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tooterfish posted:People don't use SCBs when their shields are full though. They (generally) use them when they're already at risk of getting knocked offline, so in most cases all this weapon does is make fighting SCB users the same as fighting none SCB users. It's not like they can use it to instantly destroy your fully charged shields, unless you're into spamming the SCB button as soon as you come under fire. Stop getting in the way of our pitchforks with your reasonable discourse
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chaosapiant posted:Clearly they saw the sardine cans on my ship stacked with 110 worker bees. If I understand ED measurements correctly, that's 110 tons of slaves. If you don't feel like Robigo I made a small but steady profit just shuffling hundreds of tons of imperial slaves around. Not as time efficient as the Robigo slave trade but the imperial slave trade is safe to just do at a relaxing pace if you feel like participating in a more sedate form of human suffering.
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Conskill posted:If I understand ED measurements correctly, that's 110 tons of slaves. 110 tons of slaves is still only 110 slaves if they're all Lesnick sized.
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IAmTheRad posted:I bought a Federal Assault Ship. The FAS is wonderful. What's your loadout? I'm partial to one C3 beam to strip shields (it can fire plenty long with a good distributor and a few pips), and three frag cannons to tear the hull apart. Unloading 9 frags into an unshielded FdL at close range is very satisfying. I can't wait for C3 multis; the FAS' maneuverability will be great for them.
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FrankieGoes posted:110 tons of slaves is still only 110 slaves if they're all Lesnick sized. I do kind of wonder when the SC thread will be opened back up.
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Shine posted:The FAS is wonderful. What's your loadout? I'm partial to one C3 beam to strip shields (it can fire plenty long with a good distributor and a few pips), and three frag cannons to tear the hull apart. Unloading 9 frags into an unshielded FdL at close range is very satisfying. I can't wait for C3 multis; the FAS' maneuverability will be great for them. I am using Burst Gimbals on the large, and Cannons on the medium. I am bad at aiming. If I had more power I'd go with beams.
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IAmTheRad posted:I am using Burst Gimbals on the large, and Cannons on the medium. I am bad at aiming. If I had more power I'd go with beams.
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1500 posted:I do kind of wonder when the SC thread will be opened back up. Last I knew it was back to its own forum.
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Dreadwroth posted:Culty? Nah we're just a bunch of frogs, er people helpin each other. No cults here friend! Wait, then what's with this studded leather strip outfit Kermit is making me wear? I was told this was standard issue. 
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So haven't played since right before CQC was live. Is it worth hopping back into or wait for Horizon 2.1?
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Sag A* just became a pretty mundane place. “The presence of such high velocities in the molecular emission from IRAS 20100−4156 could be explained by a ~50 pc molecular ring enclosing an approximately 3.8 billion solar mass black hole.”
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nippythefish posted:Wait, then what's with this studded leather strip outfit Kermit is making me wear? I was told this was standard issue. Uh I think that's between you and Kermit, I really don't wanna know.
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Helter Skelter posted:As long as you have the 6A distributor, you can fire a large gimballed beam forever with 4 pips to weapons. One beam, three shotguns, dunks on everything in a RES/CZ 
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Rectus posted:One beam, three shotguns, dunks on everything in a RES/CZ 
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Tippis posted:Sag A* just became a pretty mundane place. Sgr A* is actually on the medium-low end of supermassive black holes (4x10^6 solar masses) and the ingame representation is nearly ten times less mass than it is in real life.
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Sedisp posted:So haven't played since right before CQC was live. Is it worth hopping back into or wait for Horizon 2.1? I wouldn't wait - a lot of big stuff is going off before 2.1.
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Main Paineframe posted:I wouldn't wait - a lot of big stuff is going off before 2.1. Yeah; for instance, you can pick up a mission to wait 40 minutes for NPC Bob Johnson to never show up, or you can participate in the breathtaking community storyline of waiting 55 minutes for NPC Steve Fakename to not show up
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Last I knew it was back to its own forum. So it did, thanks, I almost missed nothing happening.
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tooterfish posted:People don't use SCBs when their shields are full though. They (generally) use them when they're already at risk of getting knocked offline, so in most cases all this weapon does is make fighting SCB users the same as fighting none SCB users. It's not like they can use it to instantly destroy your fully charged shields, unless you're into spamming the SCB button as soon as you come under fire. The cutter can have roughly 2000MJ shielding and the ability to SCB back 1500. That 500MJ remainder represents more shielding than most of the other ships in game have total, and the railgun instapopping them would make that weapon's effective damage for that one shot 4x as high as the next highest weapon - the 4A Plasma Accelerator. If you think this won't make big ships totally useless (e: for pvp) I don't know what to tell you vOv Chrysophylax fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Apr 28, 2016 |
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Chrysophylax posted:The cutter can have roughly 2000MJ shielding and the ability to SCB back 1500. That 500MJ remainder represents more shielding than most of the other ships in game have total, and the railgun instapopping them would make that weapon's effective damage for that one shot 4x as high as the next highest weapon - the 4A Plasma Accelerator. Well, weird non-sequitur nonwithstanding, at least we're in agreement about great ships not being in danger from this new, situational weapon system.
