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Droogie posted:The way it stands at this very moment, the person or persons responsible for the deaths of 11 women, one of whom was pregnant, could either dead, imprisoned; or the person that some have come to know as The West Mesa Bone Collector could have another stash of women in shallow graves on the vast expanse of the west mesa.  quote:The West Mesa Bone Collector could be standing outside at night, looking over this very city, the moon rising above the Sandia Mountains to illuminate the lonely desert below. 
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Droogie, I'm planning a trip out to the desert, mostly for stargazing purposes, either this summer or fall. I owe you a beer.
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that was a wonderful write up droogie, thankyou!
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Thank you droogie, a great read.
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Droogie posted:Thus concludes, for now, the case of the West Mesa Murders. There really is nothing worse to imagine than something bad happening to a pregnant woman
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) I really tried to stay away from details gathered from places like websleuths et al. unless it was something corroborated elsewhere, but I just made an effort to stay away from that altogether.
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Thanks for the great write up and helping keep the thread on track, Droogie. If I'm ever in the area I'll try to remember to get you a beer. 
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Droogie, that was amazing. I had no idea of a lot of this.
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Fantastic write up. 
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That was glorious writing, Droogie. If there's still an independent newspaper near you, you might try pitching this as a story or essay, or sending it to a Southwestern magazine, literary or otherwise.
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I'm only going to echo what everyone else is saying, Droogie. Your writing style is absolutely riveting.
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Nth Doctor posted:I'm only going to echo what everyone else is saying, Droogie. Your writing style is absolutely riveting.
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You suck, Droogie. Your writing is awful. Okay that's not true. It's amazing. I'm still making my way through it but it's completely riveting. Just wanted to be the inevitable dissenting SA voice.
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Droogie that was quality. You could work for Vice, The Atlantic, etc. You're good at this.
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Truly thank you to everyone for the compliments and for following along. To be honest, this is the most I've every posted in like 12 years of reading the forums outside of SASS every year. I tend to consider myself an unsuccessful artist more than a writer, but I may find something to write about in the future. I've just had a lot of time to myself to write and research, but I'll be mercifully spending my last night on graveyard shift tonight.
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You'll have a third beer from me, Droogie. Very nice work.
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Droogie posted:
No Droogie, Thank you. (Because it hasn't been said recently)
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Arsenic Lupin posted:That was glorious writing, Droogie. If there's still an independent newspaper near you, you might try pitching this as a story or essay, or sending it to a Southwestern magazine, literary or otherwise. Ditto. This is a good write up, Droogie, very compelling reading, lots of great local detail you don't get reading newspaper articles or Wikipedia, just great and well written. And as a constant thread reader/lurker, I'd like to thank Droogie and everybody who has done long stories for the thread. Even if you aren't getting a lot of thanks for your writing every time you update, the lurkers are reading and appreciating your posts (and I know I'm reluctant to clutter up the thread with posts that are nothing but "Thanks, this is great, I want more!" because other readers might not like that.) I check this thread everyday and love finding something new from any of the long posters. Thanks, guys, and keep 'em coming!
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Filox posted:Ditto. This is a good write up, Droogie, very compelling reading, lots of great local detail you don't get reading newspaper articles or Wikipedia, just great and well written. This times a million. This longform was a thank you to everyone that has put in effort and made me so interested in all these pieces. Too weird to bring back things from a hundred pages back or more, but this is my thanks. There are some very talented storytellers here and I truly admire the writing here, and I wrote this out because I've been so inspired by you all. I'll be back to lurking in no time. I hope I come across something else I can do justice at some point.
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Sad and chilling story, beautifully presented. Thoogie.
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Droogie you should write a book about this. You have a talent for writing about this sort of barbarity.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Droogie you should write a book about this. You have a talent for writing about this sort of barbarity. And a drive to do your own research.
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I've been away for a while and spent more hours than I should have catching up on the thread. Thanks a lot to Droogie for a great write up. You really hit the right tone and balance of info. Would like to read more like this. On Dyatlov Pass, I couldn't find a link (if there was one) hyperlinked to the book title. There are three currently available factual books in English, so please let us know which one you mean. I started a DP thread because I didn't want to bore people in this thread but the thread died.  I guess it is somewhere in the archives.
