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LemonDrizzle posted:Paul Mason wants Austria's EU membership suspended if the far-right candidate wins the presidency: http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...country-from-eu The invocation of Greece isn't spurious, it's an example of how the EU can absolutely destroy a country if it doesn't like its elected government. The irony here is that while the EU leadership is vehemently hostile to all left-wing governments, it does nothing against the far-right ones. Not a word, not a sanction.
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Friendly Humour posted:The invocation of Greece isn't spurious, it's an example of how the EU can absolutely destroy a country if it doesn't like its elected government. The irony here is that while the EU leadership is vehemently hostile to all left-wing governments, it does nothing against the far-right ones. Not a word, not a sanction.
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Friendly Humour posted:The invocation of Greece isn't spurious, it's an example of how the EU can absolutely destroy a country if it doesn't like its elected government. The irony here is that while the EU leadership is vehemently hostile to all left-wing governments, it does nothing against the far-right ones. Not a word, not a sanction. The EU is doing nothing to "crush" Greece. Like seriously, name one instance of Juncker not bending over backwards to help Tsipras and his cronies? There is a distinct difference between being reluctant to hand over another €50 billion and invoking Article 7 just because a country elected someone you don't like. LemonDrizzle posted:The eurogroup/ECB were able to act effectively against Greece because Greece owes the EU a lot of money and its public finances are in a dire state. Neither is true for Austria. On top of that, the EU didn't take any action simply because Syriza was elected, it acted in response to actions that Syriza took once in power. Mason is calling for action against Austria without regard to the president's actions. The ECB never acted against Greece or any other Southern country. Their policy of cheap money is the one thing that prevents them all from going tits up and the Greek banking system was allowed to live because Draghi extended ELA credit far beyond what was reasonable. GaussianCopula fucked around with this message at 13:58 on May 3, 2016 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:Mason is calling for action against Austria without regard to the president's actions. Hmmm yes I can't see any reason to be pre-emptive about a far-right Austrian being elected to the highest office.
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Tesseraction posted:Hmmm yes I can't see any reason to be pre-emptive about a far-right Austrian being elected to the highest office. Are you suggesting that the Austrian people are genetically predisposed to being a Hitler?
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GaussianCopula posted:The ECB never acted against Greece or any other Southern country. Their policy of cheap money is the one thing that prevents them all from going tits up and the Greek banking system was allowed to live because Draghi extended ELA credit far beyond what was reasonable.
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boom boom boom posted:Are you suggesting that the Austrian people are genetically predisposed to being a Hitler? Eh, 2 in a century isn't that common. Britain has produced several more Hitlers per century, just our dumb electoral system has thankfully prevailed in keeping them out of power.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Paul Mason wants Austria's EU membership suspended if the far-right candidate wins the presidency: http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...country-from-eu Wow, it's like when politicians decide to be Fascist-Lite, voters start going for Fascist-Original Recipe instead? Like if you turn the public discourse away from "fascism is bad" and decide to make it instead "fascism is good in moderation" then that will benefit the real fascists more than the "traditional" parties? When your policies are based on the axiom that immigrants are an existential threat to the country and they should be kept out, that's why you're building fences, then why the gently caress are you surprised that those people who say "immigrants are an existential threat to the country, that's why we're gonna boot them out of here" gain votes? By going fascist-lite, you're not appeasing the fascist itch of the electorate, you're justifying it and telling people that fascism is the answer, so of course they're gonna go for the real-deal instead of the diet version you're trying to sell them. Tesseraction posted:Eh, 2 in a century isn't that common. Britain has produced several more Hitlers per century, just our dumb electoral system has thankfully prevailed in keeping them out of power. You could probably find people in India who would count Churchill as one. Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 14:28 on May 3, 2016 |
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Wow, it's like when politicians decide to be Fascist-Lite, voters start going for Fascist-Original Recipe instead? Like if you turn the public discourse away from "fascism is bad" and decide to make it instead "fascism is good in moderation" then that will benefit the real fascists more than the "traditional" parties? When your policies are based on the axiom that immigrants are an existential threat to the country and they should be kept out, that's why you're building fences, then why the gently caress are you surprised that those people who say "immigrants are an existential threat to the country, that's why we're gonna boot them out of here" gain votes? By going fascist-lite, you're not appeasing the fascist itch of the electorate, you're justifying it and telling people that fascism is the answer, so of course they're gonna go for the real-deal instead of the diet version you're trying to sell them. [/quote] Being against immigration from 3rd countries is not against EU rules. It gets a bit more difficult when you talk about refugees but generally the EU is not pro open borders outside the EU.
