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iirc i was plat 3 at the time and he was diamond 5 so this was by no means perfect play but generally kayle is just going to shove in top and have no kill pressure on another ranged hero. he cant really farm under turret well so you can just win the lane that way, trying to fight him is a mistake. that was the only time i had ever seen that dragon champ though so i didnt really know what to expect.
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Radical posted:thats actually a really bad idea, he does more damage than kayle does As a man who has put many games into A. Sol (mid, specifically) there is nothing more terrifying than someone who just wants to run at you. His passive does most of its damage when extended out by W, and moves much more slowly while not. Also his Q has a small arm time when you fire it, so if someone is on your face you'll have no way to get them off you without your ult and you will probably die if they just stick on top of you. \ If you are referring to if Kayle stays at his outer limit and lets the balls smack her in the face constantly while autoattacking him, I would agree A.Sol would probably win that because he can add his own autos and Q her.
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The Door Frame posted:Illoai supp is essentially the same as Vel supp in my mind. She's who you pick if you aren't confident in your ADC and want to make sure whatever is in bottom lane dies, even if it costs your ADC a lot of missed kills. Illoai is horribly outclassed by Taric, Braum, Blitz, Leona, Nami, Janna and Raka, but against a weaker, heal-less supp like Thresh, Zyra, or Lux, she's a legitimate threat and real lane bully. Vel'koz is actually a really oppressive support with the best poke of any support, great base damage, and good itemization. Illaoi is ... none of those. She has garbage range, requires items to do damage, and has awful itemization out of the support role. They are literally nothing alike.
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blah_blah posted:Vel'koz is actually a really oppressive support with the best poke of any support, great base damage, and good itemization. Illaoi is ... none of those. She has garbage range, requires items to do damage, and has awful itemization out of the support role. They are literally nothing alike. She also has no crowd control beyond her "kill the ghost" slow, while Vel'koz has a knockup and spammable slows do not play illaoi support you dumb fucks
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Apr 28, 2016 18:49
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Illaoi is bad. Illaoi support is worse.
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Apr 28, 2016 18:50
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I play Shen support
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How Rude posted:smugness aside, Illaoi support is real awful trash garbage. you are putting a melee champion with no crowd control that needs items to do anything midgame in the role that should be able to Do Things midgame with minimal gold. She isn't even semi-reliable like J4 Lux or Pantheon "support", she has straight up no utility or redeeming qualities for the role. Yeah, like I said, she's completely outclassed by real supports, but against weaker ones, or paired with a bad ADC, she can hold/control the lane through tentacle smashes. I stopped taking her pretty early in the season because people finally learned how to not die to her E while trying to back, and learned to focus her when she pulls their spirit. I'd assume that now that the novelty has worn off and everyone build tank anyways, she's significantly less useful to the team, but the last time I played her she was still fairly strong, if not the most helpful lane companion
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Apr 28, 2016 18:54
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:I play Shen support I used to play him everywhere... I miss his old Q and its heal. I did play a game as top New Shen and it went well, but I'm hesitant to go back to maining jungle Shen
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Apr 28, 2016 18:55
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Ao Shin has a pretty good winrate and that's after being nerfed so something must be good about him.
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Zyra is not a weak support, she would bully the poo poo out of "support" Illaoi beecause she massively outranges her
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Sexpansion posted:Ao Shin has a pretty good winrate and that's after being nerfed so something must be good about him. What website is this
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Ilaoi support is basically a kill-lane made to murder the enemy lane early on. She is useless when laning phase ends, but that's true for normal Ilaoi as well, so whatever.
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Firebert posted:Zyra is not a weak support, she would bully the poo poo out of "support" Illaoi beecause she massively outranges her Zyra is already kind of sleeper good in my opinion (as a support) but should get a lot better with the mage/mage-item rework as both a support and mid.
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Libertine posted:What website is this http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics e: also, new champ stuff http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/taliyah-short-story
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Libertine posted:Zyra is already kind of sleeper good in my opinion (as a support) but should get a lot better with the mage/mage-item rework as both a support and mid. Having an actual passive is going to be so nice.
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tanky immobile damage dealer is exactly what i look for in a support
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Zyra is already good, her poke is just inconsistent because of the plant AI and also her passive is trashssive
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Apr 28, 2016 19:18
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Libertine posted:Zyra is already kind of sleeper good in my opinion (as a support) but should get a lot better with the mage/mage-item rework as both a support and mid. I've seen the pictures of her being surrounded by like 5 or 6 seeds at any given time. Even with diminishing returns, her already absurd damage output (and secret skillshot blocking ability) will be even better .
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Radical posted:the dragon seems quite strong if you put in the time on him, illaoi is just kinda awful all around so people stopped playing her pretty quickly. i dont know why no one plays the dragon, probably because he isn't really lane dominant and seems pretty boring. He got a nerf, and people immediately stop playing nerfed champions (regardless of what the nerfs actually did to the champion's viability), unless they are amazingly popular (e.g. Zed, Vayne, Lee).