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Droogie, I've only just now started reading your posts, but I already have to chime in and tell you that you really have a knack for this type of writing. As others have said, you've got a drive to do your own research, an obvious interest in the topic and the literary flair to pull it off. If you really enjoy it as much as you seem to, you should seriously consider looking into getting your writings published one way or another, because with a bit of editing here and there it's definitely good enough. Keep it up.
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Droogie, you mentioned being Native- I'm curious, was there a media disconnect similar to the Canadian Highway of Tears murders? Where local/Native news sources might have been like, "holy poo poo, we've got a serial killer," but because the victims were nonwhite the mainstream media didn't really give a poo poo?
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:On Dyatlov Pass, I couldn't find a link (if there was one) hyperlinked to the book title. There are three currently available factual books in English, so please let us know which one you mean. I started a DP thread because I didn't want to bore people in this thread but the thread died. Sorry, here's a link. http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Mountain-Untold-Dyatlov-Incident/dp/1452112746 My wife got it for me a couple years ago. It's an excellent read, and the takeaway from the narrative is that they literally picked the worst possible place to set up camp, and a perfect storm of placement and well, storm, ensued. RNG posted:Droogie, you mentioned being Native- I'm curious, was there a media disconnect similar to the Canadian Highway of Tears murders? Where local/Native news sources might have been like, "holy poo poo, we've got a serial killer," but because the victims were nonwhite the mainstream media didn't really give a poo poo? There really was a sense of panic in the air and media. Look at the Colorado suspect, Kimball. He's considered a serial killer with 4 deaths, three recovered bodies. As soon as the third or fourth body was recovered here, the media and locals started saying, "Hey, this is some serious serial killer poo poo of there are multiple bodies." The police stayed quiet for months and when pressed about it, they would frequently shrug and release a statement that would say something like "It's just too early to say the serial killer words, guys!" Later as more and more bodies were recovered, the police were saying poo poo like "He look here, fellas, these bodies have been here for a while now, so we're not concerned that there's a serial killer on the loose, look how long it took us to find this!" To this day APD doesn't like to ever mention serial killer, instead opting for "open murder investigation(s)" and the ilk. Droogie has a new favorite as of 00:06 on Apr 30, 2016 |
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Droogie posted:http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Mountain-Untold-Dyatlov-Incident/dp/1452112746 Indeed it is a good book. However, those interested should also read the Lobatchev book. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Dyatlov-Pass-Keeps-Its-Secret-ebook/dp/B00EW7DKJU Ignore the cover, it is quite a sensible book. It also has a lot of translations of the original investigation and provides data that Eicher doesn't have. There is a third book, which I haven't read but am told is not that good. E: Here is a review of the Eichar book: http://www.spiked-online.com/review_of_books/article/dyatlov-pass-a-chilling-mystery-solved/16853#.VyPttvldU5k Josef K. Sourdust has a new favorite as of 00:27 on Apr 30, 2016 |
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Droogie posted:This times a million. This longform was a thank you to everyone that has put in effort and made me so interested in all these pieces. Too weird to bring back things from a hundred pages back or more, but this is my thanks. There are some very talented storytellers here and I truly admire the writing here, and I wrote this out because I've been so inspired by you all. I'll be back to lurking in no time. I hope I come across something else I can do justice at some point. Fantastic writing and a worthy tribute. Write again if you're inspired, you've got a real talent. This might be a good time to remind Kermit we're still waiting for our Ghost Planes story. You promised 
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The saddest thing is that there's only 1 guy working that case now. So often there's a flood at the start, and then just 1 detective working it on his free time as the years pass, trying to give some justice.  drat good work Droogie, drat good work.
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I swear, it's a miracle APD gets anything done right. The police department in the town of 10k people I grew up in probably has a better solve rate on murders. I've lived here for six years and I love it but there's a reason I never bother calling in probable gunshots. I live on the far east end of the East Central Corridor and there's honestly no point because nobody will find anything if I do report it. Droogie, your job and my volunteer life slightly overlap. If we ever meet we can talk about dealings with feral cats as well as creepy poo poo.
