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Mr Hootington posted:It means what everyone has known for months. A lot of people dislike Hillary. Even more dislike Trump. Sure, but for more people in Texas to dislike the Republican frontrunner than the Democratic frontrunner? That's pretty insane.
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showbiz_liz posted:Sure, but for more people in Texas to dislike the Republican frontrunner than the Democratic frontrunner? That's pretty insane. Not really. Texas has a very sizable Hispanic community and they really loving hate him.
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May 6, 2016 22:15
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A Winner is Jew posted:Not really. Oh I know WHY it's happening, but it's still pretty amazing, isn't it?
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theflyingorc posted:This kind of thing is why I've never agreed that Cruz was the worse candidate. Worse PERSON, sure - but the type of things that were awful about Cruz are the type of things that are bad for a legislator, not a president. Trump would have control of the strongest military in the world. That's terrifying. I think a president Cruz would proclaim himself the second coming of Christ and usher in Armageddon via nuclear hellfire. Donald Trump will just invade Cuba or somewhere so he can develop all that beach front property.
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May 6, 2016 22:19
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icantfindaname posted:And so begins Hilllary's rightwards pivot to the comfortable triangular center now that the competition has imploded and she can safely gently caress over the left, not needing their support Reading the article, it sounds like the Hillary campaign's strategy to woo disaffected Republicans is focused mainly on emphasizing Trump's negatives and general unfitness to be commander-in-chief, not on any triangulation or policy changes on Hillary's part.
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icantfindaname posted:And so begins Hilllary's rightwards pivot to the comfortable triangular center now that the competition has imploded and she can safely gently caress over the left, not needing their support Of she's trying to grow the party by bringing in disaffected Republicans and showing them there's space for compromise and a place for them within our big tent so she can assemble a crushing electoral majority and actually go into office with a mandate hopefully a friendly upper chamber. But nah, she's doing the evil thing.
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icantfindaname posted:And so begins Hilllary's rightwards pivot to the comfortable triangular center now that the competition has imploded and she can safely gently caress over the left, not needing their support A politician trying to convince people to vote for them?? My god! That article doesn't mention even a single policy shift to the right, just that she's trying to profit off of Trump's disastrousness. Her foreign policy pitch is that she'll be less wingnutty than trump, and her main tack is "trump is horrible to women, I'll improve things for women". That's not a shift to the center, that's just drawing a line between the center and your opponent. And yes, she will shift to a center somewhat at some point, this is an election. But be reasonable.
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May 6, 2016 22:22
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Trying to bring in disaffected Republicans by attacking Trump a whole lot sounds like a good strategy. I've seen about four variations of that same article over the past few days and it all just boils down to "they're going to attack Trump a lot". Wow congrats you cracked that code
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May 6, 2016 22:22
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I hate those Republicans, look at them, they nominated Trump, who is a clown! They're right about Hillary though. Hillary 
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Predictably, Hillary and co. are being mocked for trying to get 'Dangerous Donald' passed around. I can totally see Trump walk on a rally stage wearing some shades and totally pimp out that nickname. just go Dumbfuck Donny or something, jesus
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May 6, 2016 22:24
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She loves Johnson, what can you say?
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May 6, 2016 22:25
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https://twitter.com/brianjameswalsh/status/728695427592228865 Donald is doing everything in his power to not get his party to unite around him.
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May 6, 2016 22:27
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BobTheJanitor posted:Because good political messaging uses easily remembered sound bites to take root in the popular consciousness. See death panels, death tax, etc. The goal is to have an idea that can be easily parsed in just a few words and then keep repeating it until it becomes common knowledge. Republicans are vastly better at this than democrats could ever hope to be. Someone at the DNC needs to find out how much it would cost to buy off Frank Luntz, because history has proven that that's pretty much the only chance they'd ever have to pull off this sort of messaging without immediately screwing it up. That reminds me, I need to check in on how he's been feeling about this election. In January he was already a bit 
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Spoils the fun https://twitter.com/joshledermanap/status/728698100915834880
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Ditocoaf posted:A politician trying to convince people to vote for them?? My god! Is this the new "Hillary is the real progressive"?
