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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Ghostlight posted:

I hope his $1mil+ parachute is enough to cushion him from the personal costs of being directly responsible for multiple people leaving their long-standing jobs.

How do you even quantify the loss of nightline?

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Big Bad Beetleborg
Apr 8, 2007

Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

bring back ali ikram and his news rap roundups imho

The Rabbi T. White
Jul 17, 2008





http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/303009/mediaworks-ceo-mark-weldon-resigns

Embedded in the article: everyone hates Mark Weldon, apart from Rachel Glucina, who refers to him as "inspiring".

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
His outgoing legacy: a 24 hr reality tv channel whose founding principle was "Housewives watch that poo poo I guess". God speed you, poo poo emperor.

truther
Oct 22, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT THE BEARS
Apparently there will be six different versions of Real Housewives in the new channel lineup.

Unreal.

Bushmaori
Mar 8, 2009

truther posted:

Apparently there will be six different versions of Real Housewives in the new channel lineup.

Unreal.

Kill all humans.

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Does this mean Sam Hayes isn't gonna push us down the stairs?

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Bushmaori posted:

Kill all housewives.

Binkenstein
Jan 18, 2010

Back to your regularly scheduled Politics talk, Key's Lawyer is causing him problems: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/79453991/john-keys-lawyer-linked-to-sham-trust-involved-in-failed-auckland-property-development

Ivor Biggun
Apr 30, 2003

A big "Fuck You!" from the Keyhole nebula

Lipstick Apathy

I like this bit from the Herald article.

quote:

When asked during cross-examination if he had concerns around setting up structures to allow a bankrupt to continue in business, Mr Whitney told the court: "No, not particularly. It's a common thing for people to do. It may not be morally as white as it could be but it's normal practice."

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Good to see National's standards for ethics are the same as their ones for fresh water.

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
And prison

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
This is the first time I've seen 'National', 'Standard' and 'Ethics' together in one sentence.

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

This is getting H-Fee levels of wtf. Imagine if every MP was accountable for the work that finance or legal professionals that work for them did for their other clients. Are all MPs with an investments/Kiwisaver with Milford now under the spotlight because of the poo poo that went on there that they actually had nothing to do with?

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Key's lawyer's ethics is only an issue because Key used him as a get-of-free-jail card for the Panama Papers then refused to put the card on the bottom of the Community Chest on the basis that it was actually a really good card.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Butt Wizard posted:

This is getting H-Fee levels of wtf. Imagine if every MP was accountable for the work that finance or legal professionals that work for them did for their other clients. Are all MPs with an investments/Kiwisaver with Milford now under the spotlight because of the poo poo that went on there that they actually had nothing to do with?

If it comes to light that your lawyer is basically a criminal and you stick with them then yes, it's damning, particularly if you're the PM. And yes I also expect MPs invested in Milford to drop their shares too if they can. It's important to hold politicians to high moral standards, for obvious reasons.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/29/turnbull-rejects-new-zealand-offer-to-take-150-refugees-from-detention

What the flying gently caress

Taitale
Feb 19, 2011

If they come here they could go to Australia in a few years as NZ citizens.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Given what Australia did to them, why would they want to?

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



It's hard to justifiably blow up their parliament from here.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Where's puchu, surely this is where he comes in and tells us we just don't understand ratings and that Weldon hasn't done anything wrong, he's just responding to ratings?

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

WarpedNaba posted:

Given what Australia did to them, why would they want to?

They might have family there I guess, which makes it a somewhat valid argument if you're a backwards racist xenophobe

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

fong posted:

Where's puchu, surely this is where he comes in and tells us we just don't understand ratings and that Weldon hasn't done anything wrong, he's just responding to ratings?

Puchu just lost his job, and all his underlings are celebrating. Probably doesn't feel like posting tbh

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
TV3 used to market itself on great journalism

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.

친애하는 지도자

Butt Wizard
Nov 3, 2005

It was a pornography store. I was buying pornography.

fong posted:

If it comes to light that your lawyer is basically a criminal and you stick with them then yes, it's damning, particularly if you're the PM. And yes I also expect MPs invested in Milford to drop their shares too if they can. It's important to hold politicians to high moral standards, for obvious reasons.

