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Best people for the job have careers and are employed. Why would they give that up for a shot at power for four years? Only the dumb/ naive would do that. So you get dumb/naive/underemployed people running for office and somehow it turns in to a career based on nepotism and partisanship with whoever can cheerlead the best rewarded with consistent employment; the others drop out.
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The person who ought to have power is usually not the person who asks for it.
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The Manitoba Liberal party is in such a hole because of her. There's rumours that they took out a half million dollar line of credit to fund their campaign due to the lack of donors and now the party has no money to pay it back. Also does anyone notice the hypocrisy of calling for the two peoples heads that called the Fort McMurray wildfires karmic? What happened to the free speech and all that other bullshit that people normally spout off about when people post stupid poo poo on social media. The only conclusion I can draw that all Canadians are assholes.
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May 9, 2016 17:31
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Free speech is great but maybe elected officials shouldn't claim that people who lost their homes in a mostly-natural disaster "had it coming" because they helped the Mordor Corporation.
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May 9, 2016 17:34
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flakeloaf posted:Free speech is great but maybe
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May 9, 2016 17:35
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You're free to say whatever you want but you're not free from the consequences. How is this hard to grasp?
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Vintersorg posted:You're free to say whatever you want but you're not free from the consequences. Well because that's not at all how it works. You're free to say whatever you want, and the government won't ruin your day (save for very specific cases), but from there on out you're on your own.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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In reality that is how it works. Your job finds out you're being a shithead and it can be linked back to you (fb profile, twitter, insta, etc etc)? See ya.
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Vintersorg posted:In reality that is how it works. Your job finds out you're being a shithead and it can be linked back to you (fb profile, twitter, insta, etc etc)? See ya. I'm okay with this and I think it's completely reasonable. I'm taking issue with the people that will argue against it when they think what was said was funny and argue for it when they disagree with what was said.
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Vintersorg posted:In reality that is how it works. Your job finds out you're being a shithead and it can be linked back to you (fb profile, twitter, insta, etc etc)? See ya. You find out one of your employees is being a shithead in ways that do not impact their performance on the job, they're part of a union, and you're dumb enough you can just up and fire them? Have fun losing that slam dunk of a grievance.
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May 9, 2016 18:43
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tagesschau posted:You find out one of your employees is being a shithead in ways that do not impact their performance on the job, they're part of a union, and you're dumb enough you can just up and fire them? Have fun losing that slam dunk of a grievance. Naturally, the union has also blocked all efforts to measure and quantify employee performance beyond simple attendance.
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Ikantski posted:Naturally, the union has also blocked all efforts to measure and quantify employee performance beyond simple attendance. And the metrics other than "does not perform job as laid out in job description" that justify firing are:
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I find the explanation of the karmic comment more offensive than the comment itself:quote:He has since apologized, saying fire evacuees “have my full support and sympathy,” and told Postmedia on Wednesday that he meant “karmic” to describe his own failure to inform people enough about climate change. Just admit you said something reprehensible in an emotional moment and that you regret it and here is your understanding of why it was wrong. It's laughable that these kinds of non-apologies in which the person claims 'actually I was saying something nice and self critical" have become so common that they don't even warrant notice most of the time. Ikantski posted:Naturally, the union has also blocked all efforts to measure and quantify employee performance beyond simple attendance. The union would be a pretty trivial and meaningless entity if any employer could just manufacture an excuse to fire union members. There's always going to be a trade off between protecting workers from arbitrary dismissal and making it easy to get rid of genuinely unfit employees.
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Is there anyone here who can explain the significance of Canada adopting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples? It seems like a big step.
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he was done a favour taber is a shithole, locals will drink in their trucks and go shoot small animals for fun
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tagesschau posted:You find out one of your employees is being a shithead in ways that do not impact their performance on the job, they're part of a union, and you're dumb enough you can just up and fire them? Have fun losing that slam dunk of a grievance.  Ok.Let's continue to let shitheads thrive and get away with whatever the gently caress. "Jerry can still push a pencil! I don't care that he hates women."
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tagesschau posted:You find out one of your employees is being a shithead in ways that do not impact their performance on the job, they're part of a union, and you're dumb enough you can just up and fire them? Have fun losing that slam dunk of a grievance. The fact you're a cancer to the team and nobody wants to work with you doesn't impact your job performance. Nope, nosiree Bob. Employers should always just eat the costs (ideally by arranging a payout that is fair, but if that's not possible by dealing with the lawsuit) and fire shitheads. The long term cost to the organization is lower.
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What is even being argued about at this point? I've lost the plot of whatever digression this thread is on.
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Job Creators should be able to fire you without good cause. Unions make this difficult and are therefore bad.
