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Zephyrine posted:Internal security, under lid by security staff. No problem. It wasn't 'made public to use it against you' but then lots of other people have already pointed out how you're being dumb over the blacklist and how it works, despite that being the only way any functioning blacklist could work.
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Zephyrine posted:Shooting in game is of course not even close to this. The only reason you are concerned about GSF still knowing who your alts are, after you told them who your alts were, is because it means they can be shot in game now that you've joined GSF's in game enemies. Your objection to this makes no goddamned sense.
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May 8, 2016 19:24
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Zephyrine posted:It's like the level GSF can't help but play this game on. No it would be the equivalent of GSF making a deal with another player to buy up property so you can't create a monopoly on a colour. In other words, part of the game rules. It's a really big stretch to complain that GSF are using game mechanics as intended against you, and that this is somehow "bad", just because you don't like it.
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May 8, 2016 19:29
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The monopoly example is fun though, because it's an example of a game where people get really mad when you simply use the rules of the game to your advantage.
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May 8, 2016 19:30
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Zephyrine posted:Internal security, under lid by security staff. No problem. What information of yours was made public? Other than character names you willingly entered into the corp security system?
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May 8, 2016 19:40
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Angelique we're actually dispatching a crack team of Russians to cut the power to your house as I write this
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May 8, 2016 19:47
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I feel like it's 2008 again with all this whining about APIs, christ.
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May 8, 2016 19:52
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Zephyrine posted:It's like the level GSF can't help but play this game on. You have a fragile mind. You are the enemy. You told leadership who your alts are.
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May 8, 2016 19:53
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LemonDrizzle posted:If it bothers you that much, why not just sell the flagged jf/cyno alts and buy clean ones? This makes the most sense if it's really that big of a deal. Characters are pretty much fungible since brain goo was introduced and for a JF alt you'll always get 80% of the SP back. Call the rest you have to make up the cost of doing business, the cost of bitching so much about your former alliance in the very forum they originate from, or a combination or both as it suits you to get over this and just move on. Zeph is it your job now to just bash goons every chance you get? I don't understand all of this because I always thought you were a nice person and chill, but yet here you are. It's like listening to my ex-wife talk about me. We got divorced and suddenly she's running around telling all of my friends that I did  Sure I did it, but that doesn't mean she has to go run and tell everyone that I did. Some things are best left unsaid, and every individual and group has its secrets or moments that maybe weren't their finest hour. I'm so bored of people leaving and then running their mouths about how horrible it was for so long. If it was horrible for a long time, why did you stay for so long? Why bother getting LAWN and FCON evacuated -- or did you do that to build up your own space heroine narrative? That's fine too, but you can't have it both ways. You're coming in here acting like a battered spouse and I just don't understand why. Yes, you had some folks that didn't like you and some of them are posting in this thread. By and large though you were extremely highly regarded and well liked. Why you would piss up a reputation of general integrity in order to prattle on about how persecuted you were/are makes no sense at all. I may have had disagreements with vyst but I will say at least he peaced out without making fallout. I think endie handled it the right way as well frankly. Others have been a real disappointment. I have more respect for someone who pulls a big ticket awox than I do for those engaging in all this kiss-and-tell nonsense on both here and reddit. If you're not going to do a good awox, then just quietly leave. I know that when I interview someone for a position in the real world and they start railing in on their former employer that is an automatic no from me when it's decision time on the candidate. P.S. If you fine folks have been enjoying my attempt at goodposting in this thread, you can show your appreciation by sending kilgarth some ISK. 
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Reverand maynard posted:You have a fragile mind. You are the enemy. You told leadership who your alts are. I mean- if her end goal is still the same, applying to a PL Corp requires you to publicly post all your alts (along with their eve-board/zkill pages) anyway. Really don't know why this is such a huge deal.
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May 8, 2016 19:58
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Lol requires you to post all alts? What you pinky swear all your accounts are listed?
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May 8, 2016 20:01
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frankly if zeph didn't whine about the blacklist every three pages i doubt anyone would ever have thought to look there for a list of her characters
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May 8, 2016 20:05
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Monopoly is a bad analogy, this is like a poker game where someone shows all their cards and is then like "GUYS GUYS GUYS I know you saw all of my cards but I'm going to start betting against you and you need to pinky promise to bet like you don't know what I have, that would be doxxing"  To my knowledge, you could have kept these characters on non-alliance accounts (no chars in GSF, no API); the API is something you do voluntarily on a neutral hauler for safety from Miniluv. Why you think nobody else in the game tries to identify/track their enemies' neutral alts is baffling. That's as "legitimate" as metagaming gets, it's not like these are totally independent characters where you're roleplaying someone totally unrelated to your main.
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May 8, 2016 20:06
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Morris posted:Why you think nobody else in the game tries to identify/track their enemies' neutral alts is baffling. The recent contact changes were a total nerf to this sadly, but it was also a nerf to "so and so just logged their super pilots on" which is nice. Fair trade I suppose.
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May 8, 2016 20:11
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Xolve posted:I mean- if her end goal is still the same, applying to a PL Corp requires you to publicly post all your alts (along with their eve-board/zkill pages) anyway. What if someones uses time limited APIs, would that lead to some trouble down the road when all the posted APIs with their alts just turn off? Or is it a case of one-time-only showing your alts and nobody cares of what happens a year later?