I'm not sure it works in reverse. I would have thought it's a bit unreasonable to expect MPs to be across their lawyer's entire client base and know what they're doing for each and every one of them - especially when they can't legally tell them even if they do ask. I think the real acid test will be if Key switches lawyers in four or five months (it will take time for him get soundings about who can manage his affairs and make sure they're squeaky clean. Then you'll know that something was up with the guy he deals with now.

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

Key has been asked if he still has confidence in his lawyer and still thinks he acts in an ethical manner since this came to light. He replied and said that he did.

Although I guess he would want to have a new one lined up before hinting the old one was about to go.

Project M.A.M.I.L.
Apr 30, 2007

Older, balder, fatter...

Exclamation Marx posted:


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I don't even watch tv 3 or anything but holy loly this whole thing is hilarious. Some of the articles and editorials on the herald are great, just full take-downs and in-depth descriptions of some real corporate bullshit plus running Glucina's name through the mud again.

Edit: It's also funny because most of the time the herald front page has me thinking 'don't care, don't care, no-one cares, what the gently caress?' as I scroll the front page. Today I actually clicked some links!

Binkenstein
Jan 18, 2010

The problem with Key's Lawyer is Key has said he "only works with people who are highly ethical" yet either a) he's throwing the lawyer under the bus to protect himself if the lawyer *didn't* misrepresent things or b) he has a lawyer who will play the "I spoke to the PM" card to get a quote unquote junior minister to do what he wants. Throw all of this into the mix of the Panama Papers and at the very least Key works with & trusts a lawyer who is pretty unethical and trying to manipulate the Government to make himself more money.

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo
You'd think Mike would have sprung for something better than Coronas and Peroni to celebrate Wheldon's departure.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

El Pollo Blanco posted:

You'd think Mike would have sprung for something better than Coronas and Peroni to celebrate Wheldon's departure.



Quantity over Quality?

The Rabbi T. White
Jul 17, 2008





El Pollo Blanco posted:

You'd think Mike would have sprung for something better than Coronas and Peroni to celebrate Wheldon's departure.



They're of the age that consider that stuff Good Beer.

Ivor Biggun
Apr 30, 2003

A big "Fuck You!" from the Keyhole nebula

Lipstick Apathy

Varkk posted:

Key has been asked if he still has confidence in his lawyer and still thinks he acts in an ethical manner since this came to light. He replied and said that he did.

Although I guess he would want to have a new one lined up before hinting the old one was about to go.

According to NBR today Ken Whitney is no longer a lawyer.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/keys-lawyer-whitney-no-longer-lawyer-b-188627 (paywalled)

quote:

Key's lawyer, Whitney, no longer a practising lawyer
Pattrick Smellie Thursday May 5, 2016 6

The man routinely described as Prime Minister John Key's lawyer, Ken Whitney, is not in fact a practising lawyer anymore.

A central figure in the New Zealand fallout from the Panama Papers release, Mr Whitney gave up his practising certificate with the New Zealand Law Society in February, at the same time as he established Antipodes Group, a specialist foreign trust advisory firm, according to a detailed blog on the matter by former Reuters correspondent-turned-blogger Simon Louisson.

That was also confirmed in tomorrow's National Business Review print edition in a column by political commentator Matthew Hooton: "Key responsible for trust shemozzle."

The Standard blog written a fortnight ago, unchallenged by Mr Whitney and unreported until now quotes Whitney on his decision not to remain registered to practise law.

Asked by Louisson whether he was Key's lawyer, the Auckland-based businessman initially said: "Yes."

After some discussion, he amended this to: "I'm not calling myself a lawyer; Mr Key is."

Louisson went on to report that "later (Mr Whitney) conceded he was retired from legal practice, although he said he was a consultant with Alexander Dorrington Lawyers, the practice that bought Whitney's practice, Ross & Whitney, in February 2014, which he shared with Ian Ross."