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stay safe little sparrow
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Apr 28, 2016 19:29
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I found it! the most hilarious jhin ult 
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Ah I guess I hadn't been to the main page of that site in a long time. It looks a lot different than I remember. The data they have on breakdowns looks really good as well. I'll definitely use it more. Firebert posted:I've seen the pictures of her being surrounded by like 5 or 6 seeds at any given time. Even with diminishing returns, her already absurd damage output (and secret skillshot blocking ability) will be even better . Yeah I think it's going to be madness unless she's tuned low. I'm definitely going to play her more after the rework and find out. Sexpansion posted:e: also, new champ stuff I would need a considerable amount of money to motivate me to read through what looks like about ten solid pages of MOBA lore.
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Libertine posted:I would need a considerable amount of money to motivate me to read through what looks like about ten solid pages of MOBA lore. Yeah I started to scroll down the page, and then saw that it kept scrolling so I closed the page lol
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Zyra is already good, her poke is just inconsistent because of the plant AI and also her passive is trashssive Her passive is meh for a solo laner, but her plants are just loving frustrating. Nothing like rooting a champ with two melee plants next to him, only to have them striking minions instead. Plus they die waaay too easily, it feels like their HP doesn't scale at all and I can't find a tooltip that clearly indicates their HP or defenses
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On the other hand, the damage they do is retardedly high
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I wish it was consistent, predictable damage, like Yorrick's ghosts, but I can't argue that they do quite a lot when they get going
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if you get in range to right click theyre guaranteed to prioritize your right click target for like 3 seconds but lol if youre ever in range to right click
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The plants duration being halved is gonna hurt a bit.
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Sounds like she's gonna be some sort of geomancer. Also excited to read the word "sling", because that's a cool ranged weapon that's not yet represented on League.
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a medical mystery posted:if you get in range to right click they consider looking at your right click target for like 3 seconds but lol if youre ever in range to right click Plus, if you're in range for Zyra to AA her enemies, you usually have much bigger problems than what your plants are targeting, like the very finite time on her root. I hope they upgrade her seeds to slow like Mao or Jihn, so she has a defensive use for them. Or at least increase their duration so that she can realistically use them as vision traps
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The plant ranges are going to 750 and 400 though, which is crazy.
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Sexpansion posted:http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics Nice, we're getting Yasuo 2, so now 2 people on your team can be Yasuo
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the new champ is earth element instead of wind, so i guess this is just malphite 2.0
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NTT posted:I found it! loving lol
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Why does Blitzcrank exist and why can you still win games even if you are god awful at him?
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The Door Frame posted:Illoai supp is essentially the same as Vel supp in my mind. She's who you pick if you aren't confident in your ADC and want to make sure whatever is in bottom lane dies, even if it costs your ADC a lot of missed kills. Illoai is horribly outclassed by Taric, Braum, Blitz, Leona, Nami, Janna and Raka, but against a weaker, heal-less supp like Thresh, Zyra, or Lux, she's a legitimate threat and real lane bully.
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quote:Plasma Fission (Q) Maybe I missed this, but it's quite the buff.
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RealFoxy posted:Um, no not even close. Vel'Koz has a lot of poke and reasonable CC to follow-up on, can deal pretty good damage at most points of a game. Illaoi is a burst Juggernaut that has an annoying mechanic to lane against and does nothing without items. Both lvl 6 Illoai and Vel can singlehandedly kill enemy ADC, supp, and a ganker with limited help from their own ADC if pressed. They can both, if not win, at least hold, solo bot if need be. In my mind, you would pick them for the same reason, so they get lumped together regardless of their respective strengths or abilities. I think this is where the confusion of my "Illoai is basically the same support as Vel" statement is coming from. I would also lump Morg, Ziggs, Lux, Annie, Morde, Trundle, Quinn, and Aniva in that same category of "laning partner who will kind of support the ADC, but is really there to do what the ADC can't." Blitz, Sona, and some other hard supps could feasibly fall in that category too, but they are built for supporting instead of being solo laners who can thrive early-mid game on the razor thin margins of a support budget, and then build out from that early lead I could be wrong in my weird, meta-classifications of supports, but I'm well aware that Illoai has different strengths and abilities from Vel-Koz. I'm not great by any stretch of the imagination, but I am definitely not that bad at this game
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Bholder posted:Why does Blitzcrank exist and why can you still win games even if you are god awful at him? Blitzcrank exists because he has an ultimate-level ability on his Q and you can win games on him if you can land Q occasionally. Being good at Blitz, honestly, is less about how well you aim and more about learning when to try hooks and when not to
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Illaoi sucks as a support for a lot of reasons, but the comparison to Vel'Koz is exceptionally bad because she can't do anything to threaten you or your support. She can't zone the enemy ADC in any meaningful way and she can't buy her ADC any room. If I play a lane against an Illaoi support, to me that's a free lane.
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