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Bad Seafood posted:An integral part of Chrollo's strategy is likely paralyzing Hisoka with information. He can control people, control puppets, make copies, swap appearances, plus untold other things he hasn't bothered to explain (unless, indeed, that is a new condition he has to deal with). Has he used both antennae? Is he stamping copies? Have all the sun/moon bombs gone off? Would any sun symbol coming into contact with any other moon symbol trigger an explosion? Chrollo could, hypothetically, give some puppets the order to "Break" him while others are ordered to touch their symbols together. It has to be a condition. His new two-timing capabilities are way too overpowered without it. trucutru fucked around with this message at 03:45 on May 4, 2016 |
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Say Nothing posted:Is there an anime where people don't stop and explain what they're doing in the middle of a fight? Noragami is the closest I can think of with magical powers and fights. Though the fights there are really just based in mundane weapons, supernatural origins aside.
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Say Nothing posted:Is there an anime where people don't stop and explain what they're doing in the middle of a fight? LoGH?
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Tunicate posted:LoGH? They stop time and have some other guy explain what they're doing aka the krillin cut Unless it's early in the series, in which case the other guy explains what going to happen and it cuts to them doing the thing. 
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Tunicate posted:Calling it now - the lion guy didn't die, he actually used the faceswap power and traded places with chrollo Wait, now you mention it... maybe this fight will end with Hisoka believing he won but the real Chrollo (with another face) escapes with the rest of public.
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May 4, 2016 09:44
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it's going to end with them shaking hands and acknowledging they're both great warriors. And then they beat up kurapika.
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May 4, 2016 10:01
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Serious Frolicking posted:Machi knew that texture surprise exists, but I kind of doubt that she knows all it is capable of. I think this was explained during the scene with the falsified prophecy? I'll look it up later. Heck, we probably don't know all it can do either. From what I remember, most of the spider doesn't know about texture surprise, only Machi knew. BUT, Hisoka implied Machi believes she knows texture surprise but in truth Hisoka has hidden from her the real capabilities. She doesn't know how flexible is the ability, allowing to imitate much more textures, nor she knows how detailed can be, allowing to for example "write" on top of a screen or a piece of paper making a perfect forgery document. About bungee gum, not only he can use it touching someone, he can "throw" a sticky gum to someone, a bit like an Emission user. Remember he did it with Gon in their fight, there was a moment where he was talking and pointed to him, in that moment he sticked his nen to Gon's cheek, because Gon wasn't using constant gyo.
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Turin Turambar posted:From what I remember, most of the spider doesn't know about texture surprise, only Machi knew. BUT, Hisoka implied Machi believes she knows texture surprise but in truth Hisoka has hidden from her the real capabilities. She doesn't know how flexible is the ability, allowing to imitate much more textures, nor she knows how detailed can be, allowing to for example "write" on top of a screen or a piece of paper making a perfect forgery document. He only ever seems to do that when his opponent is distracted. Since he always hides that attack with in or deception I'm guessing it would be easily dodged if someone saw it coming.
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 He's just casually flicking his goopy Nen on your face which is well within the realm of Manipulation.
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May 4, 2016 14:15
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Stretching out a tendril of nen is clearly transmutation.
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May 4, 2016 14:47
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I like the explanations this chapter because they make sense. Chrollo's entire plan depends on Hisoka having to worry about ten different things at once and that only works if you fully explain the power. Hisoka is making decisions based off the information he was given which he wouldn't be doing if Chrollo didn't explain and that might actually work against him because he'll refrain from killing blows he would have gone for otherwise because he isn't sure.