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Wait what value does Blea's ability to appeal even have? I mean he's obviously never ever going to successfully appeal, right? Is it just that sliver of hope no matter how crazy unlikely that he possibly wouldn't want to let go of? Could it be that the killer is...YOU DROOGIE Dunn dunnnn dunnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Just kiddin. Thanks for the desert spooks. Hope your dog wounds feel better.
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LivesInGrey posted:I swear, it's a miracle APD gets anything done right. The police department in the town of 10k people I grew up in probably has a better solve rate on murders. I've lived here for six years and I love it but there's a reason I never bother calling in probable gunshots. I live on the far east end of the East Central Corridor and there's honestly no point because nobody will find anything if I do report it. And I was going to say, it's not like anyone expects a whole fuckload of competence from APD at this point.
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Thanks so much Droogie. Echoing, yet again the kudos for your writing style. You really should consider it more, as you're very good. It's not a gift everyone has.
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The boat of those kids who disappeared off the coast of Florida has been found (again). Perry Cohen and Austin Stephanos, both 14, took a small fishing boat out on July 24th, 2015 and were never seen again. The search for them made national news last year and the Coast Guard shortly found their boat but not the kids. Then a storm hit before the boat was recovered and it vanished again. This week, the boat was located near Bermuda by a Norwegian freighter. It was heavily damaged but they were able to find Austin's iPhone inside.    Apple has agreed to help the family try to recover data off the phone but investigators also announced that Snapchat records say that Austin sent a final message to friends: quote:"we're f'd." Why send that message? Engine trouble? Bad weather? Lost? Some of their family think it could be kidnapping... quote:The FBI's involvement began in September, when Austin's stepfather, Nick Korniloff, contacted the FBI and a Fish and Wildlife Commission criminal investigator saying he believed the boys were abducted, according to the file. quote:The dinghy's battery and its ignition were both turned off — but they are in a “very difficult-to-get-to” spot in the boat and couldn't be maneuvered by wind, currents or other natural forces, Rubin said, suggesting someone intentionally switched them off. The simple answer would be that they were somehow washed overboard and a pilot who just came forward backs that up. He says he thinks he saw one of the boys floating off the coast of Georgia. quote:Bobby Smith says he thinks he spotted one of the boys just to the east of St. Marys, Ga., two days after they went missing. Here is the photo:  It is hard to tell anything from the photo, but it is something even if it couldn't be located later. For now there are no hard answers and the parents of Austin and Perry continue to hope. quote:Before the boat capsized, Cohen sent a “love you” text message to his mom — but the message cut off before he could say where he was.
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TheFallenEvincar posted:Wait what value does Blea's ability to appeal even have? I mean he's obviously never ever going to successfully appeal, right? Is it just that sliver of hope no matter how crazy unlikely that he possibly wouldn't want to let go of? I put in there with the thought that most killers are pretty proud of their work. Kimball, who will likely die in Colorado prison says he has no connection, and I sort of believe him. Blea has the possibility of losing everything by admitting anything to do with the case. Imagine that you had the slim chance of parole for being a god drat monster, I doubt you'd want to boast that you had committed a busload of murders not pinned on anyone yet. LivesinGrey posted:Droogie, your job and my volunteer life slightly overlap. If we ever meet we can talk about dealings with feral cats as well as creepy poo poo. You work in the TNR circles? that's crazy!
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I moved from Kansas to Carlsbad, NM in November for a job and I'm looking forward to learning more about the weird, creepy mysteries of my new home. Thanks goons for the interesting posts. P.s. I work outdoors in the Chihuahuan desert
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Erethizon_dorsatum posted:I moved from Kansas to Carlsbad, NM in November for a job and I'm looking forward to learning more about the weird, creepy mysteries of my new home. Thanks goons for the interesting posts. Are you a "heat studier" or something?
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I'm a biologist for an environmental consulting company. We make sure the oil and gas companies down here don't impact any endangered species, map drainages, etc.
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Erethizon_dorsatum posted:P.s. I work outdoors in the Chihuahuan desert The best advice I can give you is bring a second shirt to work and then you can change on your lunch break!
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