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does any champ stand out as coming out worse as a result of the mage rework instead of better?
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May 2, 2016 18:04
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rabidsquid posted:That's actually the situation where most of that doesn't apply because a lot of mage supports do have kill pressure. Hi it's me velkoz support, don't mind me just going to boop boop boop blurrggh =T=R=U=E=D=A=M=A=G=E=>>>
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May 2, 2016 18:07
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Kashuno posted:does any champ stand out as coming out worse as a result of the mage rework instead of better? I've heard complaints about Cass but I don't know how much weight they have.
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May 2, 2016 18:09
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Kashuno posted:does any champ stand out as coming out worse as a result of the mage rework instead of better? based on the pbe results annie, viktor, and syndra are all worse now barring people figuring out some kind of interesting build or having the meta suit them
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May 2, 2016 18:10
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Morgana also shuts down the CC from a lot of those reworked mages, which are gonna be very popular.  I honestly haven't felt much of a desire to play for the last couple months. This season just hasn't been any fun, I'm hoping the mage update will help a bit.
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May 2, 2016 18:10
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Sexpansion posted:Yeah I agree with this advice. It's hard to do because your team is often making incredibly dumb, inefficient decisions, but if you just hang out with them and fight at the teamfight it's much better than putting a bit of pressure on an offlane while you whole team gets wiped. Being stuck in Bronze and Silver, I can guarantee that this is unequivocally correct. I'm loving terrible at this game, but one thing I've learned is that Bronze/Silver will not wait for a fight when you are gone. You can literally type, "Clearing bot then coming to team, please don't fight for 15 secs," and your Bronze team will initiate a 4v5 under the opposing team's tower. Same applies to taking a dragon, split pushing, taking a buff, or literally anything. The best enlightenment I've come to with respect to Bronze/Silver is this: none of your teammates are thinking of you at all. In their minds, this is a solo game. Much like the advice that in life in general, we think that others are thinking about us far more than we are, in low tier League of Legends, we are wrong if we believe our teammates are ever factoring us into their decision making process. If you are gone, they will not notice that. They will fight wherever they happen to be, no matter what the circumstances. They will only notice you are gone after getting wiped, as they have time to figure out why it was not their fault while the death timer counts down.
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May 2, 2016 18:11
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New trailer for Taliyah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1nRIX-qvbo coming to kill Azir
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May 2, 2016 18:12
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SlyFrog posted:The best enlightenment I've come to with respect to Bronze/Silver is this: none of your teammates are thinking of you at all. I think the best enlightenment you could come to would be to realize that this is your mindset.
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May 2, 2016 18:15
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Kashuno posted:New trailer for Taliyah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1nRIX-qvbo coming to kill Azir Ah, I see the new Avatar is an Earthbender.
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May 2, 2016 18:17
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Can't wait for next April Fools or whatever and the Urfbender skin.
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May 2, 2016 18:18
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slydingdoor posted:Can't wait for next April Fools or whatever and the Urfbender skin. If this doesn't come out I will be disappointed
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May 2, 2016 18:19
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Kashuno posted:New trailer for Taliyah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1nRIX-qvbo coming to kill Azir I hope she kicks azir's rear end so hard that he gets deleted from the game.
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May 2, 2016 18:19
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She will come out before the next rotation of ascension
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May 2, 2016 18:20
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Kashuno posted:does any champ stand out as coming out worse as a result of the mage rework instead of better? Viktor looks substantially worse
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May 2, 2016 18:21
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Firebert posted:Viktor looks substantially worse Viktor is just a sad, sad champion. Everything about him just sucks
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May 2, 2016 18:52
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where's mah water bender?
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May 2, 2016 19:01
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I'm convinced there will be a "bruiser" Viktor build that will see a lot of success but everyone will despise both playing and playing into it.
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May 2, 2016 19:01
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Man that video makes it seem like Azir is a badguy. How's a majestic birdman that turned a giant pile of lovely ruins and sand into a mega sandcastle evil? What's not to like?
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May 2, 2016 19:02
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Servaetes posted:Man that video makes it seem like Azir is a badguy. How's a majestic birdman that turned a giant pile of lovely ruins and sand into a mega sandcastle evil? What's not to like? i think the lore implied he was going to make everyone that lived in Shurima his slaves, and Rock Girl is worried about her family
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May 2, 2016 19:04
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Servaetes posted:Man that video makes it seem like Azir is a badguy. How's a majestic birdman that turned a giant pile of lovely ruins and sand into a mega sandcastle evil? What's not to like? wow i bet you sympathise with the pharoahs of egypt too, huh? fascist.
