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Voodoo posted:RIP Shaggydog. Not empty quoting. Seriously RR what the hell guy?
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LOL if this is a gimmick by the Umbers and they somehow found some random rear end not-Shaggydog direwolf to use for that, as if Shags would be cool with that.
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May 9, 2016 03:42
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:
In the books wasn't the fight on horseback and Ned fell or something?
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May 9, 2016 03:47
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:And OH MY GOD, that Tower of Joy scene. was Ned ever established as being one of the greatest swordsman who ever lived? I don't remember this to be true. Also, how exactly did you think the ToJ fight went down with Reed. I always imagined Reed to cheapshot Dayne somehow.
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May 9, 2016 04:01
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TommyGun85 posted:was Ned ever established as being one of the greatest swordsman who ever lived? I don't remember this to be true. Barristan Selmy was afraid of him, Jaime couldn't land a blow on him, and he killed Arthur Dayne. There's also the whole never fighting in tournaments thing because he wasn't a showoff. That's practically a blind swordsman / Wong Fei-hung / Zatoichi level of mythos about a character's skills in combat.
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May 9, 2016 04:28
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Kinda sad we didn't get Arya warging into a cat
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May 9, 2016 04:42
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Voodoo posted:RIP Shaggydog. sad  But on a positive note, this episode was one step closer to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FGT7NzqDRU TommyGun85 posted:I always imagined Reed to cheapshot Dayne somehow. Same here - we knew he wasn't a knight. I almost pictured him using some greenseer poo poo to distract one of them or something. I never visualized it as some sort of dumb 4v1 - dayne would maybe get one good shot in before they took him down, now matter how many swords he had. I like how they are drawing out the whole TOJ scene for the Jon is a Targ moment. Seriously though, doesn't the pacing seem really slow - we have so many plots to go through, and just not that many seasons left. Do we really need a kingsmoot? Isn't winter coming at some point? poo poo needs to move forward with like blinding speed. kcroy fucked around with this message at 05:20 on May 9, 2016 |
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May 9, 2016 05:14
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:LOL if this is a gimmick by the Umbers and they somehow found some random rear end not-Shaggydog direwolf to use for that, as if Shags would be cool with that. I thought about that, and was hoping for a moment, but like... what do they gain by turning him over? If they were planning for a betrayal why not just bend the knee or something.
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May 9, 2016 05:21
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It's really funny how badly written a lot of the show is now that they don't have that fat gently caress's dialogue to rely on. I don't get it though because they wrote some good show only stuff in the first few seasons but seasons 5 and 6 have just been such poo poo with the writing.
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May 9, 2016 05:22
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GRRM quit writing Tyrion's dialogue so tonight we had that 4 minutes of dead air where he talks to Misandry and Grey Worm. Thank god we left out Strong Belwas and Wyman Manderly and Lady Stoneheart so we could have scenes like that.
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May 9, 2016 05:31
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:GRRM quit writing Tyrion's dialogue so tonight we had that 4 minutes of dead air where he talks to Misandry and Grey Worm. There is something vaguely pleasing about how the show has the exact opposite problem of the books in that it eschews all character development and world building in favor of rushing the plot forward. And also they can't really write dialogue without GRMM because they're hack writers. And yet I watch because they have the occasional good scene and I'm a sad pathetic human being who desires closure and knows he won't get it from the fat man ever.