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theblackw0lf posted:https://twitter.com/brianjameswalsh/status/728695427592228865 Which is why I think he won't be able to pivot. Hillary just has to provoke him a little. Even with months to prep before the first debate he's too much of a hotheaded egomaniac to control himself.
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icantfindaname posted:And so begins Hilllary's rightwards pivot to the comfortable triangular center now that the competition has imploded and she can safely gently caress over the left, not needing their support  Hillary's trying to get votes instead of saying exactly what I want her to say.
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May 6, 2016 22:43
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Shbobdb posted:Is this the new "Hillary is the real progressive"? I think it's the still-current "Hillary wants to crush the GOP into a fine paste under her heel, cackling". More people voting D accomplishes that.
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May 6, 2016 22:47
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DemeaninDemon posted:
It's the same strategy LBJ used in 1964 which worked out pretty well. MAKE SOCIETY GREAT AGAIN.
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May 6, 2016 22:48
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JB laughed off that whole "it's Roberts fault for Trump" thing the other day. He did find another piece of analysis that I think explains the Trump rise better:quote:I think the rise of Trump can be partly explained by the politics of delegitimization backfiring. Conservatives and libertarians used the strategy to rally the troops. They made it a standard move, and it became second nature over time. . . . When a large audience is inclined to believe that everyone in government is corrupt, an outsider who excels at the politics of delegitimization can become a powerful political force regardless of his own politics. . . . Public perceptions of what Chief Justice Roberts wrote in Sebelius may have been a contributing factor — one among many, of course, but still a factor — in the Republican party turning to Donald Trump. But that perception was the result of a false narrative designed to delegitimize Roberts’s decision. To the extent public perceptions of Sebelius made any difference, the fault for the rise of Donald Trump does not belong with Chief Justice Roberts. Instead, it belongs with those who tried to delegitimize the Roberts opinion for their own ends and had it backfire on them big-time.
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Either Trump's gonna have a bad month, or we're going to have the President-elect defending himself in a fraud case.
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TeenageArchipelago posted:just go Dumbfuck Donny or something, jesus It really is a missed opportunity for a "you're out of your loving element, Donny" reference.
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May 6, 2016 22:53
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Cabbit posted:I think it's the still-current "Hillary wants to crush the GOP into a fine paste under her heel, cackling". More people voting D accomplishes that. The Dems are almost certain to make decent gains in the House regardless of whether they retake the Senate. If Clinton wins and gets a Democrat-majority senate and a decent number of seats in the House it's going to make Paul Ryan's life a living hell, especially if the GOP loses more House seats than they should have due to Trump causing damage to the GOP. The House won't flip unless the right completely collapses but it'll be interesting to see how long Paul Ryan would keep using the Hastert Rule to logjam everything when a Democratic Senate sends them bills to vote on and the White House keeps calling asking what the hold up is.
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Evil Fluffy posted:The Dems are almost certain to make decent gains in the House regardless of whether they retake the Senate. If Clinton wins and gets a Democrat-majority senate and a decent number of seats in the House it's going to make Paul Ryan's life a living hell, especially if the GOP loses more House seats than they should have due to Trump causing damage to the GOP. The House won't flip unless the right completely collapses but it'll be interesting to see how long Paul Ryan would keep using the Hastert Rule to logjam everything when a Democratic Senate sends them bills to vote on and the White House keeps calling asking what the hold up is. Hard to keep using the Hastert Rule now lol
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Cabbit posted:I think it's the still-current "Hillary wants to crush the GOP into a fine paste under her heel, cackling". More people voting D accomplishes that. Not gonna lie, of the enthusiastic Hillary supporters I know, this is a major factor for well over half. (For me it's mostly "slightly worse Obama third term, which is just fine", but I can't deny the appeal of a woman who's spent the last quarter century being demonized by the GOP getting the power to ruin them.)