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May 2, 2016 19:11
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a medical mystery posted:I'm convinced there will be a "bruiser" Viktor build that will see a lot of success but everyone will despise both playing and playing into it. On the PBE a 500+ AP Viktor Q didn't kill a level 16 Miss Fortune bot, and the burst damage after the laser couldn't even hit her at mid 300s speed as she ran away. In order to be a bruiser you have to be able to deal damage somehow.
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May 2, 2016 19:12
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Prokhor posted:I think the best enlightenment you could come to would be to realize that this is your mindset. No, it's theirs.
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May 2, 2016 19:16
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Libertine posted:I've had more success playing Morgana support this season than just about any other pick and she's going to be way stronger with the mage itemization rework. You'll finally be able to pick up CDR from Abyssal and Zhonya's which are two of her best items. I played a lot of Morgana mid this season and am not really that thrilled about the itemization rework. RoA, Abyssal, and Zhonyas were/are really good items on her, and those items are losing a ton of AP between them. FCQ/CDR boots/CDR blues gave you 35% before anyways, so while it will be kind of nice to be able to run some MR in blues again, she's such a strong and safe laner that it's hard to imagine anything being better than CDR. Maybe you can get away without a mana regen item at all now, which might be nice ... but FCQ was such a good item on her and the OP passive gold will be severely missed.  Firebert posted:Viktor looks substantially worse Viktor is close to the worst midlaner in the game right now already. blah_blah fucked around with this message at 19:25 on May 2, 2016 |
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May 2, 2016 19:23
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seizure later posted:wow i bet you sympathise with the pharoahs of egypt too, huh? fascist. this dumb rear end actually believes anti shuriman propaganda made by demacians looking to protect their interests in the oil industry
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May 2, 2016 19:24
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blah_blah posted:Viktor is close to the worst midlaner in the game right now already. Yeah, but now in addition to having some really brutal matchups he scales like garbage too!
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May 2, 2016 19:30
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does anyone have that video of the viktor rework where the guy tries to kill a bot with the laser and it just looks really useless. that poo poo was funny
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May 2, 2016 19:33
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pog boyfriend posted:this dumb rear end actually believes anti shuriman propaganda made by demacians looking to protect their interests in the oil industry i believe in the free state of Ionia and that its ideals should be replicated to all nations. don't lump me in with those capitalists.
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May 2, 2016 19:33
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Elentor posted:I know you guys hate Thorin overall but this is a pretty good video and a good reference: The problem with being in Bronze or Silver is that you have to grind way harder than you do at a higher elo to rank up, because often times your team will drag you down and waste your time. Yeah if you play consistently above your elo, you'll rank up, but the time you need to invest and the sheer number of games you need to play to balance out all the horrible teammates you're going to have just makes it feel like dog poo poo. This is something that having just a plain elo number never had a problem with back in season 1 and 2. Yeah maybe it feels good to rank up, but when you're actively stuck in a tier/division or whatever or get demoted you feel like poo poo and just want to give up. Even if you're Diamond playing with Silvers, you're not going to get any kind of meaningful enjoyment out of grinding the 100 games needed to get to where you should be. All the bronze or silver people in the thread, I can understand why they stay there. Grinding those games out is incredibly unfun. I got my main to Diamond like 2 months ago and I have no real urge to keep going up since I don't have anyone I can dynamic queue with. I play ranked on my smurf which is in Gold and it just feels so loving pointless trying to grind and tryhard at that elo since your team is so brain dead that you can't expect them to not throw a lead.
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May 2, 2016 19:34
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Lovechop posted:does anyone have that video of the viktor rework where the guy tries to kill a bot with the laser and it just looks really useless. that poo poo was funny nvm i found it lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al-NV58KHiY
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May 2, 2016 19:35
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Lovechop posted:does anyone have that video of the viktor rework where the guy tries to kill a bot with the laser and it just looks really useless. that poo poo was funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al-NV58KHiY e:drat
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May 2, 2016 19:35
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It's really disappointing to hear that so many mages are worse off with the itemization changes. I main mid and I've already felt like these last couple patches, with the influx of multiple high-damage tanks with easy engages on each team who can easily gently caress you up, haven't been great for most popular mage midlaners. There's nothing worse than throwing out your full spell combo rotation and barely doing ~20% to some guy with a single MR item. I had been doing ok with Malzahar at least, and it sounds like he's still going to be great, so I look forward to him being banned every single game.
