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this is my favorite progressive, chicago mayor rahm emanuel. he's for affordable healthcare, good schools, and he has worked very hard over his life to elect progressives all over this country. i hope everyone will donate money to re-elect him for a 3rd term
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Classic Comrade posted:nope. the only three that got an e-mail so far were zephyr, lucy, and pramila. http://berniecrats.net/#PA
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 05:45 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:
I think it's very inspiring that he didn't let his physical disability deter him from seeking office.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 05:48 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:this is my favorite progressive, chicago mayor rahm emanuel. he's for good schools
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Concerned Citizen posted:I love poop
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 06:25 |
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this is a real nice safe space you got here shame if a micro-aggression were to happen to it
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 06:26 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:
Nah he's apparently running in Minnesota now.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 06:33 |
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Good thread CC. My probation was 100% worth it. Gassing a very active thread for an active campaign (even if it's not succeeding) is dumb as gently caress when there are Jeb and Scott Walker threads still open.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 06:36 |
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BIG DUMB POST INCOMING When it comes to identity politics, I think one of the problems is that we are accepting the terms set forth by moderates and right-wing extremists. As an example, here's how one group of allies responded to Ted Cruz's comments wrt bathroom bills: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ddblwBpvA I don't mean to single these guys out, they're just the first ones I found with a handy bite-size clip of their coverage. But what are we actually getting here? Some head-shaking, some righteous indignation. Sometimes there's a bit of hand-wringing about how the LGBT community is being attacked so heavily by regressives. But what's missing? 1) Context. Did you know that there's a single law firm that has been pushing these bathroom bills? That many of these bills have language that is almost word-for-word identical to the text put out by this anti-gay organization? I'm trans and even I didn't know about this until ChickenArise posted the following URL to the trans megathread: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/alliance-defending-freedom-lobbies-anti-lgbt-bathroom-bills So in other words, these are not legislatures independently choosing to pursue this issue. This is a coordinated attack on transgender people, carried out by an organization working from the shadows. An organization headed by a man who wrote a book called The Homosexual Agenda. So let's call them what they are: a deep-pocketed hate group that's interfering in the personal lives of minorities. This is an opportunity to showcase how unelected but moneyed interests work behind the scenes to shape our national discourse. That should never be accepted, and should be called out at every opportunity. 2) A refutation of false claims. Transgender women are the victims of sexual assault, not the perpetrators. In fact I've been unable to find a single case of a transgender woman sexually assaulting anyone, much less in a bathroom. But so far, I've only seen a single news organization highlight this point: http://abc11.com/politics/transgender-sexual-assault-victim-says-shell-defy-hb2/1296062/ Even then, they gave McCrory a pass when he said this was a "new issue." That is a boldfaced lie. The first transgender American to publicly discuss their transition fought in World War 2, and garnered a fair bit of attention and media coverage in the 1950s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Jorgensen This is not a new phenomenon, but once again by failing to provide that context the news and even advocates are inadvertently giving legitimacy to their opponents. This issue is not "some people think you have to use the bathroom that matches your birth certificate because they think it will cut down on sexual assault," it's "a hate group is secretly workshopping its discriminatory legislation around to local and state governments to use as a wedge issue in a cynical attempt to get votes by pretending this is a strange new phenomenon, when in reality this issue is over 50 years old and should have been addressed a long time ago." And you can take it further from there: if we knew transgender people were a thing in the 50's, why didn't we start working on it? Why didn't they teach kids about gender dysphoria, so that we could identify the problem and get treatment before they killed themselves (something over 40% of all trans people attempt)? Why was this reality hidden from children growing up before the 21st century, and why did we as a society do nothing to address this very real issue? How bathroom discrimination is discussed is part of a larger pattern in our national discourse, which is to keep falling for the Golden Mean fallacy. SMBC Theater had a pretty good parody video of this a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGArqoF0TpQ Right now, both sides of the debate are usually a regressive social conservative and a moderate liberal. Neither party is interested in discussing the money angle, because they both want the status quo. This framing of the national discourse as a dialog between the socially left and right wings of social conservatives is, obviously, a false narrative. Which is why when we discuss identity politics issues, we have to keep hammering home how important the role of money is in all of our political issues. Off the top of my head, here are some ways in which