Mr Whitney said he was aware he was not registered, with Alexander Dorrington doing most of the actual legal work on his advice, Louisson wrote.

"Asked if, given the publicity generated by the revelation that Mr Key had an account with Antipodes, which specialises in offshore trusts, that Mr Whitney did not have a responsibility to clarify the situation, Mr Whitney said: 'No, I didn't feel any need to comment'," The Standard article says.

Mr Key initially defended Mr Whitney's name-checking Mr Key in a letter last year to Revenue Minister Todd McClay, urging the government not to let Inland Revenue conduct a review of New Zealand's permissive foreign trust regime, which the Panama Papers release has highlighted.

Mr Key later said Whitney had misrepresented him in the letter but maintained his action in advising Mr Whitney to take the matter up with the relevant minister was appropriate and normal.

The Green and Labour parties are seeking to connect McClay's confirmation five months later that no investigation would occur to an implied instruction from Key in Whitney's letter.

Mr Key has described Mr Whitney as a long-time friend who had handled his private legal affairs for years and continues to manage his New Zealand-registered private blind trust, Aldgate.

Companies Office records show Messrs Whitney and Ross are directors of scores of firms, many with offshore owners.

Meanwhile, Transparency International says it is "extremely surprised and disappointed at the limited scope of the Shewan inquiry" into New Zealand's foreign trust law settings, which allow the country's global reputation for high integrity to be exploited by foreign interests seeking to shelter funds from income tax in their own countries.

Former PwC New Zealand chairman and tax expert John Shewan has been appointed to undertake a review that Transparency International says should go beyond foreign trusts "to tackle the broader spectrum of financial crime risks associated with New Zealand companies and trusts."

Government agencies had already done work in this area and it was important that New Zealand entities not be used to disguise such financial crimes as "money-laundering and ill-gotten asset transfers and other forms of international corruption."

Jacobin
Feb 1, 2013

by exmarx
The proper legal term for an unemployed/legally qualified but not holding a practicing certificate 'lawyer' is an enrolled barrister and solicitor of the High Court of New Zealand. Unless Mr Whitney has been struck off the roll that is what he would continue to be indefinitely.

I am frustrated Mr Whitney is not opting to use this term as many people I know and myself who have been admitted were educated strongly to remember to not provide a misleading description and to actively distinguish ourselves from those with current practicing certificates.


The entire point of insisting on a mouthy and ancient sounding 10 word title is to make it clear you are not currently paid-up to do the "real deal work" and not currently a "real lawyer". A foreigner would likely assume or believe that he has a practicing certificate but then again that isn't necessarily his issue.

If you don't hold a practicing certificate then you aren't able to provide legal advice as it is legislatively defined and if he has been providing legal advice since February that is an issue.

Jacobin fucked around with this message at 16:34 on May 5, 2016

Solus
May 31, 2011

Drongos.
My homeless mate Dan was back in the Auckland CBD today :smith: but I am glad he is okay :unsmith:

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Should've reported him to the cops so they can move him along out of sight as is good and proper.

Binkenstein
Jan 18, 2010

Hah

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11636819

quote:

The blogger who was infamously hacked and then exposed in Dirty Politics has himself admitted hiring someone to illegally access the computer files of opponents.

Whale Oil's Cameron Slater has been granted diversion by police for attempting to hire Ben Rachinger for $5000 to get into the left wing "The Standard" blog. Instead of being convicted and sentenced, he has arranged to do 40 hours work for the children's charity Kidscan.

NZAmoeba
Feb 14, 2005

It turns out it's MAN!
Hair Elf

How can you get diversion when he's already been convicted of crimes before? (Contempt of court over breaching name suppression, right?)

Moongrave
Jun 19, 2004

Finally Living Rent Free

Oh yeah get a right wing weirdo to do work with and for children, that'll end well.

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Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



You don't need a clean slate to get diversion.


It's nice the lawyer said he shouldn't get name suppression because a hypothetical cooling of 'investors' is not "extreme hardship" and also, Your Honour, he's a hypocritical dick.

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