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Friendly Humour posted:The invocation of Greece isn't spurious, it's an example of how the EU can absolutely destroy a country if it doesn't like its elected government. The irony here is that while the EU leadership is vehemently hostile to all left-wing governments, it does nothing against the far-right ones. Not a word, not a sanction. The EU is more concerned with protecting markets and free movement of capital than protecting it's people.
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Cat Mattress posted:You could probably find people in India who would count Churchill as one. He's one of the people I was thinking of. If that rear end in a top hat had won the 1945 election Britain would be nothing like it is today. For the worse of all of us.
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bronin posted:Switzerland already does this. Don't know since when though. [regarding iodine pills] Wow, I'd never heard of this but sure enough: 4.9 million Swiss have received these tablets within the last 2 years. Apparently we don't live within 50km of a nuclear plant, or maybe they just don't care about Swiss nationals with foreign-sounding names. http://www.24heures.ch/suisse/distribution-tablettes-iode-retard/story/14101588
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Bedshaped posted:The EU is more concerned with protecting markets and free movement of capital than protecting it's people. Now now they are also very keen on peotectinng the free movement of (cheap) labour inside the EU.
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The treaties do not allow for a country to be kicked out anyway. And how many countries in the EU would want to set that precedent? Greece, Spain, Portugal;Ireland and other nation that are or have been receiving signifanct Financial support from the ECB would hate for that precedent to be set. It`s not gonna happen.
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Baudolino posted:The treaties do not allow for a country to be kicked out anyway. And how many countries in the EU would want to set that precedent? Greece, Spain, Portugal;Ireland and other nation that are or have been receiving signifanct Financial support from the ECB would hate for that precedent to be set. It`s not gonna happen. The tretaies didn't and don't allow anyone to be kicked out (though there are partial suspensions that have never been applied). Getting out though, is allowed with the Lisbon treaty, article 50 Those same countries would benefit inmensely from just printing their own currency and, some might argue, from protectionism, so maybe one of them will set it.
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https://next.ft.com/content/e90a080e-107b-11e6-91da-096d89bd2173?siteedition=uk#axzz47c1CQziHquote:Germany is to push for progress towards a European army by advocating a joint headquarters and shared military assets, according to defence plans that could ricochet into Britain’s EU referendum campaign.
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The Hellenic Navy just recomissioned a warship that they not only can afford to operate, but also has a proven record of stopping invading Asian hordes:
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LemonDrizzle posted:The eurogroup/ECB were able to act effectively against Greece because Greece owes the EU a lot of money and its public finances are in a dire state. Neither is true for Austria. On top of that, the EU didn't take any action simply because Syriza was elected, it acted in response to actions that Syriza took once in power. Mason is calling for action against Austria without regard to the president's actions. They acted in response to SYRIZA taking anti-austerity actions, yes. In effect that is the same for an anti-austerity party as getting elected at all. And even now you still have games being played, mostly on the part of the IMF, in spite of everything given ground on so far.
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Dawncloack posted:The tretaies didn't and don't allow anyone to be kicked out (though there are partial suspensions that have never been applied). Getting out though, is allowed with the Lisbon treaty, article 50 Also, suspension of membership rights is only possible in case of violation of fundamental rights, not in response to member state budgetary policies - those can at worst lead to fines being applied. But much though Spain or Italy or the other crisis countries might benefit from having their own currency again, none of them would benefit from the costs of adopting one, most importantly, the capital flight and financial crisis that would likely result from leaving the euro.
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GaussianCopula posted:Wow, it's like when politicians decide to be Fascist-Lite, voters start going for Fascist-Original Recipe instead? Like if you turn the public discourse away from "fascism is bad" and decide to make it instead "fascism is good in moderation" then that will benefit the real fascists more than the "traditional" parties? You're a horrible person and probably a racist considering how you are basically advocating for them here and now as the only ones willing to be just as vitriolic to refugees as possible.
