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Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

My only problem with tortoise is the repo browser is exceptionally slow when I'm looking at a bigass repo

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creatine: Jan 27, 2012

Valeyard posted:

when I'm looking at a bigass repo

# ? May 3, 2016 23:49

JewKiller 3000: Nov 28, 2006; by Lowtax

if you like tortoise svn then you probably also like toad for oracle

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

imho gmail is best version control

# ? May 4, 2016 00:38

Illusive Fuck Man: Jul 5, 2004; RIP John McCain feel better xoxo ð ð; Taco Defender

tfw the startup you used to work at updates their website indicating some kind of pivot away from the product you were responsible for.

my suspicion is that after i left they shut down the rack i deployed to and moved offices, and were never able to bring things back online. i'm not even sure i'd be able to do it myself. this is truly the thread for me.

# ? May 4, 2016 01:15

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

tortoise is the only approved client. we're not allowed to install software that's not on the approved list.

i guess you should just reimplement git and git-svn in mumps so that you don't have to install any third-party software

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Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

is avro (the serialization format) good or bad

# ? May 4, 2016 03:15

crazysim: May 23, 2004; I AM SOOOOO GAY

Progressive JPEG posted:

is avro (the serialization format) good or bad

no experience but i thought it was kinda interesting to read in the bigquery notes that they are accepting that as a format to stream things in. protobuf isn't available (perhaps at least to the public), but avro is.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:23

FamDav: Mar 29, 2008

Progressive JPEG posted:

is avro (the serialization format) good or bad

it's fine, but i think in many cases you'd either pick something like protobufs/thrift for rpc or parquet for ~*big data*~ storage. i think if you could come up with reasons why avro is better than the alternative then you wouldn't be awful for picking it.

# ? May 4, 2016 03:52

Space Whale: Nov 6, 2014

I'm getting goon recs for memcache. Guy at work wondered why not use the asp cache.

Idgi

# ? May 4, 2016 04:36

Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

FamDav posted:

it's fine, but i think in many cases you'd either pick something like protobufs/thrift for rpc or parquet for ~*big data*~ storage. i think if you could come up with reasons why avro is better than the alternative then you wouldn't be awful for picking it.

yeah protobuf is typically my go-to by default but a coworker pointed out avro

thift isnt looking promising in comparison given that fellow fb spinoff project cassandra is dropping it

# ? May 4, 2016 04:55

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

FamDav posted:

protobuf

# ? May 4, 2016 04:59

VikingofRock: Aug 24, 2008

Question for the bit janitors in this thread: what's the best way to do type punning in C? I know that this:

code:

uint64_t i = 123456;
double d = *(double *)(&i);

is undefined behavior, because it violates the strict aliasing rule. The other solutions that I've seen are

code:

union u {
	uint64_t ui;
	double ud;
} x;
x.ui = 123456;
double d = x.ud;

and

code:

uint64_t i = 123456;
double d;
memcpy(&d, &i, sizeof(d));

Is there any reason to prefer one over the other? And is type punning through a union actually defined behavior? I've found conflicting information on that.

# ? May 4, 2016 07:41

Sagacity: May 2, 2003; Hopefully my epitaph will be funnier than my custom title.

JewKiller 3000 posted:

if you like tortoise svn then you probably also like toad for oracle

i thought toad was pretty bad. then i installed toad for oracle for mac.

(happily using intellij's built in database tools now)

# ? May 4, 2016 08:52

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

Illusive gently caress Man posted:

tfw the startup you used to work at updates their website indicating some kind of pivot away from the product you were responsible for.

my suspicion is that after i left they shut down the rack i deployed to and moved offices, and were never able to bring things back online. i'm not even sure i'd be able to do it myself. this is truly the thread for me.

no contact asking you to contract to bring it back / document? also racks go in datacentres not offices :?:

# ? May 4, 2016 12:08

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

i have been slowly untangling a huge mess of php - logic mixed with html, not concept of views or routes or anything. 'echo' ing html elements in between database calls. storing html in php serialized strings in the DB. direct includes based on apache rewrite rules. it's weirdly pleasurable but I bet I am writing huge swathes of new bugs. what is it about php that attracts this style of madness

# ? May 4, 2016 12:13

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

iirc union layout is compiler dependent

# ? May 4, 2016 12:17

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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my stepdads beer posted:

i have been slowly untangling a huge mess of php - logic mixed with html, not concept of views or routes or anything. 'echo' ing html elements in between database calls. storing html in php serialized strings in the DB. direct includes based on apache rewrite rules. it's weirdly pleasurable but I bet I am writing huge swathes of new bugs. what is it about php that attracts this style of madness

this is practically my next project. pages and pages of html/php without proper indentation or any comments at all. lots of the pages also have copy pasted some common code instead of you know, creating a utils.php they can import.

# ? May 4, 2016 12:25

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

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St Evan Echoes posted:

the art of unit testing is p good, i flicked through the kent beck one as well but it seemed less good

i'll look into it, thanks

# ? May 4, 2016 12:26

cowboy beepboop: Feb 24, 2001

Condiv posted:

this is practically my next project. pages and pages of html/php without proper indentation or any comments at all. lots of the pages also have copy pasted some common code instead of you know, creating a utils.php they can import.

omg the indendation. i often wonder how did the previous devs not even bother to hit ctrl-p-k or whatever to just indent the code automatically
wait they were all probably using nano or ed something

# ? May 4, 2016 12:32

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

my stepdads beer posted:

omg the indendation. i often wonder how did the previous devs not even bother to hit ctrl-p-k or whatever to just indent the code automatically
wait they were all probably using nano or ed something

oh yeah, there's sql query strings in there too, with just raw interpolation used so the website is a giant pile of sql injection vulnerabilities :cry:

# ? May 4, 2016 12:43

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

so, this piece of "software", i.e. pos, with dev budget of $50m, did break in early may because developers coded in a 31 day long april

# ? May 4, 2016 13:31

quiggy: Aug 7, 2010; [in Russian] Oof.

Bloody posted:

iirc union layout is compiler dependent

a union is required to be exactly as large in bits as the largest element, but there is no requirement about how it places smaller elements within the union iirc. in general unless you're doing something very specific where you need a uint8 to be in the back half of a uint16 or something weird, unions are your best bet for weird bit packing stuff. however this:

VikingofRock posted:

code:

union u {
	uint64_t ui;
	double ud;
} x;
x.ui = 123456;
double d = x.ud;

is also undefined behavior. memcpy the bits if you really need to look at the float as an int or w/e

# ? May 4, 2016 13:37

Illusive Fuck Man: Jul 5, 2004; RIP John McCain feel better xoxo ð ð; Taco Defender

my stepdads beer posted:

no contact asking you to contract to bring it back / document? also racks go in datacentres not offices :?:

imagine a 'cloud provider' startup, without real funding, operating from a half rack of ebayed servers sitting in a brooklyn office. now imagine the software running on those servers is all written in C by a bunch of fresh grads who forgot everything they ever learned about testing, and basically just does bespoke string parsing for bespoke network protocols and calls popen() on trash open source command line tools. all running underneath a year+ out-of-date version of openstack that I personally hacked to poo poo.

I documented what I could before I left (even a color coded map of how to hook everything up to the switch), and they only texted me a couple times after I left. did my best (which was objectively terrible).

# ? May 4, 2016 13:38

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

trying to wangle a database when you're not sure if the data diagram is correct, you're sure it isn't complete, and you don't really know how SQL joins or specifically inner joins work is uh

fun

also i'm not sure if i have direct access to the backend or not, just a query builder, and i'm not sure even if having access to the backend helps because i can only hit stuff that comes out of the query builder with the API i need to use

:toot:

Captain Foo fucked around with this message at 14:50 on May 4, 2016

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HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

Captain Foo posted:

trying to wangle a database when you're not sure if the data diagram is correct, you're sure it isn't complete, and you don't really know how SQL joins or specifically inner joins work is uh

fun

# ? May 4, 2016 14:51

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kalstrams posted:

imho gmail is best version control

I'd take this over loving TFS.

