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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:Try Wonderful Doom too, it's like a cousin to Needs More Detail. I don't know.... All of the maps in Wonderful Doom come pretty close to carbon copies of the original maps. I'm looking for something a little different. It does come with new Thy Flesh Consumed maps that NMD lacks, so maybe I'll just play through those.
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Mak0rz - some more stuff you might like, from the depths of my doom.txt Doom 1: 2002 ADO Base Ganymede Complete (this might be harder than you are looking for but if I recall I played it with brutal doom so my perception may have been a bit warped) CH Retro DTWID: Lost Episodes Dark Side of Deimos Oblivion Redemption Visions of Eternity There are a fuckload of decent Doom 1 episodes out there that don't go crazy with detail or monster count, btw. Doom 2: Flashback To Hell Zone 300
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SavageMessiah posted:Mak0rz - some more stuff you might like, from the depths of my doom.txt Thanks, though I'm not necessarily looking for D1 wads. They get a little monotonous after some time because of the low enemy variety and lack of SSG. I'll probably only play through NMD and that'll be it for now. SavageMessiah posted:Doom 2: I will check these out, though!
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May 10, 2016 03:41
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gullah jack posted:I agree. I really miss the version of DoD before they went retail, 3.1b I think? I've been running a 1.3 server for the past four years until people finally stopped joining. You can still find some dads playing DoD 1.3 on weekends, though. 3.1b for life - I remember being pissed at them for removing bleeding and nerfing the Garand among other things. And they somehow made a few of the weapon models uglier in retail than in beta  Source was still fun but they way they changed up the weapon classes was dumb, I used to love using the Carbine but they restricted it to the rocket class and gave it like two magazines.
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Is there a way to get borderless window out of gzdoom? It likes to break if I run it fullscreen, for some reason.
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May 10, 2016 15:37
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Keiya posted:Is there a way to get borderless window out of gzdoom? It likes to break if I run it fullscreen, for some reason. I was having that problem with an earlier version, and updating to the latest version fixed it, for what it's worth.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fOpP8A7_KA EDIT: "I love this game" "It might be my favourite game of all time" "I've played it SO much" Meanwhile, they're constantly being surprised by enemy encounters. Never stop, James and Mike 
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May 10, 2016 16:46
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Just don't read the comments. @doom_txt has summarized them for you.
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May 10, 2016 17:17
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fOpP8A7_KA Hey man, not everyone's played Doom in the last 20 years, even if they were really fond of it in the past. Plus they have to play up their reactions for the YouTube crowd. I was mostly impressed with how they knew their music references and managed to play pretty well for "I clearly haven't played Doom in over a decade" on a controller on what looks like ITYTD by their ammo counts.
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May 10, 2016 17:28
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they should go all the way, plug the snes controller into C64 plugged into amber CRT monitor playing Brutal Doom for extra "idk what I'm doing but hey ad revenue"
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May 10, 2016 17:31
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Allright, so I bought a SC-55 Mk2 from somebody (in here?) last year and I just got around to hooking it up and then I loaded E1M1 and thought that I heard something a little different so I pulled an older SC-55 out of the closet and checked and yep... On a SC-55 Mk2, the guitar riffs in At Doom's Gate have a little extra stank on em. So that's today's Midi MomentTM
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May 10, 2016 17:36
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Yeah, DoD: Source servers will always have at least 10 men on mic minimum talking over each other. At least half WILL be southern, and at least half WILL be dudes past the age of 35. Almost all are guaranteed to be Republican, based on political comments I hear. At least one porn spray somewhere on the map. Sometimes custom announcer voices.
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Doctor Shitfaced posted:Yeah, DoD: Source servers will always have at least 10 men on mic minimum talking over each other. At least half WILL be southern, and at least half WILL be dudes past the age of 35. Almost all are guaranteed to be Republican, based on political comments I hear. At least one porn spray somewhere on the map. Sometimes custom announcer voices. Count yourself lucky - if you're playing Red Orchestra, those 10 people are instead likely to be enthusiastic Nazi apologists.
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May 10, 2016 19:10
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You know, I probably know most of the Chex Quest 1 maps better than I do the Doom maps after Episode 1... but gently caress Arboretum. I always forget where the blue key is, and then there's the maze of twisty little passages that don't appear on the map.
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May 10, 2016 19:16
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Just took a picture of my classic FPS boxes for the doom thread so I'll post it here too cuz why not I've got a few others too that didn't fit in this picture like Daikatana and Deus Ex, and then a bunch of other non-shooter games like classic blizzard titles. They don't make em like they used to! 
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May 10, 2016 19:45
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Zaphod42 posted:They don't make em like they used to! This is true; they literally do not manufacture them as they did back then. Or manufacture them at all 
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May 10, 2016 19:56
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Zaphod42 posted:They don't make em like they used to! (...I'm still tempted to get Doom 4 physical, in spite of it being irreparably tied to my Steam account thus making just buying straight from Steam more practical, but...)