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Either Trump's gonna have a bad month, or we're going to have the President-elect defending himself in a fraud case. Said it before, Trump is going to contest the election results if he doesn't win, can't see him not doing it. The TU case will be on hold when Trump and hundreds of fat white racists demand recounts.
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May 6, 2016 23:10
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:The city of Chicago is deeply divided by race and class, but the people are united in their view that Rahm is poo poo. Rahm Emanuel: The man who managed to turn his city from Black Chicago and White Chicago to just Chicago.
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May 6, 2016 23:15
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happyhippy posted:Said it before, Trump is going to contest the election results if he doesn't win, can't see him not doing it. If we end up with another year of "hanging chads" I'm going to investigate living in the Antarctic or something.
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May 6, 2016 23:19
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My Imaginary GF posted:Rahm Emanuel: The man who managed to turn his city from Black Chicago and White Chicago to just Chicago. What's the point of it if he's going to get booted out?
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May 6, 2016 23:21
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My Imaginary GF posted:I don't loving understand why liberals have such a hard-on for rewarding failure and punishing innovation. If you aren't achieving impact with your current methods, change your goddamn methods. My kids are suffering from permanent whiplash due to literally every loving year the state "changing it's goddamned methods" so every revolving-door failure in the sec. of education seat can unzip and leave their mark on the school system. Couple that with tripling-down (working on quadrouple-down, we're going to catch up with KFC yet) on standardized testing and a sudden uptick of liability-paranoia that's driven a wedge between parents and schools (One parent only at all school functions. Who loves you more, Mom or Dad?) and what was once a good school district has completely cratered in less than 5 years. But hey, what do you expect out of the state that elected Rick loving Scott governor?
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May 6, 2016 23:36
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Harik posted:(One parent only at all school functions. Who loves you more, Mom or Dad?)
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Samurai Sanders posted:I recognize everything else but what the hell is this about? You maximize profits by cutting costs. Weak orange drinks and ham sandwiches cost you know. Your shareholders will love you for it.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Rahm Emanuel: The man who managed to turn his city from Black Chicago and White Chicago to just Chicago. Don't sign your posts.
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fits my needs posted:What's the point of it if he's going to get booted out? Maybe it's like the end of Watchmen.
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Cabbit posted:Maybe it's like the end of Watchmen. A naked blue man will explode his head?
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Shbobdb posted:Is this the new "Hillary is the real progressive"? No, of course she's moderate as all hell. (and if I could elect someone with Sanders' platform and Clinton's political strength I would, but that's not gonna happen. She'll still be the second-best president of my lifetime so far though.) The point of my post was "trying to get dissatisfied Republicans to vote for her" ≠ "swinging further rightward".
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^^ You were born in 2001 or later?  Or you think Hilary will be better than Bill (who was extremely good for the time, though yeah a lot of things like 3 strikes ultimately ended up being a bad thing). happyhippy posted:Said it before, Trump is going to contest the election results if he doesn't win, can't see him not doing it. If he loses in a blow out it won't matter. Contesting the results if Clinton has 270 EVs just from states with several percentage point leads will get his challenge thrown out or outright ignored. If the SCOTUS actually has to step in I don't think even the conservative justices would be able to pull Bush v. Gore style poo poo if handing Trump the win would require stealing multiple states and percentage points and they'd still only get a 4-4 ruling out of it and cause even more chaos.
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Evil Fluffy posted:^^ You were born in 2001 or later? Bush/Gore stuff only matters is there's half a chance a recount would do anything
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Evil Fluffy posted:^^ You were born in 2001 or later? Born exactly one year after Bush 1 took office. And I guess yeah, I'm expecting her to be a bit better than Bill, even if partly because of the changing culture. Relative to the times I guess that's a harder call, but I'm still hopeful. It's not that high a bar to clear.
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