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jwang posted:I think half the problem with translations is that a majority is simply machine translations with a thin paint of grammar spread on. That being said, My Disciple Died Yet Again is definitely one I would recommend for reading, even with the 3/4-assed translation. The "is this bad writing or bad translation or bad editing" guessing game is at least somewhat fun, though. filthychimp fucked around with this message at 06:54 on May 5, 2016 |
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DeafAsianQT posted:Yea I think so too, and Rainy is the giyuding rain Oh I forgot about her. Such a nice... whatever the heck she was. A sea? Living demon sea? Man things get weird in this story.
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May 5, 2016 04:58
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filthychimp posted:The "is this bad writing or bad translation or bad editing" guessing game is at least somewhat fun, though. From what I've learned in my short time since becoming an editor, it's mostly the latter two. Spoiled since I probably shouldn't be doing this:   There are three other editors listed, but they haven't done jack poo poo. BlitzBlast fucked around with this message at 05:55 on May 5, 2016 |
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I just finished ISSTH book 3 and I'm hosed up Edit: nothing in the past 20 chapters is okay. please go back to having a fulfilling life, fang mu Adelheid fucked around with this message at 11:54 on May 5, 2016 |
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May 5, 2016 11:52
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:Oh I forgot about her. Such a nice... whatever the heck she was. A sea? Living demon sea? Man things get weird in this story. Meng Hao wasn't a demon sealer the last time he saw her. There are lots of nice things he can do for a living demon sea now.
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BlitzBlast posted:From what I've learned in my short time since becoming an editor, it's mostly the latter two. Cripes, that's just terrible. Find a native speaker or at least someone who put in some time learning the language and ask them to help with that translation, because if I had to edit that the first time around I'd just rather straight out translate it myself using Google.
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May 5, 2016 17:17
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I mean I'm not sure you'd even have to speak japanese to improve those kind of really. awkward. sentences.
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May 5, 2016 17:53
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BlitzBlast posted:From what I've learned in my short time since becoming an editor, it's mostly the latter two. Jesus loving Christ. Thank you for your service. 
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May 5, 2016 18:09
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I have a working knowledge of japanese myself, but it turns out this group translates from a Chinese translation, so. I might just import the KonoSuba novels someday though. That and OSO, I really do love those series.
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May 5, 2016 18:48
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Japanese to Chinese translation shouldn't be too terrible, since their idioms and sentence structures are relatively similar compared to languages with Latin roots. Still, that's double the probability of something lost in translations.
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jwang posted:Japanese to Chinese translation shouldn't be too terrible, since their idioms and sentence structures are relatively similar compared to languages with Latin roots. Still, that's double the probability of something lost in translations. The sentence structure of chinese is closer to english than to japanese. Both english and chinese have a subject - verb - object word order, while japanese has [whatever you want in any order] - verb. That [whatever] can even be nothing, sentences containing just a verb are valid if the subject is clear from context.
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May 5, 2016 20:11
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It actually looks like KonoSuba is just super low on the priority list of this translation group, so it didn't even have an editor before me, just a couple people reading through the script and making minor corrections if something caught their eye. That is probably why even though I'm not even done with part 3 yet, I have more than 100 edits on this script while the other three combined have maybe 20 edits across all seven parts of this chapter.
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jwang posted:Japanese to Chinese translation shouldn't be too terrible, since their idioms and sentence structures are relatively similar compared to languages with Latin roots. Still, that's double the probability of something lost in translations. Huh? I didn't think it was. Japanese has a sentence structure something like "subject -> object -> verb" (though the first two don't have to be in that order), while I was under the impression Chinese had a structure more similar to English with respect to being a "subject -> verb -> object" sort of thing. The idioms might be due to some degree of shared culture, but I don't think Japanese is even in the same language family as Chinese (that might just be in terms of pronunciation though, not sure).
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He's probably just thinking of how they use the same characters (well at least for kanji), which is why Japanese -> Chinese translations tend to be pretty fast.
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May 6, 2016 02:43
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Aw yeah, issth is having a full on shenanigans arc.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Aw yeah, issth is having a full on shenanigans arc. But I've been getting the impression from this thread that ISSTH is pretty much all shenanigans all the time. Has it somehow achieved the legend and become Super Shenanigans?
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BlitzBlast posted:He's probably just thinking of how they use the same characters (well at least for kanji), which is why Japanese -> Chinese translations tend to be pretty fast. This is what I mean. When I'm reading Japanese kanji, usually I can make out the general gist of the sentence. It probably won't make sense taking it literally, but the characters would give me an idea of "so and so is doing this kind of thing, something something this happens."