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Shadow Hog posted:For instance, they don't even bother putting a game you can run independent of an online service in the box anymore! Yeah, this is the worst. Steam games can't even be installed without an internet connection and Steam account, meaning you can't even have a crack saved elsewhere just in case. Physical Steam games are completely useless these days. See MGS5 which just had an 8mb steam setup file on the disc.
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May 10, 2016 20:00
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Shadow Hog posted:For instance, they don't even bother putting a game you can run independent of an online service in the box anymore! Sure they do! Just not on PC.
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Convex posted:Physical Steam games are completely useless these days. See MGS5 which just had an 8mb steam setup file on the disc. This will never stop being funny to me. They could have save money by just putting some rocks in the box and a piece of paper with "www.steampowered.com" on it.
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Convex posted:Yeah, this is the worst. Steam games can't even be installed without an internet connection and Steam account, meaning you can't even have a crack saved elsewhere just in case. Nothing's stopping you from burning some cracked installer+data to a DVD (or I suppose these days, a Blu-Ray considering the size of a lot of games). I mean you're already talking cracks, so that would probably already block you from normal multiplayer etc.
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May 10, 2016 20:21
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fishmech posted:Nothing's stopping you from burning some cracked installer+data to a DVD (or I suppose these days, a Blu-Ray considering the size of a lot of games). I mean you're already talking cracks, so that would probably already block you from normal multiplayer etc. Yeah but I can do that without having to buy a physical copy anyway!
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Convex posted:Yeah, this is the worst. Steam games can't even be installed without an internet connection and Steam account, meaning you can't even have a crack saved elsewhere just in case. Even worse, imagine how many physical copies of Team Fortress 2 that stores like Gamestop were left holding on to after Valve made it free.  I don't really care about that though because gently caress Gamestop.
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Zaphod42 posted:Even worse, imagine how many physical copies of Team Fortress 2 that stores like Gamestop were left holding on to after Valve made it free. Those are at least worth something. Redeeming a physical copy of TF2 or owning it before the F2P transition is the only way to get a remnant of TF2's Invasion era of development in-game: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Proof_of_Purchase I really regret deleting this hat years ago. 
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I was looking at the system requirements for Doom 4, and it's got a similar story.US Gamer | Doom PC Specs posted:Space Required: 55 GB free HDD space "We could only fit 18% of the game files on the disc, so you'll have to download the other 82%. Hope you don't have a data cap!" What makes the physical copy thing even more frustrating is that after you've registered the game to Steam, the disc is basically worthless. I remembering buying a used copy Mafia II a few years ago, only to realize that I couldn't install it because the included key had already been registered to another account (to be fair though, the place I bought it from caught on to that issue not too long after, and had a list of games they wouldn't accept.) Even putting that aside, installing from the disc is still sort of pointless, as Steam would still need to download files to update it anyway.
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I mean, most computers never had a bluray drive, and many don't really have a DVD drive. You can only fit 4 to 8GB on a regular DVD, so there's not a lot they can do without spending a lot more money to print 10 DVD's for the few people that can't download it through Steam but still want the PC version.
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A bit bullet-heavy for my tastes (I prefer more esoteric guns), but Pillowblaster knows how to make some satisfying guns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hZnS45rEdE
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Dominic White posted:A bit bullet-heavy for my tastes (I prefer more esoteric guns), but Pillowblaster knows how to make some satisfying guns.  That minigun/50.cal combo. This is the real reason we ended the cold war.
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Elliotw2 posted:I mean, most computers never had a bluray drive, and many don't really have a DVD drive. You can only fit 4 to 8GB on a regular DVD, so there's not a lot they can do without spending a lot more money to print 10 DVD's for the few people that can't download it through Steam but still want the PC version. There's dual-layered DVDs, but I don't know how much more those can hold in comparison. I don't know if it's changed, but I heard cost was a big reason why Blu-Ray drives haven't become a standard for PCs. The fact you have to pay royalties to Sony to put media on Blu-Rays might also be a contributing factor. All I know is that I found it hilarious that the PC version GTA5 shipped on 7 DVDs, especially when you realize that Take-Two was doing the same thing about 20 years ago with FMV games like Ripper (6 discs) and Black Dahlia (8 discs). I can't remember what it was, but there was a game that had a CD-ROM version that had something like 12 discs for installation (I want to say it was Final Fantasy 11, but I can't find anything to confirm that.)