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May 8, 2016 20:12
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Libluini posted:What if someones uses time limited APIs, would that lead to some trouble down the road when all the posted APIs with their alts just turn off? Or is it a case of one-time-only showing your alts and nobody cares of what happens a year later? basically no organization lets you use a limited-time API, as they rely on being able to verify your poo poo as long as you're part of the org
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May 8, 2016 20:25
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Libluini posted:What if someones uses time limited APIs, would that lead to some trouble down the road when all the posted APIs with their alts just turn off? Or is it a case of one-time-only showing your alts and nobody cares of what happens a year later? You can cancel an api as soon as you leave, but every corp that checks them will remember what the alt names were.
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May 8, 2016 20:27
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I don't know who her alts are. I have no access to that info. So it's hardly public.
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Despera posted:Lol requires you to post all alts? What you pinky swear all your accounts are listed? Most groups use a Full API to try to make hidden accounts obvious. GSFs API requirements are actually really light. Even most highsec corps need a Full API. CainFortea posted:I don't know who her alts are. I have no access to that info. So it's hardly public. Guess she meta-gamed herself there.
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May 8, 2016 20:59
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bro im going to meta game you
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May 8, 2016 21:05
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Zephyrine posted:Internal security, under lid by security staff. No problem. Listen. I liked you. I think you did a lot for GSF, but at the same time you made money off of it. It's not like you're some total saint. You chose to leave. Fine. You felt there was shady poo poo. Fine. But you made a spectacle of the whole thing, and immediately moved to shipping for the people living in and invading the space Imperium used to hold. You turned your logistics alts and freighter jumping into a STRATEGIC ASSET for the Imperiums enemies. What did you possibly think would happen? And now you keep whining about it. If you'd peaced out quietly and prepped an isntant message to people who were asking about you, nobody would've cared, but you turned yourself into a propaganda and strategic enemy. You've been a part of GSF for how long and you don't know that part of this whole game is narrative and propaganda driven? Of course people will dredge up bad things to say about you and disseminate your alts to miniluv. Frankly, grow up. If you don't like it, go play hello kitty online. Thats a game for babies.
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Foehammer007 posted:bro im going to meta game you dont doxx my freighter alts pls
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pseudanonymous posted:Listen. I liked you. I think you did a lot for GSF, but at the same time you made money off of it. It's not like you're some total saint. Yes this. I am sort of a neutral bystander because I dont know zeph and dont give a gently caress about him. When he left I felt sympathy for him and I thought he was leaving in a classy way, even if he tried to grab his 5 minutes of fame. Then this whole API thing happend. Jfc. It is just embarasing. First of all, I hardly think it was public. Second, you made a choice a while back to have your alts safe from miniluv by submiting all the info to the alliance. Then you threw a temper tantrum and went to the enemy, without remembering that the people you asked for protection first are now your number one enemy. How is that possible? Doxxing is gross, but this has nothing to do with it. I really hope miniluv gets you a few times. In this lovely thread you stand out, congrats. See what you made me do?! I posted. Mad.
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RVCMF misses you, VG. I've been answering questions in the corp/public channel while you're gone but things have slowed down a lot. Fortunately everyone in the backlog waiting to get into corp seems to be cool about it. No problems to report, but it'll be nice when you're back. My other character joined Groon and I'm excited to heal some spaceships.
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okay zeph are you girl or guy im so sick of every other post changing your gender.
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Glory of Arioch posted:basically no organization lets you use a limited-time API, as they rely on being able to verify your poo poo as long as you're part of the org evilweasel posted:You can cancel an api as soon as you leave, but every corp that checks them will remember what the alt names were. Thanks! It's always interesting to here how player organizations are handling this kind of stuff.
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May 8, 2016 21:55
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He's a she
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May 8, 2016 21:56
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Foehammer007 posted:okay zeph I am from one of those filthy countries where we use 'he' if the gender is unknown. #patriarchy
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Thatim posted:I am from one of those filthy countries where we use 'he' if the gender is unknown. Lurkers usually read. Also if you don't know their gender 3rd person plural works fine.
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May 8, 2016 21:59
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quote:Zephyrine claims to be a porpoise.
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May 8, 2016 22:03
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Foehammer007 posted:bro im going to meta game you is that what we call it now
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Thatim posted:I am from one of those filthy countries where we use 'he' if the gender is unknown. gently caress the German language. That is all. God i hated learning it
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vyst posted:gently caress the German language. That is all. God i hated learning it guten tag wie gehts es dir? I think I spelled those right its only been seven years 
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Khablam posted:is that what we call it now we can call it whatever you want bb 
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das/die/der/die/den/dem/des/whatever I am forgetting is just way too many articles, generally
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Foehammer007 posted:okay zeph The profile states gender is 'Porpoise'. 
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evilweasel posted:You can cancel an api as soon as you leave, but every corp that checks them will remember what the alt names were. This. Worst case, someone sells characters (or hoovers out the SP with skill extractors and creates a new character) and you can't track them trivially anymore. One of the most frequent tasks of CD, ironically, is "one of our allies just bought this character on Char Bazaar and it's blacklisted, can you get the blacklist entry removed please." Sometimes, it's handy too. I enjoy loading up the list of Narciss' characters every once in a while just to see who's getting corpthefted next.
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