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I can't believe how excited I am about the Jeb campaign!
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Apr 28, 2016 21:45
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AllanGordon posted:Prob true if people didn't remember the hatred Hillary supporters felt towards Barry in 08 after he won the nomination Whoa yeah good point!
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Apr 28, 2016 21:46
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Except that's not what happened at all, the DOD was is charge of the Manhattan Project and basically decided on their own to drop the bombs on Japan, Truman knew about it but was never specifically briefed on their plans to nuke Japan, he was very hands off on the whole bombing business until after the second bomb when he told them they were not to drop any more atomic bombs without his specific authorization. Really the lesson of Truman was a DOD that kind of went out of bounds because Truman didn't tell them to stop because of his fecklessness and then he was like, hey, we just killed 100k people, how about you not do that again unless I specifically tell you too.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:46
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see you at the megyn kelly interview son
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Apr 28, 2016 21:47
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zoux posted:Let me go ahead and stop you there: "Woman Card" is an unmitigated disaster of a statement that is going to dog him until November. I don't think so. That particular cat has been out of the bag since his "blood from wherever" feud with Megyn Kelly. Granted the republican primary voters care less about this issue than democratic primary voters, but Trump still has captured women's votes in the primaries. More than the negatives of sexism is that in large groups people want to be/bandwagon with the perceived winner. Hillary will hammer him on it and Trump will take solid hits in votes on it I agree, but I don't think this sinks him. Too many other factors at play.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:47
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Typo posted:this is what a bunch of dudes on reddit believes but doesn't correspond very well with real life So what happens when Trump"s female VP starts campaigning that she agrees with Trump, that all Hillary's accomplishments are farces? That unlike FORMER FIRST LADY she actually got her governorship/congressional seat by being a smart and hardworking woman making it in a man's world?
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Apr 28, 2016 21:47
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Oiled and Ready posted:"Hillary thinks she gets your vote because you're a woman. She's entitled, but women are smart enough to vote for who will do a better job." This is the frame, and the more times he can get Hillary to make a "he can't say that about us women, right ladies?" move the more ammo he'll have when he turns to that frame in the fall. I'm sure Trump just straight up telling women how they should be voting as opposed to, for example, not being himself and saying the things he does and holding the opinions he does, will go over well
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Apr 28, 2016 21:48
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Three Olives posted:Except that's not what happened at all, the DOD was is charge of the Manhattan Project and basically decided on their own to drop the bombs on Japan, Truman knew about it but was never specifically briefed on their plans to nuke Japan, he was very hands off on the whole bombing business until after the second bomb when he told them they were not to drop any more atomic bombs without his specific authorization. Like your posts, it doesn't matter
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Apr 28, 2016 21:48
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Helical Nightmares posted:I don't think so. That particular cat has been out of the bag since his "blood from wherever" feud with Megyn Kelly. Trump is going to lose by 100+ EV's and 20 points in the popular at an absolute minimum.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:48
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Trump (third-hand) quote of the dayquote:Lewandowski was berating my editor over another gripe: I had called the candidate “Donald” rather than “Mr. Trump” in an email. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/2016-media-issue-donald-trump-press-pen-campaign-reporters-campaign-lewandowski-schreckinger-
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Apr 28, 2016 21:49
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Oiled and Ready posted:"Hillary thinks she gets your vote because you're a woman. She's entitled, but women are smart enough to vote for who will do a better job." This is the frame, and the more times he can get Hillary to make a "he can't say that about us women, right ladies?" move the more ammo he'll have when he turns to that frame in the fall. If there's one thing I know about Donald Trump, it's that he is very disciplined with his political messaging. This should go well!!