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https://www.publico.pt/politica/noticia/iraque-evocacoes-presidenciais-1731304?page=-1 Former President Jorge Sampaio went nuclear today, destroying Barroso's recent claims that he is an incredibly cool humble guy by reminding everyone how he tried to glue himself to Bush and look good by supporting the Iraq War when he was PM
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KoldPT posted:https://www.publico.pt/politica/noticia/iraque-evocacoes-presidenciais-1731304?page=-1
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Ah yes, the Iraq War, exactly what any reasonable person wants tied to their legacy. Just look at the rousing success the result is!
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Tesseraction posted:Ah yes, the Iraq War, exactly what any reasonable person wants tied to their legacy. I don't think you understood the article summary. Sampaio is calling out Barroso for being an idiot who supported the Iraq war
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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A happy EU day to our friends in Athens and to all of my fellow Europeans.
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://next.ft.com/content/e90a080e-107b-11e6-91da-096d89bd2173?siteedition=uk#axzz47c1CQziH Well, good news for once!
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Lagotto posted:A happy EU day to our friends in Athens and to all of my fellow Europeans. This morning isn't quite as bright as yesterday's in Athens! 
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Tesseraction posted:This morning isn't quite as bright as yesterday's in Athens! I like how the cops aren't even remotely reacting to that fire. "You call this a protest?? Why in my day... fires ten meters high!"
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Tesseraction posted:This morning isn't quite as bright as yesterday's in Athens! Eurovision starts tomorrow, so no protests tomorrow ☺
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Saladman posted:I like how the cops aren't even remotely reacting to that fire. "You call this a protest?? Why in my day... fires ten meters high!" At this point they're probably more used to molotov fires than still-living trees.
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Lagotto posted:Eurovision starts tomorrow, so no protests tomorrow ☺ Ooh, ooh, no spoilers! I want to see the finale with fresh ears. I see from my ears apparently.
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Tesseraction posted:Ooh, ooh, no spoilers! I want to see the finale with fresh ears. I see from my ears apparently. God, eurovision is so bad! It represents EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THIS CONTINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERGHGH.....!!!!!11!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *collapses to the ground*
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Are you trying to tell me you do not enjoy the European Politically Motivated Point Scoring Contest?
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Despite half the songs not being very good, which is a thing, what really, really gets me is the Spanish coverage of it. I mean, hey, we all know there's some politically motivated scoring, of course. But why does the Spanish anchorman have to go on and on and on with his stupid, petty nationalism? Seriously, it's like all his comments are "Oh these people didn't vote for use because they prefered to vote for the country where a lot of inmigrants of the same ethnia live" and "they didn't vote for us because they didn't understand our genius". It's stupid and disgusting and it has sucked any enjoyement out of what could be a fantastic chance to get drunk and love to hate. Though I admit I've kept well clear of it the last couple of years, who knows if they kicked that imbecile out.
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Dawncloack posted:God, eurovision is so bad! It represents EVERYTHING THAT IS WRONG WITH THIS CONTINEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERGHGH.....!!!!!11!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is 95% non memorable shite music though, and the whole show is generally tacky with overproduced artistry that all looks the same after you have watched it a couple of times. Could use some shaking up imho, like holding it every second year or so, and put more effort into the musical content and not only the show.
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What channel is Eurovision on in Spain? I happen to be here so I could actually watch it conveniently this year.
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The chancellor of Austria has resigned after his party crashed and burned horribly in the presidential elections, and people in his party are calling for closer cooperation with the populist/anti-immigrant FPÖ: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/09/werner-faymann-quits-as-austrian-chancellorquote:The Austrian chancellor, Werner Faymann, has resigned two weeks after his Social Democratic party (SPÖ) suffered a disastrous result in a presidential election.
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LemonDrizzle posted:The chancellor of Austria has resigned after his party crashed and burned horribly in the presidential elections, and people in his party are calling for closer cooperation with the populist/anti-immigrant FPÖ: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/may/09/werner-faymann-quits-as-austrian-chancellor Old ghosts starting to moan again....
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