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May 9, 2016 05:33
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e: ^^ At this point I just want to see Jon Snow go primal on the Boltons and the houses that follow him, then replace all them with the various Wildling clans. The whole "they see you as a god" stuff would be as good a reason as any for the wildlings to suddenly bend the knee rather than simply follow like they did with Mance. Just thing, we could end up with House Giantsbane.  I have to say I found the whole "man look at Ser Gregor" "I can't believe what they did to Gregor" "wow Gregor's a loving zombie" thing in the episode. The book goes about with the whole Robert Strong thing and HBO was just like "nah gently caress that dumb bullshit, everyone knows who this seven plus foot monster is and lets not pretend otherwise." TommyGun85 posted:was Ned ever established as being one of the greatest swordsman who ever lived? I don't remember this to be true. He wasn't any better than what you'd expect from the son of a great house. Sandor and Gregor are probably the two biggest battlefield terrors (in both size and skill) when ASOIAF take place and that's not including Essos fighters like Drogo or Belwas. kcroy posted:sad I'm really sad the Kingsmoot stuff is happening. I hope this season ends with all the Ironborn dead and god willing we won't see anything more from Dorne because yeah, with the number of PoVs we have to go through each one of them gets what, maybe a bit over an hour of screen time for the entire season? Nine episodes in the season and we have Jon, Dany, Arya, Sansa, Ironbore, Tyrion, Sam, Ramsay, and all the King's Landing poo poo. I'm probably forgetting someone too. I guess Daario and the other guy? I hope this season ends with the masters coming to siege Mereen and Dany's just like "nope gently caress this poo poo we're gone" and she manages to get ships and take her core people and the Unsullied to Westeros, or she leaves them to defend the city, tells everyone to fight for their freedom or give up and go back to being slaves, and leaves with Tyrion and co on the dragons. Mereen's dumb like Dorne. kcroy posted:I thought about that, and was hoping for a moment, but like... what do they gain by turning him over? If they were planning for a betrayal why not just bend the knee or something. Even in the books a bunch of houses are suddenly and illogically ok with backing not only a house that plotted to betray and murder their liege lord with enemies who loving hate the north, but are also a house that is hated by the north. Didn't the Boltons kidnap and torture some Karstarks when Ned's dad was still around? Manderly's the only house that seems to be acting in a rational way, ie: "the Boltons are loving insane and Ramsay is an insane monster who will murder us all on a whim we need to depose their asses if at all possible." Or was it the Umbers who were basically told "we have the Greatjohn, obey or he dies?" Whereas the TV setup is "Greatjohn died, son left behind is a massive loving tool." Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 05:46 on May 9, 2016 |
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May 9, 2016 05:43
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Wait, didn't the entire harbour of Meereen get burned two episodes ago? How exactly was Varys going to send prostitute assassin away on a ship?
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May 9, 2016 06:10
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Interesting line by Allister Thorne - "you'll be fighting their battles forever." Maybe reading way too much into it but it's cool if it's a nod to the Azor Ahai reborn and cyclical nature of things.
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May 9, 2016 06:22
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kcroy posted:I thought about that, and was hoping for a moment, but like... what do they gain by turning him over? If they were planning for a betrayal why not just bend the knee or something. My only thought on him not bending the knee is this way he's not breaking a promise if he is setting him up. Of course this is probably going to be played as straight as possible and the Umbers really are siding with the Boltons, so it doesn't matter.
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May 9, 2016 06:23
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24-7 Urkel Cosplay posted:My only thought on him not bending the knee is this way he's not breaking a promise if he is setting him up. Of course this is probably going to be played as straight as possible and the Umbers really are siding with the Boltons, so it doesn't matter. Nah, there's almost no way the Umbers aren't double crossing Ramsay. The Umber leader in the show refused to kneel or make any oaths, repeatedly called Roose Bolton a oval office, and refused to acknowledge Ramsay's "poisoned by our enemies" story. He then trots out a severed wolf head, but it's probably a fake, and his whole song and dance about needing the Bolton's help to fight the wildlings is just a...Shaggy dog story. John will probably march on Winterfell with a wildling army, but Ramsay will be all "nyah nyah, I have your brother, gently caress off or he dies", then the Umbers will go "lol, nope" and stab him in the back. Or they are actually playing it straight. Which would be kind of silly, but, eh, so was Stannis deciding to burn Shireen, so who knows.
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May 9, 2016 06:44
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Fhate posted:Nah, there's almost no way the Umbers aren't double crossing Ramsay. The Umber leader in the show refused to kneel or make any oaths, repeatedly called Roose Bolton a oval office, and refused to acknowledge Ramsay's "poisoned by our enemies" story. He then trots out a severed wolf head, but it's probably a fake, and his whole song and dance about needing the Bolton's help to fight the wildlings is just a...Shaggy dog story. Either one of two things will happen: Umber's are legit siding with a house they should (and do) loving loathe because... something, in which case Rickon's going to be a flayed corpse on display for Jon when he marches on Winterfell. or The Umbers are being used in place of Manderly for "find Rickon, gently caress the Boltons" in which case Rickon will probably be made lord of Winterfell and supported by Jon after Ramsay's finally crushed under all of his plot armor. Though that wolf's head that was brought in looked very normal-sized, but that could just be due to laziness on the show's part. Though Grey Wind was massive when he was brought to Jaime's cage in season 2 IIRC. The look Rickon gives Umber is some pretty major loathing though. It's probably the former because it'll be 'dark' and 'shocking' or whatever. 
