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Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax

LOVE LOVE SKELETON posted:

i just figured it was a phase some people had, violently rejecting toddler media. there's tweens on youtube now posting those seth mcfarlane template things about caillou getting beaten up.

Some of those people never grew out of that phase and that's why you have middle-aged men on the internet fuming about dumb kids with their participation trophies and their gay space rocks.

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CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



The last version of Microsoft Office that I really cared for was Office XP and the Mac version of Office from the same time period. Even at that time I vastly preferred the Mac Entourage to Windows Outlook, and really wished I could run Entourage on Windows. Since that time I have run OpenOffice or (more recently) LibreOffice out of preference far more than necessity.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬


Lesson learned. Do not praise The Ribbon in the computer/internet nostalgia thread :negative:

kilogram posted:

Tell me more! The front page of TINP is intriguing.

I'll do my best!

This Is Not Porn was a goddamn sensation 13 years ago when it first showed up. Forums and various IRC channels went nuts trying to solve it. Even a couple of forums emerged that were entirely dedicated to it. All of the forums I frequented had discussion/solution threads for it and, though I didn't post here at the time and don't know for certain, there was very likely a thread here on Something Awful about it too. Here's a thread in a forum that's been going on for ten goddamn years, for example.

First let me say that, judging from what I've been reading now that I've had six hourssome time to do some digging, this is a completely different riddle page than the one I encountered those years ago. Rumor has it that the modern one is not meant to be solved. The original frontpage can be found via archive.org: https://web.archive.org/web/20040623151101/http://www.thisisnotporn.com/, but the rest of the site does not seem to work properly. I'm not sure what I was thinking when I said the content of the current page looks familiar because now that I've seen the archived version the derelict oven in the field is absolutely what I remember. It's possible I checked the site in the recent past and saw its current incarnation.

Regardless, solving the pages usually went like this: What you see or hear on the pages are usually nonsense, but they do contain a clue somewhere that allows you to progress to the next page. Sometimes it's a pixel hunt, sometimes it's username/password info buried in the comments pages' source codes, and other times you have to go out of your way with hex-ASCII converters and other such tools. For example, the front page on http://thisisnotporn.com/ has the text:

Something Terrible Has Happened posted:

Madge Was Her Name.

Please Wait Here.

With some Vaudeville music overlaid with eerie whitenoise and the horrifying distorted cries of babies. The page's source (ctrl+u in Chrome) doesn't seem to contain much.

Usually something saying "Madge was her name" would be a dead giveaway hint that your next move is do something like type the URL "thisisnotporn.com/user=madge" or find a way to open a login dialog so you can enter it. Even if you're not certain, just typing things you can find into the address bar was often a good way to figure things out or get more hints. Because this page is likely designed to be a dead-end, it seems you can't get anywhere.

But what about that music? Well I can find a "tinp.mp3" in the page source and download it! Here's what it looks like when you poo poo it into a spectral analyzer:


Originally that would probably be used as a hint to get you moving. The puzzles were often really cryptic, but I don't recall them being full of red herrings. There was a difficult page early on involving a riddle about the Gordian Knot and that's really the only specific detail I can remember about it. I wish I could say more. I haven't revisited this in over ten years and we were never really that good at getting through it, so I forgot pretty much all but the domain name.

Unfortunately, right now it just seems like a bored person's art project. It's possible the candid photo blog linked on the front page is in on it, but it's pretty hard to say. It might end up being another dumb viral ARG if the author ever decides to get it off the ground :shrug:

As in the previous post, the closest way to get the experience right now is to check out notpron instead, which seems to still be intact just as it was back in August 2004 when it launched. Progressing through this one is less obtuse, but it tends to rely way more on pixelhunting for links and is far more liberal with hints than the site it attempted to copycat and thus is not as satisfying solve.

Mak0rz has a new favorite as of 06:55 on May 3, 2016

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


Geirskogul posted:

Along with solving the GIF mystery, reply all has you covered on this one, too.