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THC posted:Job Creators should be able to fire you without good cause. Unions make this difficult and are therefore bad. Being a shithead that makes the employer/employees look worse by association is 100% grounds for termination dude
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TheKingofSprings posted:Being a shithead that makes the employer/employees look worse by association is 100% grounds for termination dude
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TheKingofSprings posted:Being a shithead that makes the employer/employees look worse by association is 100% grounds for termination dude , he posted, on a website that publicly mocked a woman for having several miscarriages. Clean out your desk, you misogynist scum by association.
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tagesschau posted:And the metrics other than "does not perform job as laid out in job description" that justify firing are: "The province has not increased our budget therefore we need to replace your position with 2 part time workers who have half the education you do, your bad for choosing a career in nursing instead of teaching". quote:The Ontario Nurses' Association (ONA) and the provincial NDP called on the government to implement an immediate moratorium on cuts to registered nurse (RN) positions today.
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I can see business worried about losing customers who don't want to deal with a publicly outed shitbag and figure getting rid of the shitbag will bring their potential lost customers back. Also, keeping someone like that can imply you and your company agrees with what the employee was publicly outed for, and a lot of business have gone on record stating they terminated the person due to conflicting values and not wanting to be associated with those opinions. Politicians have to resign all the time when they make garbage comments (except Rob Ford) so it should be no surprise when that extends to the private sector.
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Speaking of le petit gars du Shawinigan Former prime minister Jean Chrétien says it's time for Canada to decriminalize marijuana possession, saying the change is long overdue. The former prime minister says it is unacceptable for anyone to be saddled with a criminal record for simply smoking marijuana.
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^Pot? I use it to boil my egg. I'm on the losing end of this one, but if the reputation of the shitbag hooking up your air conditioner or nailing your roof down means anything at all to you then maybe you should never talk to any tradesman ever, because having lovely opinions and being able to do your job really really well aren't mutually exclusive, and people who run these companies give exactly no fucks about their guys' ability to do anything other than the thing for which they were hired.
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flakeloaf posted:^Pot? I use it to boil my egg. People can think whatever lovely thing they want, it's only when they mention it or act it out that other individuals are free to respond appropriately. If employers could read minds there'd be very few people actually still at most jobs, I imagine, but they can't and so the system "works" TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 21:09 on May 9, 2016 |
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quote:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/tom-moffatt-karmic-tweet-fort-mcmurray-fire-suspension-1.3573156?cmp=rss https://twitter.com/TownofTaber/status/728748329941618688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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flakeloaf posted:^Pot? I use it to boil my egg. You speak truth. The crew that did our drywall was a scary bunch of red neck substance abusers but drat they did good work. Flip side of the conversation is the possibility of a government scientist having their career impacted because he/she published a paper that didn't confirm the opinions of a cabinet full of young earth creationists, tar sand pounders, and other denialists. A strictly hypothetical situation, of course.
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Trudeau turned down all the international help http://globalnews.ca/news/2689492/trudeau-turns-down-russian-u-s-mexican-offers-to-help-battle-fort-mcmurray-wildfire/ quote:OTTAWA – Russia, the U.S., Mexico, Australia, Taiwan, Israel and the Palestinian Authority have all offered help in fighting the northern Alberta wildfire, but Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says there’s no need for international assistance.
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TheKingofSprings posted:People can think whatever lovely thing they want, it's only when they mention it or act it out that other individuals are free to respond appropriately. People who say things I find repugnant should be rendered completely unemployable!
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tagesschau posted:People who say things I find repugnant should be rendered completely unemployable! I personally vet every single person I do business with and if they don't align with my personal poo poo ideology I refuse to work with them or let them work for me
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Why not just take the loving help, Jesus loving Christ, Trudeau? "I'll buy your cab home." "No thanksh, I'm pretty sure I'm okay to drive *hic*" They are trying to do you a favour and it's a favour you could really use! I'm sure the Canadian firefighters could use a rest, even if we currently have adequate capacity.
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PT6A posted:Why not just take the loving help, Jesus loving Christ, Trudeau? Probably has something to do with it being Russia....but hey.
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No extra help is needed. They just need rain.
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tagesschau posted:People who say things I find repugnant should be rendered completely unemployable! I agree.
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What help could the Palestinian Authority possibly offer? They don't have any money and I'm fairly certain they have neither the skills nor equipment to fight forest fires.
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Chicken posted:What help could the Palestinian Authority possibly offer? They don't have any money and I'm fairly certain they have neither the skills nor equipment to fight forest fires.
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Chicken posted:What help could the Palestinian Authority possibly offer? They don't have any money and I'm fairly certain they have neither the skills nor equipment to fight forest fires. Maybe not forest fires, but I'm sure they have very good firefighters at fighting urban fires without good equipment. And those firefighters are used to doing it with bad equipment and without any respect too 
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