money plays a part in bathroom bills: 1) Money in politics is not only about bribery. The organization pushing this legislation has a wide reach because they can buy the time and energy required to get it in everyone's hands. And unlike the other side - the HRC, UCLA, etc. - they're doing it while hiding from the public. Why isn't it mandatory for the origin of this legislation to be disclosed to the public? Well, because moneyed interests from out of state know it's bad PR to be caught with their hand in the cookie jar. And in a country where bribery is legal, it was bound to happen that parties other than industry lobbyists would start sneaking around with pre-written laws for power-hungry pols to crib from. 2) Trans people are already handicapped economically, making it hard to fight back. Trans people have some of the highest rates of unemployment and homelessness of any group in America. Given that there is no protection against discrimination for employment or housing in many parts of the country, that's to be expected. And since many health insurance companies won't pay for any of our approved treatments - we're talking thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars - we're on average poorer than even people with the same take-home pay that we get. Without the support of non-profits, we'd be hard-pressed to defend ourselves from a bunch of rich regressives. 3) The only pushback that has made a real difference so far is from the 1%. If it wasn't for large corporations and rich artists boycotting the state, North Carolina would only have a handful of protesters on their hands. McCrory and company have been blindsided because they assumed they'd be able to push the trannies around with impunity, but they weren't counting on the capital class to take a stand (they usually don't, after all). In a country where wealth is concentrated into the hands of a few, the concerns of those few are the only ones that are seriously considered. Whether you're for or against bathroom discrimination bills, that should give you pause. tl;dr - show the receipts, expose them for the lying amoral hucksters they are, then bring it back to class war (feel free to pick this apart and show me why I'm dumb and wrong, by the way)
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Mr. Horrible posted:BIG DUMB POST INCOMING nice meltdown
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 06:38 |
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there are still Chafee and Webb threads open lmao
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 06:39 |
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Concerned Citizen posted:
Rahm Emanuel faught harder for public healthcare than anyone else in the Obama administration.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 06:39 |
That's because this forum isn't actually for discussing elections, it's for dank meme spam and lovely zingers. Bernie thread included, unfortunately.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 06:42 |
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Anyway there's a race for one of Iowa's US Senate seats this year. Tom Fiegen endorsed Bernie and is running for the D nomination but it's almost certainly going to Rob Hogg who stayed "neutral" for the pres primary and doesn't seem terrible. It all may be moot though as Grassley is a super entrenched incumbent.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 06:43 |
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NumberLast posted:You're gonna want to start going to locals. Hey, isn't that basically how Bernie got started? Looking forward to voting for President NumberLast in a few decades.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 06:43 |
Thank you for making this thread though CC. I might do an effortpost about the MO-2 district when I'm bored at work. Like right now lmfao
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 06:44 |
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Mr. Horrible posted:BIG DUMB POST INCOMING You a fuckin effortpost! :bernget:
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 06:44 |
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Smoremaster posted:nice meltdown You'd know about melting down you smore-loving gently caress! tranime scholar posted:Thank you for making this thread though CC. I might do an effortpost about the MO-2 district when I'm bored at work. Like right now lmfao I want to learn more about local politics! I tried doing research on my local candidates last year and it was a loving nightmare. Finding anything besides their name and party affiliation was like pulling teeth.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 06:47 |
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Ted Ooze is bad for the average American, keep him contained here in the great poo poo wastes
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Breadallelogram posted:Anyway there's a race for one of Iowa's US Senate seats this year. Tom Fiegen endorsed Bernie and is running for the D nomination but it's almost certainly going to Rob Hogg who stayed "neutral" for the pres primary and doesn't seem terrible. patty judge is probably going to win now, actually. imo hogg is better than judge and i will vote for him instead, but dscc is all up judge's butt. tom fiegen is loving horrible. he isn't really progressive, he just latched on to bernie. he has a pro-life background (which he plays down these days) and literally has been unable to say anything except sexist comments since his wife left him years ago. like in 2010 when he not-so-subtly accused roxanne conlin of having an affair with a lobbyist in the middle of a debate ("she's standing closer to the lobbyist in this photo than her husband..") or when he can't help but suggest that joni ernst won in 2014 because the election was a "beauty contest." he literally personally comments on articles on the des moines register website about rob hogg where he just calls him a corporate shill. and if you've ever seen him speak, he never loving shuts up about gmos and other bullshit. there is no candidate i hate more than tom fiegen.