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May 9, 2016 07:05
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If the Umbers are backstabbing Ramsay, I figure it's: the little fight between Umber and Karstark was an act, they're plotting together to make
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May 9, 2016 07:09
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Curious, how many people think AA is Jon vs Dany? Not to argue a point or anything, just want to see some people's reasoning. Dany fits it all to a T imho esp. I mean she's got salt when she was born on the sea, smoke when she burned Drogo and woke the dragons, from petrified eggs so stone. And the comet came that morning and isn't there some poo poo about the stars bleeding in the prophecy? Like there was also a comet when Aegon was born which made Rhaegar think he must be PtwP/AA. Also imho Lightbringer could very easily be her dragons (or just Drogon specifically), sacrificing and burning Drogo working toward waking them w/ dat blood magic. Basically Aemon was right all along is what I'm gettin at here. Though with aDwD Jon has a few more things lining up just right with it all, and I almost wonder if that's just a part of the dragon having three heads. That three people who all fit the bill of this propecy will all fulfill it in some form and all be important in the battle against the Others. Kind of like how both Harry and Neville counted for the 'gna kill Voldemort' prophecy and Harry was just the unlucky sap Voldemort picked for infanticide.
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May 9, 2016 07:21
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An extra who supposedly took part in The Battle of the Bastards leaked a bunch of stuff a couple months ago. Some of it has since been confirmed in the trailers that were released well afterwards. One of the plot details he gave was that just prior to the battle Ramsey sends Rickon running out into no mans land and shoots him dead with an arrow to make Jon angry.
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May 9, 2016 07:29
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Evil Fluffy posted:Put that in plate mail and have them wielding a zweihander (with one hand) and it'd be pretty terrifying. Hell even guys like Dave Bautista look massive when you meet them in person and Bautista's "only" 6'6" by comparison. Especially in a medieval world where the average height is like 5'7".
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May 9, 2016 07:35
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:An extra who supposedly took part in The Battle of the Bastards leaked a bunch of stuff a couple months ago. Some of it has since been confirmed in the trailers that were released well afterwards. One of the plot details he gave was that just prior to the battle Ramsey sends Rickon running out into no mans land and shoots him dead with an arrow to make Jon angry. "Kill another kid for shock value, the audience doesn't hate Ramsay enough yet."
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May 9, 2016 07:35
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Kavak posted:"Kill another kid for shock value, the audience doesn't hate Ramsay enough yet." Yeah, it would be pretty stupid and serve no purpose. Crap, it's probably exactly what happens. Even if it doesn't Rickon's probably gonna bite it. I wonder what they'll do with Osha-"I haven't been on this show in like 3 years"-The Wildling. Probably something gross involving Ramsay. Maybe we'll all get lucky and she'll shove Ramsay up the rear end of the closest moose, but I doubt it.
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May 9, 2016 07:43
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If you weren't mad enough already the spoilers also say that Ramsey kills Wun Wun by shooting him in the eye. Which seems ridiculous since how the gently caress would that kill a giant but you never know with this show.
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May 9, 2016 07:45
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Fhate posted:Or they are actually playing it straight. Which would be kind of silly, but, eh, so was Stannis deciding to burn Shireen, so who knows. I totally forgot about that. How loving dumb is Stannis, anyway? Does he really think his bannermen are going to put someone who'd burn his own daughter as a sacrifice to his god on the throne?
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May 9, 2016 07:52
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Ginette Reno posted:It's really funny how badly written a lot of the show is now that they don't have that fat gently caress's dialogue to rely on. I don't get it though because they wrote some good show only stuff in the first few seasons but seasons 5 and 6 have just been such poo poo with the writing. PLAY WITH HER ARSE
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May 9, 2016 08:30
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If the book ever comes out, if, and it has a single loving scintilla of overlap with the show, I'm going to poo poo out my heart and eat it. God drat. What a loving terrible show. There's basically no literary journey that could make shaggy dog's head being meat hooked onto ramsay's table worth it. If you think there is any further subtlety left for this horseshit production I'd like to point you to every bran flashback where he says "that's ned's sister, my aunt" or "that's my dad, and his friend howland reed, meera's dad". The show runners do not respect anyone's intelligence now. The umbers are not playing a long game. There is not enough time in this horseshit for anything less than who stabs who and surface text. Nobody is going to be saying anything less than what they wholly unironically mean from here on out. Nobody is going to say poo poo that doesn't directly lead to a shocking stabbing. gently caress. Except jonathan pryce gets to explain what mothers are on mother's day. poo poo that's what that was. gently caress me for thinking lady stone heart might come back. We get a loving speech on what mothers are on mother's day. Great. That was fifteen loving minutes that wasn't needed elsewhere.
