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Atomizer posted:Skull Canyon NUCs are available to preorder on Newegg again gogogo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856102166 I don't know... it's got skulls on it. Atomizer, are we the baddies?
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Paul MaudDib posted:I don't know... it's got skulls on it. IIRC, it comes with an extra plate to replace the skull logo if you don't like it.
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:IIRC, it comes with an extra plate to replace the skull logo if you don't like it.    There's no loving way I'm spending this much money on a tiny unnecessary PC and not using the skull cover! 
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Atomizer posted:
I showed my GF the mini-PC and she agreed exactly with that sentiment.
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Good thing they never made a product with an even more evil and off-putting name, such as Devil's Canyon!
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SpelledBackwards posted:Good thing they never made a product with an even more evil and off-putting name, such as Devil's Canyon! Or Skulltrail.
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Umm... Baddie checking in to say I will most definitely be going with the skull lid. Although I am curious about the "support for 3rd party lids" that is mentioned in the adds for it. It seems like an odd thing to mention if they didn't have something lined up already.
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nostrata posted:Umm... Baddie checking in to say I will most definitely be going with the skull lid. Although I am curious about the "support for 3rd party lids" that is mentioned in the adds for it. It seems like an odd thing to mention if they didn't have something lined up already. Eh, I think it'd be weird if there was an aftermarket for covers for a single, high-priced NUC. Unless of course this is the form factor they're moving forward with. Even then, I think the "support" just refers to the fact that it's easy to change covers, so if anyone bothers to make them it's a simple swap.
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All of the NUCs have had replaceable lids for last coulpe generations. Intel just releases the 3d printer files that people can download and use as they wish. I imagine they'll probably add the Skull Trail NUC files closer to release.
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That sucks, I was looking forward to mini-PCs (eg the ECS Liva series) featuring those processors. The high-end Cherrytrail would have been pretty fantastic for that. I have a couple mini-PCs based on Baytrail-M and they are fantastic for Ubuntu Server use. Built-in eMMC, wifi, USB 3.0, GigE, a GPU that will drive 4K@30hz, etc. They are basically a Raspberry Pi done properly. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Apr 30, 2016 |
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Been running a small home server using bay trail (J1800) for the past 2 years here, too. Great value for money and tiny power consumption. Disappointing news. I guess (hope) something will come along and fill the gap for when I feel like an upgrade. Not that I feel the need yet: it's probably the best electronic hardware I've ever bought, and I've wasted a fair bit of money over the past x years.
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Well it sounds like they aren't killing all of Atom, so maybe they show up in NUC.bis applications? I prefer to be hopeful. Also glad that I don't have to worry about x86 on Android.
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Apollo Lake is the next generation low-power x86 architecture, so there's still that for ultra-SFF devices and whatnot. Wonder what's going to happen to Avoton, though 
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Tab8715 posted:Isn't this what's in Microsoft phones? Nah, Snapdragons in their recent Lumia stuff: https://www.microsoft.com/en/mobile/phone/lumia950-xl/specifications/
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I think Tab8715 is referring to a phone that only made it to the rumor phase: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3063672/windows/the-death-of-intels-atom-casts-a-dark-shadow-over-the-rumored-surface-phone.html
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It sounds like they are specifically killing pushing for phones. x86 Windows tablets still sell, especially at the low end, and that hardware would work for Android too. Just a bit more power hungry.
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feedmegin posted:It sounds like they are specifically killing pushing for phones. x86 Windows tablets still sell, especially at the low end, and that hardware would work for Android too. Just a bit more power hungry. The article sounds like they are ignoring the low end garbage tablets (like the ones that used to contra revenue) and focusing on hybrids and 2-1s which have nice margins. Basically forget about that $100 ASUS tablet, go buy a nice Surface Pro
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The strategy for countering ARM was always twofold: one the one hand growing the core processors down, by making them more energy efficient, and on the other hand growing atom up by making it more powerful. They have been pretty successful in the first part, and probably feel that they can cover the tablet/hybrid range without atom. That leaves atom for phones, which does indeed seem a lost battle. So they are just giving up on the second part of the strategy.