I didn't even know that the fate of JennyCam had been bugging me a bit for all these years! Thanks for this.

axolotl farmer
May 17, 2007

Now I'm going to sing the Perry Mason theme

Speaking of old websites http://www.superbad.com is still up and serving javascript New Media art from 1997.

Kilo147
Apr 14, 2007

You remind me of the boss
What boss?
The boss with the power
What power?
The power of voodoo
Who-doo?
You do.
Do what?
Remind me of the Boss.

Anyone remember Bolo? Used to play the poo poo out of that on the old elementary school computers.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I played a lot of spin doctor.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

Naxuz posted:

I didn't even know that the fate of JennyCam had been bugging me a bit for all these years! Thanks for this.

If you like anything "internet," I really like ReplyAll. I'm not a shill for them, but have learned a lot from listening to them (and Last Podcast on the Left and Stuff You Should Know) while wrenching on my old ACVWs.

Sevalar
Jul 10, 2009

HEY RADICAL LARRY HOW ABOUT A HAIRCUT

****MIC TO THE WILLY***
Are theme changes even a thing on Windows 8/10? I heard there were some ground level changes to the OS that prevented this kind of thing. I still have a soft spot for the Win XP theme.

I've seen some theme edits, but they always botch something critical (Stupid buttons, back background colour choices etc)

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Fooma posted:

It's beautiful. I'm now hunting for low-res icons for Chrome and Recycle Bin to overlay in the application window.



So that's a screenshot of Windows 10 with the default Recycle Bin icon and then a shortcut I edited to use the icon from MWUNDEL.EXE from MS-DOS 6.22. I was able to just get Windows 7 32-bit to read the icons from MWUNDEL.EXE directly, but I guess since that file is 16-bit, 64-bit Windows 10 couldn't read the icon directly so I had to extract it into a separate file. You can download that file here. I did that by running Borland Resource Workshop on Windows 3.1. The Borland installers from the time looked like this:



Unlike just about all the other installers at the time which looked like this:



except often with just the progress window and no extra window showing off the new product features. Just a blue gradient, the name of the product, and a progress dialog.

Check out this great program I created in Visual Basic, it's :siren: 3D :siren:



Also gently caress Windows 10, it's not so slow when I start up the VM but then it starts doing god only knows what and it takes minutes just to open up file properties dialogs.

Edit: On an unrelated note, I found out that archive.org lets you get to Microsoft download links they removed, so here's the proper installer for Windows Installer 2.0 for Windows 9x/ME: https://web.archive.org/web/2011010...&displaylang=en

Buttcoin purse has a new favorite as of 11:24 on May 3, 2016

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012
win 10 is utter garbage sorry folks :(

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013

god bless america, bud uglly design is still online and updating. this wrecked me in '96

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-YIRS0lS-w

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

Kilo147 posted:

Anyone remember Bolo? Used to play the poo poo out of that on the old elementary school computers.

loving yes. :haw:
The Battle of Kursk ain't got nothing on the epic tank battles that were played out in our school computer lab.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli
Sacha Baron Cohen before he was Ali-G in one of the early viral videos designed speically for the web. This was for Lee Jeans with the "reveal" being a showdown with their creepy doll mascot on a TV commercial.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM6i8GBw7gA

Another I recall was "The Subservient Chicken" which was a site where you type in commands for a man in a chicken suit to perform and it really was advertising Burger King as the site was a literal play on the slogan "chicken as you like it".

stuffed crust punk
Oct 8, 2004

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I saw some article about that game Harvester and it seems to be the perfect time capsule of moral panic and lovely Win95 cdrom gameplay, I really want to find a way to play it

Drunkboxer
Jun 30, 2007

Regular Nintendo posted:

I saw some article about that game Harvester and it seems to be the perfect time capsule of moral panic and lovely Win95 cdrom gameplay, I really want to find a way to play it

I forgot about that game completely.