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Yeah I totally mangled that sentence. I'll reserve further judgement when we actually know how it works. I'm hoping there's at least the opportunity cost mentioned earlier, and that they won't work like the heal beams - beams that know what action to perform, instead of just performing either of the actions.
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For all you know that magic shield popping railgun imparts the wielder a staggering amount of heat and gobbles up double the normal power requirements too.  No point stressing about it until the update pops.
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Chrysophylax posted:The cutter can have roughly 2000MJ shielding and the ability to SCB back 1500. That 500MJ remainder represents more shielding than most of the other ships in game have total, and the railgun instapopping them would make that weapon's effective damage for that one shot 4x as high as the next highest weapon - the 4A Plasma Accelerator. Also, most small ships get an inherent damage penalty against large hulls by stint of not having large weapons. There's also a limit to the amount of pilots in an instance, meaning outnumbering larger ships with smaller ones isn't really a viable strategy. This weapon isn't making large ships totally useless for pvp, it's making small ships not totally useless for pvp. tooterfish fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Apr 28, 2016 |
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Ultimately my problem is that I don't trust Frontier to introduce that sort of nuance. E: tooterfish posted:Or you could just not use your SCB and you'll still have your "more shielding than most of the other ships have in game total", because no one's actually taking that away from you. Using SCBs becomes an actual decision, instead of a no brainer. Do you risk it or not. Except once the shield goes down that ship is a sitting duck with very fragile and exposed internals. We tested hybrid or full armor builds on these and it simply doesn't work. You either bring the tank including the regen that SCBs bring or almost any other ship is a better choice. It's already iffy right now. tooterfish posted:Also, most small ships get an inherent damage penalty against large hulls by stint of not having large weapons. There's also a limit to the amount of pilots in an instance, meaning outnumbering larger ships with smaller ones isn't really a viable strategy. This weapon isn't making large ships totally useless for pvp, it's making small ships not totally useless for pvp. That damage penalty doesn't apply to shields. I guess what we're arguing about is whether we want to see fewer large ships in combat or more small ones. I'd rather have more choices rather than fewer. Chrysophylax fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Apr 28, 2016 |
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Main Paineframe posted:I wouldn't wait - a lot of big stuff is going off before 2.1.
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tooterfish posted:Or you could just not use your SCB and you'll still have your "more shielding than most of the other ships have in game total", because no one's actually taking that away from you. Using SCBs becomes an actual decision, instead of a no brainer. Do you risk it or not.  That's a big gamble with a $ Moosepickle fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Apr 28, 2016 |
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So if I'm in a Vulture doing some Big Ship Killing I have to delicate one whole hardpoint to this SBC-busting weapon? That seems like Frontier is making this for a very specific set of circumstances. Kind of like torpedoes, I like running around as an Imp Eagle with torps but I don't do it alone.
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KakerMix posted:So if I'm in a Vulture doing some Big Ship Killing I have to delicate one whole hardpoint to this SBC-busting weapon? That seems like Frontier is making this for a very specific set of circumstances. Kind of like torpedoes, I like running around as an Imp Eagle with torps but I don't do it alone. These situational weapons will likely be best used in wings. You could have a dedicated support ship with the healing lasers and the SCB buster, for example. At a glance, I think having the SCB buster do something like cancel the SCB, drain however many MJ it recharged, and put the SCB on a short cooldown would be more balanced, but we'll see how it works in practice.
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Chrysophylax posted:Ultimately my problem is that I don't trust Frontier to introduce that sort of nuance. Worst case, the same "top tier" pvpers end up flying different flavour of mono build until the next change. So who gives a flying gently caress. Chrysophylax posted:That damage penalty doesn't apply to shields. I really wish people wouldn't do this, it makes them look like total cunts. KakerMix posted:So if I'm in a Vulture doing some Big Ship Killing I have to delicate one whole hardpoint to this SBC-busting weapon? That seems like Frontier is making this for a very specific set of circumstances. Kind of like torpedoes, I like running around as an Imp Eagle with torps but I don't do it alone.
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Shine posted:These situational weapons will likely be best used in wings. You could have a dedicated support ship with the healing lasers and the SCB buster, for example. Yeah wing composition is important, and I think more viable with the new weapons. Getting picked off isn't so much a choice as it is being pounced when you gently caress up. but having strategies in wing fights will be very interesting I am excited. But a lot of people get super scared to specialize. My IMHO hybrids serve their purpose but don't do any one thing well, which has it's disadvantages too. tooterfish posted:
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Moosepickle posted:I learned from the best! It's the single allears thing that winds me up. It's smug as gently caress.
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tooterfish posted:You changed your post to include actual words.
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tooterfish posted:You changed your post to include actual words.
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tooterfish posted:You changed your post to include actual words.
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tooterfish posted:Should've seen that coming...
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You gonna stand for this N4I?! They're making a mockery of you!
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