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Concerned Citizen posted:patty judge is probably going to win now, actually. imo hogg is better than judge and i will vote for him instead, but dscc is all up judge's butt. Tom Fiegen did a reddit AMA where he talked about how we should annex Mexico. Like, in all seriousness. I'm gonna try to find it. Oh, he deleted it. You can either trust me (and my terrible memory) or not, but iirc the response here was that Mexican citizens should have the right to gain dual citizenship by "Swearing loyalty to the (US) constitution," and once enough of them do it opening up Mexican states for US statehood. NumberLast has issued a correction as of 07:37 on Apr 29, 2016 |
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Mr. Horrible posted:BIG DUMB POST INCOMING Awesome and interesting post! I love learning about how much of a shithead I am and how I can be a better ally.
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Concerned Citizen posted:patty judge is probably going to win now, actually. imo hogg is better than judge and i will vote for him instead, but dscc is all up judge's butt. Thanks for this. I'd tossed him 5 bucks earlier, now I know better. Judge is awful and Krause is a nonstarter, so I guess that leaves Hogg. It also looks like Fiegen is going down the Bernie or bust route big time, which is how I feel personally, but I think is an incredibly bad idea for someone running to represent a state that essentially tied.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 09:16 |
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The revolution lives on in this thread. Nice. Get the progressivm going, people. But this thread might've been better placed in D&D proper (i know, uugh), because the subforum will get purged in a couple month, also the local election stuff will stay relevant! "All those moment. Lost like tears in rain. Time to die." -the fucker who gassed the Bernie thread
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 09:31 |
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Mr. Horrible posted:awesomesauce I spend a lot of time railing against identity politics on Facebook, so thanks for giving me a nice big note to repost that is positive on the issue for once
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 09:31 |
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What do y'all know about Colorado/Denver politics? Seconding how goddamned difficult it is to get a good, clear picture of local candidates.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 09:32 |
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NumberLast posted:how much of a shithead I am I hope no one actually thinks of themselves that way. Bathroom bills have been on my mind a lot so I just figured I'd use that as an example. Obviously I'm thrilled to have allies though! If anything I'm hoping there are some general tactics in that word salad that can be applied to other issues. Like how fossil fuel flacks will put out talking points for muddying the waters of climate change. Hell, they even wrote up prep material for poo poo-talking the Pope! http://www.salon.com/2015/06/17/coal_industry_provides_congressional_republicans_with_some_handy_anti_pope_talking_points/ Instead of only responding to the presented arguments, I think it's time to start laying out fact-based attacks of our own. "The senator didn't come up with that line himself, someone from the coal lobby told him to say it. Do we really want to be represented by a bunch of puppets that answer to the people who pull their strings? I think the American people deserve better than that."
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 09:39 |
I used to whine about identity politics a lot and honestly what has given me pause is how Bernie Sanders has handled the issue. Believe me I still lament the theoretical single-issue identity politics person who may exist somewhere up the food chain making GBS threads up a larger movement for the sake of their own pet issue, but I'm not sure this actually exists much as I and others sometimes think it does. I think there are bigger fish to fry since it's reasonably easy to integrate the politics of identity into a larger progressive movement and there are much more malevolent forces that actively work to undermine progressive politics and I would rather focus on that than being an rear end in a top hat because somebody is trying to be a part of something while having needs unique to them and people like them.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 09:49 |
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Oh hey, the band got back together! As much as I love hailing satan, i'm excited for this thread, and really like the effortposts so far. Also to derail: Is it Classic Comrade who is the sunscreen advocate? I'm trying to get my girlfriend to wear it, but she's kinda a hippie and CHEMICALS! Any suggestions for well made sunscreen?
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 12:36 |
Sunscreen is essential for some people. Like me. I keep that poo poo in my car. My skin is insanely fair. The only time I had any color was after a week on the Florida coast, and I sunburned despite basically bathing myself in water resistant sunscreen, and the sunburns weren't the worst I ever had, in terms of blistering, but in terms of the time it took to heal, the time it was painful to exist, it was very rough. In Texas, unless it's very cloudy and winter, I can't work outside without burning. If I didn't i would basically always be in pain and probably have skin cancer by now. I know i'm a freak of nature but just based on what the sun does to my skin I could only advocate people be smart and wear sunscreen because even if I readily show more visible sun damage, that doesn't mean similar poo poo isn't going down in your body at the microscopic/molecular level.