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May 2, 2016 19:41
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that video was revision 1 on the viktor changes, hes been tweaked a lot since then (the new laser moves faster than live but the explosion is slower than live, faster than the video iirc)
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May 2, 2016 19:43
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Servaetes posted:Man that video makes it seem like Azir is a badguy. How's a majestic birdman that turned a giant pile of lovely ruins and sand into a mega sandcastle evil? What's not to like? Agreed. Also Azir is a really fun champ and I hope they don't completely ruin him via Rework.
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May 2, 2016 19:44
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blah_blah posted:I played a lot of Morgana mid this season and am not really that thrilled about the itemization rework. RoA, Abyssal, and Zhonyas were/are really good items on her, and those items are losing a ton of AP between them. FCQ/CDR boots/CDR blues gave you 35% before anyways, so while it will be kind of nice to be able to run some MR in blues again, she's such a strong and safe laner that it's hard to imagine anything being better than CDR. Maybe you can get away without a mana regen item at all now, which might be nice ... but FCQ was such a good item on her and the OP passive gold will be severely missed. I tend to play her as a support and build AD Reds, AP Blues and heavily harass pre-six. I get the AP Sightstone (10%), Lucidity Boots (10%) and usually a Banner of Command and either a Mikael's Crucible or a Zeke's Harbinger (10 and 10%). With those other items (Abyssal and Zhonya's) rebalanced as things that can be slot into that 10% 4-item support core, I can see a lot more games where I would get those two instead of a Banner/Crucible. There are other options as well. Having a lot of options for the game situation is good IMO, having more choices at the 10% CDR item threshold for supports will be good overall.
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May 2, 2016 19:47
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Aerox posted:It's really disappointing to hear that so many mages are worse off with the itemization changes. I main mid and I've already felt like these last couple patches, with the influx of multiple high-damage tanks with easy engages on each team who can easily gently caress you up, haven't been great for most popular mage midlaners. There's nothing worse than throwing out your full spell combo rotation and barely doing ~20% to some guy with a single MR item. It really looks like this rework will split the mages into two groups. Champions that can abuse the surprisingly good base damage + AP ratios on the Hextech items to add a 5th spell to their rotation, and those who get nerfed.
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May 2, 2016 19:54
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Gibberish posted:The problem with being in Bronze or Silver is that you have to grind way harder than you do at a higher elo to rank up, because often times your team will drag you down and waste your time. Yeah if you play consistently above your elo, you'll rank up, but the time you need to invest and the sheer number of games you need to play to balance out all the horrible teammates you're going to have just makes it feel like dog poo poo. for every skill level there's going to be someone slightly better who drags themselves down with their lovely attitude or poor decisions, i am only in silver but i am skeptical that this phenomenon goes away as you rank up
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May 2, 2016 20:00
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golden bubble posted:It really looks like this rework will split the mages into two groups. Champions that can abuse the surprisingly good base damage + AP ratios on the Hextech items to add a 5th spell to their rotation, and those who get nerfed. I agree with this, and barring some early overtuning (looks like Vel and Brand may be in that group) I think the biggest benefactors of the patch will be AP assassins that can abuse the new items.
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May 2, 2016 20:00
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Radical posted:i laned against a plat teemo only guy yesterday who did the mallet build on him. i was playing trundle and it seemed pretty awful and i killed him a bunch. Picking Teemo into Trundle is probably the best way to ensure you lose lane. If you don't force cooldowns and get a huge upper hand before level 2-3, it's lost. So far I've really dominated a Nasus with this build, and won lane enough to contribute to the wins against a bunch of others. The hardest matchups would be champions like Trundle, Xin, Jarvan and other champions with an easy gapcloser or way to keep you in place.
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May 2, 2016 20:15
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i still keep coming back to CDR on zhonyas/abyssal as the Biggest Deal out of all the mage-related changes, that's a buff to a lot of ap assassins and bruisers moreso than the mages
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May 2, 2016 20:16
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Tales of Woe posted:for every skill level there's going to be someone slightly better who drags themselves down with their lovely attitude or poor decisions, i am only in silver but i am skeptical that this phenomenon goes away as you rank up Of course it still exists, but in general once you get to mid-ish Platinum you'll probably find that people know how to close out games more often than not. I'd say that the number of times a team in Gold throws is like 30% of the time. Diamond 5 it's like 1% of the time.
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