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WhyteRyce posted:The article sounds like they are ignoring the low end garbage tablets (like the ones that used to contra revenue) and focusing on hybrids and 2-1s which have nice margins. Basically forget about that $100 ASUS tablet, go buy a nice Surface Pro
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Atomizer posted:Nah, Snapdragons in their recent Lumia stuff: https://www.microsoft.com/en/mobile/phone/lumia950-xl/specifications/ But it does hurt the prospect of an x86-powered Surface phone and supports the recent rumors that the Surface phone will be powered by a Snapdragon 830 instead.
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Yeah it looks like my dream of a x86 phone will never happen. I guess at this point with the windows mobile failure it doesn't matter so much.
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You can already get an Asus Zenphone right now. Somebody just needs to make it run the desktop Win10 so that continuum is actually useful.
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mobby_6kl posted:You can already get an Asus Zenphone right now. Somebody just needs to make it run the desktop Win10 so that continuum is actually useful. Huh, I somehow missed that phone entirely. Still, yeah it has to run desktop windows 10. :/
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redeyes posted:Huh, I somehow missed that phone entirely. Still, yeah it has to run desktop windows 10. :/ The Lumia 950 will give you a real Windows 10 desktop in Continuum. If by "desktop Windows 10" you want something that can run Win32 apps or whatever, though, that was never going to happen, even on some hypothetical Atom-powered Surface Phone. Microsoft's "Windows everywhere" strategy means that you get a similar kernel and set of base APIs everywhere, not that you'll be able to boot up Word 97 and Quake 3 on your HoloLens and phone. The kernel and CPU architecture are only two small parts of a huge backwards-compatibility stack that they were never going to develop. See also: all the people who got so mad when Windows on the Raspberry Pi turned out to be exactly the IoT-focused platform MSFT had advertised, rather than a complete desktop system.
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x86 on the phone lost a bunch of steam once Flash died. Seriously, back when Intel was pushing MIDs the "full" internet was the only counter whenever someone brought up the iPhone
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Rastor posted:I think Tab8715 is referring to a phone that only made it to the rumor phase: He said "what's in" their phones, which would imply existing models rather than rumors. The Lumias are the MS phones that came to mind. Edward IV posted:But it does hurt the prospect of an x86-powered Surface phone and supports the recent rumors that the Surface phone will be powered by a Snapdragon 830 instead. I wasn't addressing that though. If anything I think it's a little odd that Asus went with the Atoms in the aforementioned Zenfones and MS never even tried when it certainly could have.
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mobby_6kl posted:You can already get an Asus Zenphone right now. Somebody just needs to make it run the desktop Win10 so that continuum is actually useful. Someone kind of already has. That is if your idea of running full Windows on a phone involves running Windows via hardware virtualization running on Linux which is running alongside Android. http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299 Atomizer posted:I wasn't addressing that though. If anything I think it's a little odd that Asus went with the Atoms in the aforementioned Zenfones and MS never even tried when it certainly could have. Android is already capable of running natively on x86 processors while Windows Phone has always strictly been designed for Qualcomm chips. So Asus had a lot less work than Microsoft to make Intel-powered phones. With Windows 10 Mobile, it is now, supposedly, capable of running on x86 chips. I say supposedly because it looks like Microsoft recently removed x86 SoCs from the list of supported processors for Phones. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn915086(v=vs.85).aspx (See Table 2) http://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-confirms-required-specifications-windows-10-mobile (Copy of original table)
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If I'm looking to boost my CPU from an i5-4670k, I see that pricing, the i7 haswell and i7 skylake are basically the same. Benchmarks seem to show they're generally the samish too, is the skylake really not worth getting? The skylake would require a new mobo as well as I'm running an H97 plus atm, but I've got to get a mobo for my parents pc in 12-18 months regardless, so that's not much of an issue.