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Apr 28, 2016 21:49
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Epic High Five posted:I'm sure Trump just straight up telling women how they should be voting as opposed to, for example, not being himself and saying the things he does and holding the opinions he does, will go over well Oh Trump won't be saying that, women will be. Surrogatezzz E:well he probably will say it too because he says anything, but his female VP and women surrogates will push that one harder.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:49
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Oiled and Ready posted:So what happens when Trump"s female VP starts campaigning that she agrees with Trump, that all Hillary's accomplishments are farces? That unlike FORMER FIRST LADY she actually got her governorship/congressional seat by being a smart and hardworking woman making it in a man's world? Clinton is an accomplished politician who, while started off her political career as first lady, managed to define herself first as a senator then as a secretary of state. This is a tactic which prob works in 2000 or so but not in 2016 also trump is retarded enough to prob say some dumb poo poo like fat chicks shouldn't vote or something at some point
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Apr 28, 2016 21:50
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zoux posted:Well well well looks like we all owe Ted Cruz an apology. Huh. Well gently caress.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:50
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I'm not sure people really understand what it means when someone has a 50% strong disapproval rating among women. It means those women aren't going to loving listen to that person when he tells them how they should be voting. Oiled and Ready posted:So what happens when Trump"s female VP starts campaigning that she agrees with Trump, that all Hillary's accomplishments are farces? That unlike FORMER FIRST LADY she actually got her governorship/congressional seat by being a smart and hardworking woman making it in a man's world? I'm sure everyone will just forget that Ms. Universe pageants are a thing or whatever.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:51
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Reminder that the Clinton campaign had an attack ad centering on the last line of Trump's speech, including Clinton herself speaking on it, professionally done and ready within hours of Trump saying it. He's going to have to watch what he says like a HAWK for months. So far he hasn't been able to hold a moderate-ish position for 24 hours
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Apr 28, 2016 21:53
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Augus posted:I'm not sure people really understand what it means when someone has a 50% strong disapproval rating among women. Women, like men, are fickle creatures and we're a long way from November.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:53
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Huge, if true.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:53
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I always think its kind of funny when white men who have never not had a member of their demo to vote for for president start telling women and minorities that voting for someone based on identity is bad.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:53
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I don't think Trump will pick a female VP, it's too calculating, and it's not like there's an American Marine LePage looking for a career boost anywhere. He's going to go with competence, not with pandering. Women prefer male leaders over female ones anyway, aside from those edge cases where the woman leader is just obviously more competent than the next 10 male competitors which happens sometimes. This is not that time.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:54
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Augus posted:I'm not sure people really understand what it means when someone has a 50% strong disapproval rating among women. A lot of people that never had to deal with racist/sexist/homophobic/etc bullshit don't really get this. It doesn't take much for that kind of person to get enough of a sense of someone else to viscerally veer away from them. No one has a keener ear for dogwhistles than whose life/lifelihood depends on avoiding dogs.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:54
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Well Basketball was invented by a Canadian... according to those Canadian minute commercials at least.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:55
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No Mans Land posted:I don't think Trump will pick a female VP, it's too calculating, and it's not like there's an American Marine LePage looking for a career boost anywhere. He's going to go with competence, not with pandering. Women prefer male leaders over female ones anyway, aside from those edge cases where the woman leader is just obviously more competent than the next 10 male competitors which happens sometimes. This is not that time. this is what happens when you spend too long posting on SA reddit 4chan
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Apr 28, 2016 21:55
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No Mans Land posted:Women prefer male leaders over female ones anyway, aside from those edge cases where the woman leader is just obviously more competent than the next 10 male competitors which happens sometimes. This is not that time. Keep on telling women what they prefer, let us know how that works out for you.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:55
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Evidence is, look how bad action movies with female leads do at the box office. Since we don't have any better data.AreWeDrunkYet posted:Keep on telling women what they prefer, let us know how that works out for you. This is such an insidious statement. I used a generalization and you turned it into, I am simultaneously lecturing every single woman individually on what they should do. That is not at all what I said.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:55
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zoux posted:I always think its kind of funny when white men who have never not had a member of their demo to vote for for president start telling women and minorities that voting for someone based on identity is bad. I voted for Obama twice, I'm clean here. Not that there were any good white men up for the job those years.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:55