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Max Wilco posted:There's dual-layered DVDs, but I don't know how much more those can hold in comparison. 8.5GB is indeed the limit of DL DVD. Or to be more contextually accurate, 7.91 GiB, but yes you've identified the problem. 55GiB is about 7-8 DVDs worth of distribution, and with blu-ray drives being too expensive and thus too niche for standard PC use, a lot of publishers are being backed into a corner. You'll notice the cost of the console versions is ~$10-20 (going by NZD here) higher than the PC version, some of that is licensing, some of it is disc printing. From my best educated guess, the bulk cost of printing blu-rays (which almost no-one could use) or a full DVD set for the PC wouldn't be able to recover costs and stay less than/equal to that of the console discs at this time. Basically the only way this could be fixed is if the price of blu-ray drives suddenly dropped for PCs. I don't see Sony permitting that any time soon. Fun fact: The PC version would still be 10GiB larger than a DL Blu-Ray (46.56 GiB). Rocket Pan fucked around with this message at 02:54 on May 11, 2016 |
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May 11, 2016 02:48
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Rocket Pan posted:8.5GB is indeed the limit of DL DVD. Or to be more contextually accurate, 7.91 GiB, but yes you've identified the problem. 55GiB is about 7-8 DVDs worth of distribution, and with blu-ray drives being too expensive and thus too niche for standard PC use, a lot of publishers are being backed into a corner. You'll notice the cost of the console versions is ~$10-20 (going by NZD here) higher than the PC version, some of that is licensing, some of it is disc printing. From my best educated guess, the bulk cost of printing blu-rays (which almost no-one could use) or a full DVD set for the PC wouldn't be able to recover costs and stay less than/equal to that of the console discs at this time. Yeah, I remember for a while, new PC games were usually $50 USD, while new console games (PS3 games at least) were $60. Recently, though, it seems like they're about the same price. I guess the other thing to hope for is that somebody comes up with a new media format that outclasses Blu-Ray, but doesn't require licensing (provided physical media isn't completely phased out by that point.) Getting back to FPS talk, what's the consensus about Final Doom? I've played through Doom (barring Thy Flesh Consumed and Doom 2 ), but I've never really bothered with Final Doom. I played the first couple of maps of TNT, and it seems okay. Plutonia seems like it's pretty hard just from playing the first map.
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fishmech posted:You can use less Discs with double sided dad's, but that raises the per disc cost quite a bit Wanna make fun of that typo, but I don't have anything witty to say. HOWEVER! Would anyone be interested in being able to play through Beyond Zero Tolerance (Genesis/Mega Drive) almost legitimately? Well, you're in luck! If you happen to own Golden Axe and have updated your Sega Genesis Classics Collection to the new version, look through the workshop for this mod that's pretty much a rom dump of the unreleased sequel to ZT. I played a bit, and might decide to finish it someday, since I don't have zero tolerance for these controls. Took a couple screenshots here: http://m.imgur.com/gallery/RdPAQzH http://m.imgur.com/gallery/Z9sJxdD I should probably blast Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness while playing, just like I did back in the day, for the original. 
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Max Wilco posted:I don't know if it's changed, but I heard cost was a big reason why Blu-Ray drives haven't become a standard for PCs. The fact you have to pay royalties to Sony to put media on Blu-Rays might also be a contributing factor. All I know is that I found it hilarious that the PC version GTA5 shipped on 7 DVDs, especially when you realize that Take-Two was doing the same thing about 20 years ago with FMV games like Ripper (6 discs) and Black Dahlia (8 discs). I can't remember what it was, but there was a game that had a CD-ROM version that had something like 12 discs for installation (I want to say it was Final Fantasy 11, but I can't find anything to confirm that.) Really, I think the biggest reason has to do with the fact that optical drives just aren't a requirement for most computers. Around the time Blu-ray drives were coming out was around the time where computers started phasing out optical drives. For example, you can't get a Mac with an optical drive anymore. Even the desktops. There just isn't a demand for most people. If you want software, you download it. If you really need an optical drive, you can get an external drive. So, what's the big benefit for Blu-ray then? It offers higher storage amounts, but with download, that means nothing. And given that most software assumes you have internet access, they can make it so they ship enough data on the disc for you to install, and then download the rest. So, if you're making software and doing a physical release, are you going to ship on blu-ray, or are you going to ship on DVD? You know that most people will be able to utilize the DVD, but only a small number could utilize the blu-ray. Also, one of the things that helped DVD drives too was the video portion. People could watch DVDs on their laptops, which was big if you were in college or travel a lot or whatever. And so, that was sort of the killer app to help make them standard. But Blu-rays just don't have that. Once again, if you're watching movies on your computer, you're more than likely using a digital file, and also, you don't benefit that much having a blu-ray on your computer compared to a DVD. And given that physical media sales are going down, once again, there just isn't an increase in demand. Licensing actually did play a part, but not on the software manufacturers part. One of the big reason Apple never included a Blu-ray drive was that getting all the license sorted out to watch the movies on the disc was a pain, and they didn't see a reason. Also the vertical integration with iTunes probably hurt too. I mean, why go out of your way to support something when you have a store that competes with Blu-ray? Once again, as the killer app for DVDs was video, not getting that figured out hurt the demand for drives in the long run. So a lack of demand means a lack of software. A lack of software means a lack of demand, which means less software gets released, which means there's less demand. Cemetry Gator fucked around with this message at 05:37 on May 11, 2016 |
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Cemetry Gator posted:Licensing actually did play a part, but not on the software manufacturers part. One of the big reason Apple never included a Blu-ray drive was that getting all the license sorted out to watch the movies on the disc was a pain, and they didn't see a reason. Steve Jobs famously called Blu-Ray a "bag of hurt" when someone asked him why it was taking so long to add to Macs.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Wanna make fun of that typo, but I don't have anything witty to say. drat, I remember playing the "first" Zero Tolerance. That tiny view area 
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