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Eej posted:
Oh no, we're not starting this poo poo again. trucutru posted:It has to be a condition. His new two-timing capabilities are way too overpowered without it. This is my take as well. The conditions for such a powerful ability require him to explain it if he uses the bookmark, much like Genthurus Countdown requires the explanation to use. Or he's playing a similar game that Hisoka normally plays where he's feeding him info to keep him focused on one thing while he does something else entirely. Asuron fucked around with this message at 15:38 on May 4, 2016 |
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Serious Frolicking posted:He only ever seems to do that when his opponent is distracted. Since he always hides that attack with in or deception I'm guessing it would be easily dodged if someone saw it coming. Yeah, it worked with Gon because he was an amateur that didn't use gyo. But still, the possibility of stretching his aura in several threads/tendrils/whatever exists, I just wanted to point out that he has more options that getting close to his targets or throwing a real life object.
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Even if someone is prepared he can still hide his aura to some extent, just like Kurapika can with his chains. Seeing aura that is masked with in is kind of difficult and requires concentration. That is why his distractions work at all.
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Also you don't want to put your nen only on your eyes vs hisoka. He can launch stuff, throw stuff at you move you into traps and so on. He's really tricky
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Wild Horses posted:Also you don't want to put your nen only on your eyes vs hisoka. He can launch stuff, throw stuff at you move you into traps and so on. He's really tricky Gyo isn't Ken, and if you don't have the skill for that kind of fast aura shifting skill, you're gonna have a bad day against Hisoka anyways.
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Rohan Kishibe posted:Gyo isn't Ken, and if you don't have the skill for that kind of fast aura shifting skill, you're gonna have a bad day against Hisoka anyways. ken is actually safer than gyo that is, gyo is just moving your aura around your body. when you put it in your eyes you can see aura better Law Cheetah fucked around with this message at 21:31 on May 4, 2016 |
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Rohan Kishibe posted:Gyo isn't Ken, and if you don't have the skill for that kind of fast aura shifting skill, you're gonna have a bad day against Hisoka anyways. it's implied that, although they were both young and extreme novices in nen, both killua and gon had to strain a lot to catch hisoka's hidden nen. What i'm saying is that you can't just pop real quick to have a look where he keeps his gum, because you'll already be stuck in it. Nor can you walk around with gyo on your eyes in a fight with him. Wild Horses fucked around with this message at 22:10 on May 4, 2016 |
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I was re-reading the election/Alluka arc and noticed that when it shows the Zoldyck family interconnection diagram it says that Kalluto "envies" Alluka. I wonder why that is? Maybe because Killua is close to her/him? edit: Ah, according to the image on the page in chapter 326 where Hisoka says "The more toys you have...the more fun you have, no?" and it shows a bunch of characters, it seems like Hisoka is randomly interested in Satotz and Hanzo in addition to the Zodiacs, Phantom Troupe, Zoldycks, and Gon/Kirapuka/Leorio. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 22:25 on May 4, 2016 |
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Ytlaya posted:I was re-reading the election/Alluka arc and noticed that when it shows the Zoldyck family interconnection diagram it says that Kalluto "envies" Alluka. I wonder why that is? Maybe because Killua is close to her/him? The  explanation is that Alluka doesn't have to kill people. (Nanika kills plenty of people, of course.)
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Ytlaya posted:I was re-reading the election/Alluka arc and noticed that when it shows the Zoldyck family interconnection diagram it says that Kalluto "envies" Alluka. I wonder why that is? Maybe because Killua is close to her/him? He's interested in strong people. Satotz and Hanzo were among the strongest at the exam. It makes sense. As for Kalluto, yeah, Killua likes Alluka (who is a she) and Kalluto is jealous. Kalluto also joined the Phantom Troupe to try to get Killua back, after all.
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Roland Jones posted:He's interested in strong people. Satotz and Hanzo were among the strongest at the exam. It makes sense. Satotz was just one of the examiners, though? Like, what makes him different from every other random hunter who proctors the exams? I understand Hanzo, since he was also a very promising "seed", so to speak, but Satotz is probably close to his peak strength (or was in the past). Regarding Alluka, I said he/she just because I think I remember Killua's family for some reason referring to Alluka as a male (while Killua refers to her as a female).