Captain Yossarian
Feb 24, 2011

All new" Rings of Fire"
I'm pretty sure Harvester is on GOG isn't it?

kilogram
Mar 29, 2012

Cyborg Senator

Mak0rz posted:

:words:

But what about that music? Well I can find a "tinp.mp3" in the page source and download it! Here's what it looks like when you poo poo it into a spectral analyzer:


Thanks for the story! You'd think there was more to it with a spectral profile like that...

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Cojawfee posted:

I'm to the point where I can use ribbon, but it is still totally poo poo. I hate when I have to do anything where I have to step back and think "we'll what category would someone else think the thing I want would be?" And then see if it is under that. If you have to get into a certain mindset to use a program, it is designed wrong.

I haven't bothered with MS Office since the 2010 version and just use LibreOffice since all I ever use it for is typing the occasional simple document. It was so nice to go back to menus after spending a couple of years dealing with that ribbon crap. Doing Table->Insert Table or Insert->Image in the menu is immensely more intuitive than crawling through rows of icons trying to find exactly what you need (and sometimes what you needed just wasn't there and you need to go into the ribbon settings to add it).

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Despite all of these shortcomings, the Sten still has a long track record of shooting people right in the face.
College Slice
The newer server OSes are infuriating really. I had to google how to shut one down which requires mousing into the bottom right-hand corner to get a UI with a gear icon. :what:

Also regarding dot matrix printers they really are good for high volume, cheap printing. I worked on law enforcement software for a while and most police stations would have one hooked up to the primary terminal for incoming messages. By law they had to print every inbound message sent to their agency under some condition , maybe all messages but I don't recall. Anyway they'd hook up an Okidata which feeds tractor style paper from a box on the floor. We did one state where we rolled out new hardware too and replaced their trusty dot matrix printers in most agencies with a fancy bubble jet printer which would only hold a ream or less of paper and use expensive ink and I'm sure break way more often than the workhorse Okidata printers. Oh well.

GI_Clutch
Aug 22, 2000

by Fluffdaddy
Dinosaur Gum

Sten Freak posted:

The newer server OSes are infuriating really. I had to google how to shut one down which requires mousing into the bottom right-hand corner to get a UI with a gear icon. :what:

I had to do the same the first time I remoted into Server 2012. I also love how when you hit up MS sites to download software on your server, it'll give you a big banner telling you that you should update to Windows 10. Yeah, that's just what my server needs.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

GI_Clutch posted:

I had to do the same the first time I remoted into Server 2012. I also love how when you hit up MS sites to download software on your server, it'll give you a big banner telling you that you should update to Windows 10. Yeah, that's just what my server needs.

I just wish they would stop setting the homepage to MSN. Because I just love waiting 2 minutes for the loving page to load when I'm trying to connect remotely over the VPN.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli


Floppies, they barely lasted a day's trip and back again. Even in a cover.
And using Split and Concact to break a large file into 1.33mb chunks to slowly copy off one machine to another.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

http://www.111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111.com/

barnold
Dec 16, 2011


what do u do when yuo're born to play fps? guess there's nothing left to do but play fps. boom headshot
the ribbon is fine for anybody who isn't one of those pussy rear end hard-headed computer folk. having a clusterfuck of options on the top bar of a program doesn't look nice and while us goony nerds will prefer utility over aesthetic, here's a hot take: the rest of the world pretty much doesn't and will poo poo their pants and die if things aren't ultra-slick looking.

by and large, the old win9x layouts wasted so much time with how you'd have to literally scour each UI element for the tool you were looking for when logically you could just be like "hmm yeah, bold is a type of text, so it's probably part of the text tool." you can Count Me Out!™ of the rose-tinted goggles for pre-ribbon UI.

that being said, the current Office interface is a loving monstrosity and there is nothing that can possibly fix it

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer

Turdsdown Tom posted:

the rest of the world pretty much doesn't and will poo poo their pants and die if things aren't ultra-slick looking.