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May 9, 2016 10:05
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I know it's pointless to think about since the book is never coming out, but Jesus think of how nicely we could speak of GRRM in comparison to the show, now. Stannis is on his way to Winterfell with Asha, Lady Mormont, the dude from the Iron Bank, etc. to kill Roose and Ramsay. Fat Wyman Manderly. Theon is running off with Mance Rayder. Rickon is the Cannibal King of Skaagos. Sansa is with Littlefinger in the Vale. There's like 100 characters in place to make the North interesting. In the show Ramsay is poo poo and the north is poo poo.
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May 9, 2016 12:36
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I'm still looking forward to the Freys getting utterly hosed by everything everything in Stephenie Meyer presents George R.R. Martin's The Winds of Winter. My entire interaction with the show at this point is just reading this thread after an episode to revel in you guys reacting to the poo poo. I'm still not okay with what they did to my boy, the one true king of Westeros, Stannis Baratheon.
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May 9, 2016 12:54
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The preview shows Sansa and Brienne entering what we assume is castle black in the next episode, I expect a pink letter moment to occur soon enough as Jon will ride south to rescue Rickon. Brienne and Podrick are still slated to appear at Riverrun before the end of the season, who knows if Sansa tags along with them or not but it would seem they kinda have to head south in the next episode or the one after.
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May 9, 2016 12:55
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Krinkle posted:If the book ever comes out, if, and it has a single loving scintilla of overlap with the show, I'm going to poo poo out my heart and eat it. God drat. What a loving terrible show. The show is not supposed to respect anyone's intelligence. It's supposed to be comprehensible to a somewhat interested viewer who's dicking on his phone at the same time.
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May 9, 2016 13:11
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How could the show kill shaggy dog when the entire point of the story is dany or maybe Davos seeing him and saying he's not really that shaggy
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May 9, 2016 14:10
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jsoh posted:How could the show kill shaggy dog when the entire point of the story is dany or maybe Davos seeing him and saying he's not really that shaggy Gurm clearly gave them fake notes.
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May 9, 2016 14:11
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mcustic posted:The show is not supposed to respect anyone's intelligence. It's supposed to be comprehensible to a somewhat interested viewer who's dicking on his phone at the same time. Hey I resemble that remark
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May 9, 2016 14:15
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Show Jon was at Hardhome, fought an Other, and literally saw the Nights King raising a wight army. Instead of coming back from the dead to face this very real threat he's all gently caress this poo poo, I'm out!
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May 9, 2016 14:17
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I read his initial attitude being more along the lines of "I thought I had all the right answers but they got me killed so I'm once again full of doubts" and at the end him casting away his cloak wasn't about 'gently caress this poo poo' but more about "gently caress the watch, gently caress my vows, the old ways don't matter any more".
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May 9, 2016 14:31
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also, didn't Jon Show already know about the Bolton's in Winterfell? he's doin' the obvious thing of going to reclaim his home so that he can protect the north as its lord. episode was okay. the early seasons of this show were pretty fun, but the writing is all over the place now. chalk me up as another goon just stickin' around for closure, I guess. holy poo poo, though, that Tyrion, Grey Worm, and Missandei scene. if anything, Tyrion just highlighted how loving boring the other two characters are. (I did laugh, though).
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May 9, 2016 14:51
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Lord Jon Stark can go south, take Winterfell, and command the entire North and probably the Vale and the Riverlands to march 150,000 dudes against the Others. Commander Snow has 18 nights watch and like 200 Wildlings to fight off the undead. There's a very obvious narrative reason Zombie Jon is quitting the NW.
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May 9, 2016 14:52
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A GLISTENING HODOR posted:And OH MY GOD, that Tower of Joy scene. And you left out the dialogue. How can these idiots ever be trusted to write dialogue themselves when they're given good dialogue and turn it to poo poo? The Show posted:Lord Stark. The book posted:“I looked for you on the Trident,” Ned said to them. Ned also acted and looked nothing like Sean Bean. Given how dull the rest of this episode was, I think they must have thought that this was going to be the good scene of the episode. Please can we have another book now?
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More like they're going to have the Night King destroy The Wall with the horn of winter and then Jon's going to have to rally everyone to Winterfell since the place's defenses held against the Others the last time they invaded. If Ramsay actually gets to kill Wun Wun with a loving arrow to the eye that might be more loving retarded than anything else so far this season, but they still have time to do something worse, even if he is supposed to be a really good archer (or is that just a show thing?). e: If GRRM gives the slightest poo poo about writing the next book he'll have a launch date posted in the credits of the season finale but I don't think "sometime before 2052" would mean much. Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 16:53 on May 9, 2016 |
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