# ? May 4, 2016 15:00

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

kalstrams posted:

so, this piece of "software", i.e. pos, with dev budget of $50m, did break in early may because developers coded in a 31 day long april

don't roll your own:

crypto
calendar handling
timezone handling

# ? May 4, 2016 15:26

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Wheany posted:

don't roll your own:

crypto

calendar handling

timezone handling

well you would think that giant dev team with literal millions in budget would be able to write a calendar handler :psyduck:

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

or at least find a library to do it for them

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anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

Malloc Voidstar posted:

https://twitter.com/Scott_Helme/status/727832672551219201

# ? May 4, 2016 16:12

The MUMPSorceress: Jan 6, 2012; ^SHTPSTS; Gary’s Answer

Plorkyeran posted:

i guess you should just reimplement git and git-svn in mumps so that you don't have to install any third-party software

is the specification for git open-sores? we're not allowed to implement open-sores stuff lest we somehow accidentally open sores parts of our codebase. otherwise, that sounds like a fun thing to do when im bored and have some downtime.

my big problem with tortoise is just that it tries to do some "helpful" things on its own which occasionally lead to it throwing away chunks of files without telling you. if it just immediately threw all conflicts to a diff utility and let you resolve it, i'd be fine, but it doesn't do that even when you set it to do that.

# ? May 4, 2016 16:23

JawnV6: Jul 4, 2004; So hot ...

back when all i had was a shell

code:

foreach file (`ls`)
if(`diff $file ../otherdir/ | wc -l` > 0) tkdiff $file ../otherdir/

# ? May 4, 2016 16:36

yippee cahier: Mar 28, 2005

Notorious QIG posted:

a union is required to be exactly as large in bits as the largest element, but there is no requirement about how it places smaller elements within the union iirc. in general unless you're doing something very specific where you need a uint8 to be in the back half of a uint16 or something weird, unions are your best bet for weird bit packing stuff. however this:

is also undefined behavior. memcpy the bits if you really need to look at the float as an int or w/e

correct. the compiler should optimize it into what you want anyways: http://blog.regehr.org/archives/959

# ? May 4, 2016 16:41

Phone: Jul 30, 2005; 親子丼をほしい。

I'm trying to use a function and crib some notes off of an existing program... but the program heavily uses gotos for program flow/control

a picture of me --> :supaburn:

# ? May 4, 2016 16:45

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

is the specification for git open-sores? we're not allowed to implement open-sores stuff lest we somehow accidentally open sores parts of our codebase. otherwise, that sounds like a fun thing to do when im bored and have some downtime.

i guess the specs are gplv2 since they're in the source repo and don't have a distinct license attached

# ? May 4, 2016 17:07

quiggy: Aug 7, 2010; [in Russian] Oof.

yippee cahier posted:

correct. the compiler should optimize it into what you want anyways: http://blog.regehr.org/archives/959

honestly unless you're doing something with an embedded system where you really need to make every bit count you probably shouldn't be using unions

# ? May 4, 2016 17:09

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

JewKiller 3000 posted:

if you like tortoise svn then you probably also like toad for oracle

Toad is terrible, sql developer is pretty ok but also hangs and does when doing right click -> counts

# ? May 4, 2016 17:11

HoboMan: Nov 4, 2010

so i modified a web service, but now i'm getting some json parsing error after the ajax request. how do i look at the raw text getting returned?

e: the javascripting don't stop. i had never even heard of json or ajax before this.

HoboMan fucked around with this message at 18:46 on May 4, 2016

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

I just spent a little over a man-hour (20 mins with 2 other coworkers) due to the fact that I was looking at the wrong unit test. It kept failing and I kept modifying the wrong function so of course the test results didn't change. Christ.

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