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Ytlaya posted:Satotz was just one of the examiners, though? Like, what makes him different from every other random hunter who proctors the exams? I understand Hanzo, since he was also a very promising "seed", so to speak, but Satotz is probably close to his peak strength (or was in the past). I think they referred to her as an object. Like "it" and "that thing" most often. But I could be remembering wrong. In either case, it was to show that Killua was the only one who saw her as a person and not a monster, not to indicate any actual ambiguity.
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No, the Zoldycks do refer to Alluka using male pronouns, except for Killua, who uses female ones. That's correct.
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Ytlaya posted:Satotz was just one of the examiners, though? Like, what makes him different from every other random hunter who proctors the exams? I understand Hanzo, since he was also a very promising "seed", so to speak, but Satotz is probably close to his peak strength (or was in the past). He blocked an attack from Hisoka. None of the other examiners did anything special.
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Sir Ilpalazzo posted:No, the Zoldycks do refer to Alluka using male pronouns, except for Killua, who uses female ones. That's correct. To be exact. Silva and Kyoko refer to Alluka as "that thing" and "it". Illumi and Milluki call Alluka use male pronouns, Killua uses female ones.
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i hope hisoka and chrollo both die because they are superfluous at this point
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i hope fun and entertainment die because they are just superfluous at this point beep boop im a robot
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i hope they get past their differences and repair their friendship
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Stairmaster posted:i hope they get past their differences and have hot sex
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May 5, 2016 01:35
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Chrollo is going to learn that something else has the properties of both rubber AND gum
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theyre both going to be killed by a random audience member
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TWIST FIST posted:theyre both going to be killed by a random audience member toguro younger decided to watch the fight.
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Ytlaya posted:Satotz was just one of the examiners, though? Like, what makes him different from every other random hunter who proctors the exams? I understand Hanzo, since he was also a very promising "seed", so to speak, but Satotz is probably close to his peak strength (or was in the past). That doesn't mean that Satotz isn't strong. Hisoka was interested in the Zodiacs too, after all. And, you know, Chrollo. Just because Satotz may be at his peak doesn't mean that he wouldn't be entertaining, particularly since Hisoka's seen nothing of what he can actually do so there's still some surprises there. As for Alluka, the way the non-Killua family members refer to her is meant to be dehumanizing and uncaring. Besides the aforementioned treating her as a thing that some do, it's all but explicitly stated that Alluka is trans. Hence the Zoldycks who don't dehumanize her completely referring to her as male, and external, unfamiliar sources referring to "the Zoldyck sons" or whatever in a few places, while Killua, who actually cares about her and respects her as a person rather than seeing her as a thing to be exploited/locked away/destroyed, uses "she" and such.
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The Alluka thing always struck me as really interesting if only because it's coming out of Japan which is not well known for tolerance of this stuff aside from as a fetish. Props to Togashi for that.
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Stairmaster posted:Chrollo is going to learn that something else has the properties of both rubber AND gum lol
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Hisoka is a murdersexual. As far as he is concerned, they are already having sex right now.
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Eej posted:The Alluka thing always struck me as really interesting if only because it's coming out of Japan which is not well known for tolerance of this stuff aside from as a fetish. Props to Togashi for that. Yeah. I actually wondered if I was interpreting it right for a while because of the usual way those things are handled, in and outside of Japan, but there's really no other way to look at it. "The Zoldyck sons" are a known, established thing and all the family members who don't know and care about Alluka use masculine (if not completely dehumanizing) terms when referring to her, but the brother who actually knows and cares about her uses feminine ones. There's really no other way to interpret it that isn't completely ridiculous, and given the sides involved it's also pretty clear that Togashi intends for the audience to be on Killua and Alluka's side, not the rest of the family's. Serious Frolicking posted:Hisoka is a murdersexual. As far as he is concerned, they are already having sex right now. I will be surprised if we don't get at least one bonerflash out of Hisoka before this fight is over.
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Roland Jones posted:external, unfamiliar sources referring to "the Zoldyck sons" or whatever in a few places, To be fair, nobody outside the zoldycks knows alluka exists.
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