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Oiled and Ready posted:Women, like men, are fickle creatures and we're a long way from November. Women, like men, suffer from hysteria and are so drat crazy.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:56
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The only female VP Trump could possibly land would be Condi Rice, which is especially funny because she's the one who set the precedent for private e-mail servers use as Secretary of State that Trump will no doubt be harping on Hillary for.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:56
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Oiled and Ready posted:Women, like men, are fickle creatures and we're a long way from November. Yeah, I'm not holding my breath.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:56
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So Steve Deace was on CNN a little while ago, it went about as well as you might expect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvRlvhhua4M
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Apr 28, 2016 21:56
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zoux posted:Well well well looks like we all owe Ted Cruz an apology. I think the funny thing about that gaffe that a lot of people probably missed is that even IF "basketball ring" was an agreed upon term it wouldn't change the fact that Cruz was actually trying to pander to that crowd by referencing a classic scene in Hoosiers (since they were in the gym where it was shot) and he just made a total bungled mess of it because it made no sense in that context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cdc13CU9Fc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz7m23D5Cms That's what's really funny about Cruz calling it a "ring." Not that he made a simple gaffe, but that he was trying to force a totally unfitting pandering moment for a few hundred people into his speech and he made such a mess of it that it became something for millions of people to mock him about. Ultimately Ted Cruz is that guy who you never stop hating and mocking because he never stops trying too hard to show how cool and smart he is.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:57
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Hey oiled and ready that is some top notch TOP NOTCH weaseling I mean it completely seriously I'm going to use that one.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:57
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Shageletic posted:A lot of people that never had to deal with racist/sexist/homophobic/etc bullshit don't really get this. It doesn't take much for that kind of person to get enough of a sense of someone else to viscerally veer away from them. No one has a keener ear for dogwhistles than whose life/lifelihood depends on avoiding dogs. The funny thing is that they -do- get it, see reddit's hostility towards feminism as being anti-men and liberals as being anti-white.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:57
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No Mans Land posted:A Colbert link, well i never 
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Apr 28, 2016 21:57
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zoux posted:Well well well looks like we all owe Ted Cruz an apology. If Cruz was right about that... what if he's right about everything? We've been laughing at him in our ignorance, not hearing the truth because of our preconceived notions. Maybe it's time we gave him an honest second look.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:57
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Oh my god imagine a Donald Trump/Michelle Fiore ticket though
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Apr 28, 2016 21:57
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zoux posted:I always think its kind of funny when white men who have never not had a member of their demo to vote for for president start telling women and minorities that voting for someone based on identity is bad. as opposed to affirmative action for the nuclear football? i dunno condi will never be vp, trump doesnt want to link himself to the bush years
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Apr 28, 2016 21:58
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Epic High Five posted:Oh my god imagine a Donald Trump/Michelle Fiore ticket though Donald Trump/Franchesca Fiore
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Apr 28, 2016 21:58
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No Mans Land posted:I don't think Trump will pick a female VP, it's too calculating, and it's not like there's an American Marine LePage looking for a career boost anywhere. He's going to go with competence, not with pandering. Women prefer male leaders over female ones anyway, aside from those edge cases where the woman leader is just obviously more competent than the next 10 male competitors which happens sometimes. This is not that time. Nah, he's gonna pick a woman based on pandering that has a record good enough he can say it was based on competency. No one will buy it, and when they don't he can call them all sexist and hypocritical even though they're right. And he will win that argument because they will be cowed in precisely the way he never is.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:58
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zoux posted:Trump is going to lose by 100+ EV's and 20 points in the popular at an absolute minimum.  I don't knowI will tell you what I think will hurt him and possibly cost him the general that I see right now. Trump has a shoddy ground game in terms of organization. Hillary has an experienced well oiled machine of veteran people working for her. Now I'm basing this on some anecdotal California details, only because I've been paying attention to California locally. So this prediction is filled with the errors you would expect. Cruz has sent advance people to California to rile up support three weeks ago. I agree with some pundits that picking up Carly as VP is an attempt to get votes in CA (it's a dumb move because Carly is not valued highly in CA but whatever). Cruz has already done the interview circuit in CA, some places twice. Compare this to Trump's CA campaign. The guy in charge of CA is new to politics and Trump is only this week focusing on CA (supposed to be in Costa Mesa today I think). Hillary will be more organized than Cruz in every state with veteran local people and I think that will be her winning hand.
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Apr 28, 2016 21:59
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