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May 6, 2016 03:48
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Now presenting Patriarch Reliance's Pretty Silly Puppet Show!
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The Sandman posted:But I've been getting the impression from this thread that ISSTH is pretty much all shenanigans all the time. Has it somehow achieved the legend and become Super Shenanigans? Nah, there are also large stretches of fighting and training/meditation/transcendental weirdness.
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May 6, 2016 06:08
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That poor old turtle is going to get scammed again. 
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Herbotron posted:That poor old turtle is going to get scammed again. He's not poor yet. That comes after the scamming.
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May 6, 2016 16:59
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I just love how Meng Hao has become so self-aware regarding how conning his nature is. Early on in the novel, he was sincerely bashful and didn't do anything on purpose. Throughout the years, however, the conning slowly grew on him and now he has become a true con master. And that's just hilarious to watch.
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May 6, 2016 21:23
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I can't remember when it happened, but at one point Meng Hoa reflects on his success and realizes he has always been swindling people. It was before the immortal demon sect arc.
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May 7, 2016 19:33
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If there was ever a time for "Wow" in ISSTH, it's this chapter.
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May 8, 2016 01:16
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At this point, the thread probably should be Web/light novel thread - Menghao you magnificent bastard!
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May 8, 2016 03:31
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I finally gave in and decided to start reading ISSTH. I just reached the chapter where Meng Hao starts the Pill Cultivation Outlet. This is beautiful.
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May 8, 2016 19:43
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You know, I bet that once Meng Hao gets this douchebag off his back he could visit the southern domain again. He has a lot of debts to collect on, and I mean that literally.
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May 8, 2016 19:55
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Spider manga got updated. Kumo-chan is hilarious as usual. It looks like they're going with the LN version, since I don't remember anything about an egg at all.
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May 8, 2016 22:43
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Is the Resurrection Lily still in Meng Hao, or did I miss something and he got powerful enough to make it go away (which I remember was one of the possible solutions)? ISSTH has a tendency to build things up as really important then not mention them at all for 100+ chapters, like the Blood Mastiff.
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It is there, but he can both forcibly push it down and he still has a pill from what's-his-face at the violet fate sect that can both suppress the lily and increase his longevity.
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Oh poo poo I think I know what is going to happen next in ISSTH. Patriarch Reliance is about to scam himself, isn't he.
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Reached chapter 189, and wow. It's like a parade of Meng Hao's greatest hits, all back to haunt him.
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Meng Hao's last little kick in the ribs as he was running away from
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The Sandman posted:Reached chapter 189, and wow. It's like a parade of Meng Hao's greatest hits, all back to haunt him. If chapter 189 is the song clan gathering and everyone points at meng hao and go "YOU!" That remains my favorite chapter
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DeafAsianQT posted:If chapter 189 is the song clan gathering and everyone points at meng hao and go "YOU!" That remains my favorite chapter It was. Also, got to Lord Fifth's debut. He instantly became the best thing in the novel.
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  Hahaha, almost all of my edits are getting rejected now for being "unnecessary". I guess the people want poo poo english. EDIT: I should probably be annoyed a literal week's worth of effort is getting thrown away, but I'm kind of just bemused. I wonder if the guy who's going through this entire document rejecting everything actually thinks the original script was fine? BlitzBlast fucked around with this message at 17:57 on May 10, 2016 |
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BlitzBlast posted:
Is English that guy's first language? If not, then it's entirely possible he does think that.
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DeafAsianQT posted:If chapter 189 is the song clan gathering and everyone points at meng hao and go "YOU!" That remains my favorite chapter I love when we get Meng Hao Reunion Tours because I always forget just how many people he's pissed off until they all show up again. Also the amount of parallels between Meng Hao and Meng Hao's Turtle shown in recent chapters is actually pretty interesting, they both share the same disdain from being held down by the strong just because they're strong and are both totally shameless assholes. The difference is in the destination, Meng Hao wants to be strong so he can be free, while Turtle wants to be strong so he can do the holding down. Meng Hao also refuses to let go of that last shred of human(/turtle) decency while Turtle revels in being a shitlord. Some a+ shenanigans as well. On translators/editors, some of them seem to get weirdly huge egos for some reason and it seems like a total crapshoot. I've only seen The Coolest People or Obnoxious Dickheads and absolutely nothing in-between.
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BlitzBlast posted:
Lol, just quit, then. They don't deserve a good editor if they're just going to disregard everything you say.
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blastron posted:Lol, just quit, then. They don't deserve a good editor if they're just going to disregard everything you say. Seconding this, if they won't let you do your hobby forget about them.
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