with me here ...

# ? Apr 28, 2016 05:20

Cartoon: Jun 20, 2008; poop

katlington posted:

What sort of pressure can be applied by the government to GPs in the problem post codes to justify or correct their high average? Are they subject to reviews, or whatever, or is it entirely at their discretion?

You need to be a doctor to contest a medical certificate. However the story is factually incorrect, it takes way more than a single GP certificate to get on a disability pension.

https://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/services/centrelink/disability-support-pension

quote:

You may receive Disability Support Pension if you:

are aged between 16 years and age pension age
meet the residency requirements
meet the income and assets tests for your situation
and either:

are permanently blind
or all of the following:

are assessed as having a physical, intellectual or psychiatric impairment,
are unable to work, or be retrained for work, for 15 hours or more per week at or above the relevant minimum wage within the next 2 years because of your impairment, and have actively participated in, or completed, a Program of Support if required
To assess your eligibility for Disability Support Pension, we need medical evidence to help us understand your disability, injury or illness. You may need to attend an assessment with a Job Capacity Assessor and government-contracted doctor. This helps us determine whether you can work, how much work you can do and how much help you need to find and keep a job.

I posted this ridiculous beat up two days ago. It was poo poo then and is still poo poo now.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 05:26

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

Mad Katter posted:

Except the part where journalists can't get visas and staff literally go to jail if they report cases of abuse.

What story could they write that hasn't already been heard, and ignored by most people in Australia

# ? Apr 28, 2016 05:28

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

Australia should have bought nuclear submarines from the US. It would drive greenies crazy.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 05:46

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Negligent posted:

What story could they write that hasn't already been heard, and ignored by most people in Australia

"Reffos on Nauru have foxtel" on the front page of the Telegraph.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 05:49

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

What are they too good to pirate game of thrones like everyone else

# ? Apr 28, 2016 05:51

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Refugees get helicopter rides on Nauru.

To hospital.

24 hours after they set themselves on fire.

# ? Apr 28, 2016 05:57

Negligent: Aug 20, 2013; Its just lovely here this time of year.

I think they use a private jet

# ? Apr 28, 2016 05:58

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# ? May 25, 2024 16:51

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

SynthOrange posted:

Refugees get helicopter rides on Nauru.

To hospital.

24 hours after they set themselves on fire.

Is this a Bronwyn Bishop kerosene bath joke?

# ? Apr 28, 2016 06:00

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