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hemophilia posted:I used to whine about identity politics a lot and honestly what has given me pause is how Bernie Sanders has handled the issue.
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Fast Luck posted:There's definitely an issue that exists when there's a clearly more left-wing candidate (Bernie) with a superior record to Hillary's who's had his supporters smacked with the label "Bernie Bro" and called "white men" all campaign long, when Hillary says things like "if you break up the big banks, would that end racism," when people considering not voting for Hillary are accused of "privilege," and on down the line. They did it in the UK too, calling Jeremy Corbyn a "brocialist." It's incredibly unfortunate that cynical people would leverage the identity-based movement against the economic left wing, but I don't think any of us could have missed that it's happened, and on a massive scale. Look, corporations aren't bad, they're good, just check out the beautiful brand logos! https://www.buzzfeed.com/jarrylee/beautiful-rainbow-brand-logos-celebrating-marriage-equality It's not as bad as moneyed right interests but it is a distraction tactic for sure.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 13:34 |
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Eh, I think proper labelling would help a lot here. Don't call yourself 'progressive' (as in the One True And Only), call yourself 'economic progressive', and acknowledge that other people may find social progression to be personally as much, or more, important. I know that it drives a lot of people crazy that, they feel, Bernie fans try to usurp their progressive, well, identity. In other words: don't deny the need for identity politics, because this denies the needs and feels of people who might be your potential allies. Find your place within the intersectional context and try to work from there instead.
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meristem posted:Eh, I think proper labelling would help a lot here. Don't call yourself 'progressive' (as in the One True And Only), call yourself 'economic progressive', and acknowledge that other people may find social progression to be personally as much, or more, important. I know that it drives a lot of people crazy that, they feel, Bernie fans try to usurp their progressive, well, identity. How about calling yourself a progressive and valuing both economic and social issues. I have no problem with people valuing the social side over the economic one, I don't appreciate using social progressivism as a shield to excuse candidates that can just claim taking corporate money and being corrupt shitheads is just due to being shrewd operators and they are somehow protected from being called out on their poo poo.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 14:24 |
Way too many social issues have related if not causative economic factors, so to be merely socially progressive doesn't compute for me. To me, being socially permissive and/or accepting while also having apathetic or rear end-backwards attitudes about the economy already has a label, it's called 'libertarianism'.
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http://billmoyers.com/episode/the-one-percent-court/quote:BILL MOYERS: Welcome.
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 14:43 |
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FreakerByTheSpeaker posted:Also to derail: Is it Classic Comrade who is the sunscreen advocate? I'm trying to get my girlfriend to wear it, but she's kinda a hippie and CHEMICALS! Any suggestions for well made sunscreen? no that is YOU A loving HAT!
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 14:44 |
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Also oh my god Bill Moyers started doing new Moyers & Company interviews a couple weeks ago
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# ? Apr 29, 2016 14:44 |
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This is what I'm talking about, a puff piece from The Hill on Cory Booker, who is progressive because...? If he were a white guy it probably wouldn't matter that he's a Wall Street rear end in a top hat and may be a charter school cheerleader too. This is how identity politics can be weaponized against progressives. https://twitter.com/TheBpDShow/status/726042911935188992
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Fast Luck posted:There's definitely an issue that exists when there's a clearly more left-wing candidate (Bernie) with a superior record to Hillary's who's had his supporters smacked with the label "Bernie Bro" and called "white men" all campaign long, when Hillary says things like "if you break up the big banks, would that end racism," when people considering not voting for Hillary are accused of "privilege," and on down the line. They did it in the UK too, calling Jeremy Corbyn a "brocialist." It's incredibly unfortunate that cynical people would leverage the identity-based movement against the economic left wing, but I don't think any of us could have missed that it's happened, and on a massive scale. Look, corporations aren't bad, they're good, just check out the beautiful brand logos! https://www.buzzfeed.com/jarrylee/beautiful-rainbow-brand-logos-celebrating-marriage-equality yeah it's very sad how centrists (and right-wing ppl, on the opposite end) use identity politics to manipulate people. most 'economic progressives' embrace identity politic issues too, so what do you think would be a good way to counteract the whole "using identity politics to obfuscate" issue?
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