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Skylake's biggest advances over Haswell frankly were not in the performance department, but in the features and chipset. What is it that you feel the urge to boost your CPU for, anyhow?
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:If I'm looking to boost my CPU from an i5-4670k, I see that pricing, the i7 haswell and i7 skylake are basically the same. Benchmarks seem to show they're generally the samish too, is the skylake really not worth getting? Skylake is the usual <5% IPC improvement generation-on-generation that we've been getting lately. For most applications that means a one-generation gain is indistinguishable outside of benchmarks. Of course going from 4-core to a 4-core hyperthreaded processor will get you some noticeable gains. If you're using a K-series processor you should consider getting a motherboard with a Z-series chipset so you can overclock it. Skylake would also require new DDR4 memory - DDR3 isn't technically compatible, it may work or the extra voltage may damage the memory controller. The other thing is that the 5820K is typically priced the same as a 4790K nowadays. They don't overclock quite as well but they still go quite far, and you get 6C 12T instead of 4C 8T.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Skylake would also require new DDR4 memory - DDR3 isn't Paul MaudDib posted:The other thing is that the 5820K is typically priced the same as a 4790K nowadays. They don't overclock quite as well but they still go quite far, and you get 6C 12T instead of 4C 8T.
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DrDork posted:If you are looking for anything other than the absolute best single-thread performance, this 5820k is a hell of a buy. Almost all of them can easily hit 4.5Ghz, which ain't far off from the 4.7Ghz you can expect to hit with a 6700k, and as Paul noted, more cores and almost double the cache (15MB vs 8MB). X99 motherboards are a bit on the expensive side, but you can get used ones for about the same price as a reasonably featured Skylake board--there just aren't any <$100 budget X99 boards. Draws a good bit more power, though, so I hope your heatsink is up to the task. There are DDR3L Skylake motherboards though, and my understanding is that the notch pattern is the same as DDR3. However it's intended to run at 1.35V like DDR4, and while you can physically insert it Skylake's memory controller isn't meant to handle 1.5V and may burn out. Some people have tried it and said it works but I don't trust the longevity of overvolting a memory controller like that, and if it burns out your CPU will be dead since it's on the processor in Skylake. The other thing about Haswell-E is that even the 5820K gets you up to 28 PCIe lanes (the 5930K and 5960X are a full 40 lanes), while Haswell is limited to 16 and Skylake is limited to 16+4 (I think it has 4 extra through the PCH for M.2). If you SLI each card needs 8 lanes, so with Haswell/Skylake you are instantly full on PCIe lanes, whereas Haswell-E has some extra slack there. On the downside it's an older chipset that doesn't have niceties like USB 3.1 or Thunderbolt, so you'll be using some lanes for addon cards if you want those. X99 motherboards do periodically go on sale. A month or so ago you could get a Gigabyte GA-X99-SLI for like $135 AR bundled with a USB 3.1 addon board and a code for MMO stuff you could sell. That's not too bad in my book. Keep an eye on PcPartsPicker. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 17:14 on May 1, 2016 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:There are DDR3L Skylake motherboards though, and my understanding is that the notch pattern is the same as DDR3. Yeah, overall the 5820k is a wonderful chip and a great option for anyone who is considering higher-end setups. The new Broadwell-E chips that should be coming out soon should also be compatible (after BIOS update) with existing X99 boards, so if anything that should push the prices down even more.
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DrDork posted:You are correct, but if you're already buying a $300+ CPU and a $150+ motherboard, trying to skimp on $50 of RAM seems silly, regardless of potential longevity issues. Okay, I really haven't done any CPU research in a long time, and google really isn't helping that much, but why is the 5820k better than a 6700k? 3.3ghz vs 4? A new mobo is required for both, it's $50 of ram for DDR4 for the skylake setup?
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:Okay, I really haven't done any CPU research in a long time, and google really isn't helping that much, but why is the 5820k better than a 6700k? 3.3ghz vs 4? 1st_Panzer_Div. posted:A new mobo is required for both, it's $50 of ram for DDR4 for the skylake setup?
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