Good.

90s Solo Cup
Feb 22, 2011

To understand the cup
He must become the cup



It took a while, but I got used to the ribbon. You gently caress around with something long enough and eventually you'll get used to it.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

WebDog posted:



Floppies, they barely lasted a day's trip and back again. Even in a cover.
And using Split and Concact to break a large file into 1.33mb chunks to slowly copy off one machine to another.

Is he raping that drive? Or does the floppy have porn on it?

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli

Geirskogul posted:

Is he raping that drive? Or does the floppy have porn on it?
512kb of only the finest rough stuff!
But to convert to hot hot double sided action you need one of these for the full megabyte!

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

WebDog posted:

But to convert to hot hot double sided action you need one of these for the full three-hundred-and-something kilobytes!

thathonkey
Jul 17, 2012

GI_Clutch posted:

I had to do the same the first time I remoted into Server 2012. I also love how when you hit up MS sites to download software on your server, it'll give you a big banner telling you that you should update to Windows 10. Yeah, that's just what my server needs.

why do you need a windows server

GutBomb
Jun 15, 2005

Dude?

thathonkey posted:

why do you need a windows server

Probably talking about work.

Scornful Sexbot
Sep 24, 2007


Dinosaur Gum

WebDog posted:

512kb of only the finest rough stuff!
But to convert to hot hot double sided action you need one of these for the full megabyte!



Why couldn't it just come this way? I am too young to understand this.

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time
Probably multiple reasons. Discriminated pricing, they can pick up some sales at a lower price point without cannibalizing their sales at a higher price point. Quality control probably plays a part as well. Both types of disk are manufactured on the same line, but for the single side disks only one side is going to be certified to work.

BogDew
Jun 14, 2006

E:\FILES>quickfli clown.fli

phantom_dilz posted:

Why couldn't it just come this way? I am too young to understand this.
They did, discs came as double and single sided but double was apparently twice the price, despite the internals being exactly the same.

Cunning people discovered that all you needed to do was cut in a notch into the disc that would allow it to be flipped over to access the other side.
The square hole punch was there to capitalise on this.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

Sten Freak posted:

The newer server OSes are infuriating really. I had to google how to shut one down which requires mousing into the bottom right-hand corner to get a UI with a gear icon. :what:

God, I hate regular Server 2012. 2012 R2 is fine, it's basically the server version of upgrading to 8.1. You can boot/log in straight to the Desktop, and you get the Start Menu back. The 2012 R2 (and 8.1) start menu is actually really useful, right-clicking gives you a ton of easy options like restart/shutdown/logout, Control Panel, Task Manager, Command Prompt, etc...

But yeah, in vanilla 8 and 2012, having to find the "magic spot" to hover the cursor to trigger the options is infuriating.


The_Franz posted:

I haven't bothered with MS Office since the 2010 version and just use LibreOffice since all I ever use it for is typing the occasional simple document. It was so nice to go back to menus after spending a couple of years dealing with that ribbon crap. Doing Table->Insert Table or Insert->Image in the menu is immensely more intuitive than crawling through rows of icons trying to find exactly what you need (and sometimes what you needed just wasn't there and you need to go into the ribbon settings to add it).

Yes, my God, how could anyone possibly figure out how to insert a table or picture with the Ribbon.

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer

So who is putting youtube videos into their word documents???????

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

8 track betamax posted:

So who is putting youtube videos into their word documents???????

They will be probably embedded in the document, and then someone will have another document that has that word document embedded within it. I don't even know why MS allows you to do that sorcery of documents embedded within documents.

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The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

DrBouvenstein posted:

Yes, my God, how could anyone possibly figure out how to insert a table or picture with the Ribbon.


I'd have more relevant examples if I took notes, but I honestly can't remember every random instance from years ago where I was annoyed by the ribbon.

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